Hiker is stalked for several days by 'Bigfoot' in Oregon

[Guyver]

13 bats.  Nevermind.  I’m sorry I ever said anything to you.  It’s obvious that you can’t discuss this topic like an adult. Nevermind.  I won’t bother trying to address any of your points, and please extend me the same courtesy.  I know you are an active member of this forum.  Namaste.

[the13bats]

3 minutes ago, Guyver said:

13 Bats.  Please.  Out of respect for yourself as a human being, do not use the weird smiley again?!  I’m asking you.  Come up with something.  Some clever retort, some science, IDK….anything but the weird smiley.  It makes you look like a moron.  I mean, from my perspective.  I’m not speaking for anyone else.  To me, you look like an idiot when you use that smiley because it seems that you are working with junior high tactics….like passing notes and spreading gossip.

Nice, you stop thinking and resort to childish name calling while trying to dictate others actions, talk about an ego driven narcissist, if you dont like my posting style stop crying and calling me names and ignore me.

In the meantime hit up the forum owner and let him know how you feel about his emojis on his forum.

Oh, and post your videos and evidence this is a BF thread not a thread for you to cry about  posting styles that upset you.

[the13bats]

3 minutes ago, Guyver said:

13 bats.  Nevermind.  I’m sorry I ever said anything to you.  It’s obvious that you can’t discuss this topic like an adult. Nevermind.  I won’t bother trying to address any of your points, and please extend me the same courtesy.  I know you are an active member of this forum.  Namaste.

Yes, you are being very mature...but i will ignore you until you address me again,

Edited January 19, 2022 by the13bats

[Guyver]

I’m the one who stops thinking?  OMG.  Whatever dude.

[the13bats]

3 minutes ago, Guyver said:

I’m the one who stops thinking?  OMG.  Whatever dude.

What happened to...

6 minutes ago, Guyver said:

13 bats.  Nevermind.  I’m sorry I ever said anything to you.  It’s obvious that you can’t discuss this topic like an adult. Nevermind.  I won’t bother trying to address any of your points, and please extend me the same courtesy.  I know you are an active member of this forum.  Namaste.

Hopefully you can move on,

Post your Bigfoot pix and videos your physical evidence of BF get back to the threads topic, if you can.

[Guyver]

3 minutes ago, the13bats said:

What happened to...

Hopefully you can move on,

Post your Bigfoot pix and videos your physical evidence of BF get back to the threads topic, if you can.

Tired canard.  You know you wouldn’t accept a trail cam photo even if there is a good one.  And, I’ve seen what appears to be a good one recently.  But, nevermind, you’re right.  We have nothing to discuss.

[the13bats]

14 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Tired canard.  You know you wouldn’t accept a trail cam photo even if there is a good one.  And, I’ve seen what appears to be a good one recently.  But, nevermind, you’re right.  We have nothing to discuss.

You also posted....

1 hour ago, Guyver said:

There are and have been some interesting video captures to consider since the Patterson/Gimlin film footage, including recent ones

And i asked you several times to post it but you do all kinds of side stepping and hand waving if you post it ill be delighted to check it out,

 

 

[Guyver]

For interested readers, my interest in the sasquatch phenomenon led me to a place called “Indian Heaven Wilderness,” you may google it for yourself.  Based upon our research at the time and the best available evidence, myself and a research partner agreed this was our most favorable location.  We went there, hiked in, loved it, but found no evidence of sasquatch.  It wasn’t until we approached a place boardering an elk preserve near skookum meadows we had success.  It is the reason I joined this forum way back when, we had an encounter.  I spoke of it then.

We had set out bait traps but had no trail cams back then.  We placed bait and returned to camp before sunset.  Just as darkness was falling, we heard something moving up the creek about 75 yards from our camp.  Whatever it was made it’s way up the creak so fast, and when it became what seemed equidistant from our camp and the creek, it let out a roar.  The sound was quite remarkable.  Although we were armed with good weapons, had low light binoculars, good video cameras for the time, and great spotlights, neither one of us headed for that sound.  It was that scary.  We waited until the next morning and we looked for tracks.  That’s when we found sasquatch tracks out in the middle of nowhere.  FWIW.

[Resume]

4 hours ago, Guyver said:

How so?

You don't understand the difference between a phenomenon described (and discovered) by theoretical physics and a phenomenon that should be evidenced (but isn't) through biological discovery?

Really?

Edited January 19, 2022 by Resume

[Resume]

2 hours ago, Guyver said:

For interested readers, my interest in the sasquatch phenomenon led me to a place called “Indian Heaven Wilderness,” you may google it for yourself.  Based upon our research at the time and the best available evidence, myself and a research partner agreed this was our most favorable location.  We went there, hiked in, loved it, but found no evidence of sasquatch.  It wasn’t until we approached a place boardering an elk preserve near skookum meadows we had success.  It is the reason I joined this forum way back when, we had an encounter.  I spoke of it then.

We had set out bait traps but had no trail cams back then.  We placed bait and returned to camp before sunset.  Just as darkness was falling, we heard something moving up the creek about 75 yards from our camp.  Whatever it was made it’s way up the creak so fast, and when it became what seemed equidistant from our camp and the creek, it let out a roar.  The sound was quite remarkable.  Although we were armed with good weapons, had low light binoculars, good video cameras for the time, and great spotlights, neither one of us headed for that sound.  It was that scary.  We waited until the next morning and we looked for tracks.  That’s when we found sasquatch tracks out in the middle of nowhere.  FWIW.

How did you document your discovery so others may duplicate?  You know, science.

What sort of follow up did you do since you had success?  Did you share your findings with other bigfoot enthusiasts so they might replicate your findings?  Why didn't you follow up on the sounds?  Because it sounds to me like a typical "ghost hunt" where the only spooks are the ones who are spooked.

Do you see why anecdotes are such poor evidence?  The only thing we can learn from yours is that though there are myriad bigfoot stories, there is no way to verify or falsify them.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Resume

[the13bats]

2 hours ago, Guyver said:

That’s when we found sasquatch tracks out in the middle of nowhere

Um no, you didnt, you claim you found tracks which are unkown and until you find an owner of the foot that made these alleged tracks they mean nothing as far as proving bigfoot exists, in fact you havent proven anything more than telling another story.

Of course in the name of research and science you documented these tracks with both pictures and casts, so please share those pictures.

 

[the13bats]

56 minutes ago, Resume said:

How did you document your discovery so others may duplicate?  You know, science.

What sort of follow up did you do since you had success?  Did you share your findings with other bigfoot enthusiasts so they might replicate your findings?  Why didn't you follow up on the sounds?  Because it sounds to me like a typical "ghost hunt" where the only spooks are the ones who are spooked.

Do you see why anecdotes are such poor evidence?  The only thing we can learn from yours is that though there are myriad bigfoot stories, there is no way to verify or falsify them.

Im not concerned with proving stories as false since without supporting proof its just a story, a dead end.

I have heard a few too many tales include how some BF or ghost hunter got so scare they bout wet their pants and ran and hid from maybe finding proof of the very reason they are out there. What a cop out crock.

Even the infamous gimlin and patterson hoax they make zero efforts of tracking the alleged creature into the woods. ( they knew it was a man in a suit ).

Now the monster hunter i respect was that elderly lady who said if she encountered in her case a chupa she would go try to grab it and feel it, her words "see what its made of" , not be scared of it.

Lets see the excuses for no documentation of the alleged tracks.

Edited January 19, 2022 by the13bats

[Resume]

I was speaking of falsifying in the scientific sense that the story cannot be contradicted with any sort of test and thus is useless.  Now, one can apply a bull **** meter to anecdotes . . . 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Resume

[the13bats]

37 minutes ago, Resume said:

I was speaking of falsifying in the scientific sense that the story cannot be contradicted with any sort of test and thus is useless.  Now, one can apply a bull **** meter to anecdotes . . . 

Because of my mental nervious problems i startle easy, it sucks but i recover quick, i grew out of being scared of the dark,

I just cant grasp how a person can go hunting xxxx and then right when they might have it chicken out and run off,

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

3 hours ago, Resume said:

I was speaking of falsifying in the scientific sense that the story cannot be contradicted with any sort of test and thus is useless.  Now, one can apply a bull **** meter to anecdotes . . . 

Yeah but you really can't complain, Resume. You know the lay of the land at UM.
When you post in here about BigFoot, the stories are almost exclusively anecdotal and are here for entertainment purposes. It never changes.

Proof...?  Taint happening.

[the13bats]

12 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Yeah but you really can't complain, Resume. You know the lay of the land at UM.
When you post in here about BigFoot, the stories are almost exclusively anecdotal and are here for entertainment purposes. It never changes.

Proof...?  Taint happening.

Some believers make claims of having more than just empty stories some claim pics or video others even claim phisical evidence but when asked or even begged for them to post it all they do is make lame excuses turn to smoke and mirrors and insults to derail.

Edited January 19, 2022 by the13bats

[Myles]

4 hours ago, the13bats said:

Um no, you didnt, you claim you found tracks which are unkown and until you find an owner of the foot that made these alleged tracks they mean nothing as far as proving bigfoot exists, in fact you havent proven anything more than telling another story.

Of course in the name of research and science you documented these tracks with both pictures and casts, so please share those pictures.

 

Certainly a large hairy creature would leave hairs where the footprints are found.   Wooded areas have bristles all over.  

Edited January 19, 2022 by Myles

[the13bats]

Just now, Myles said:

Certainly a large hairy creature would leave hairs where the footprints are found.   Wooded area have bristles all over.  

Of course it would, you should see my shower drain but when these people report seeing an alleged BF or tracks they dont seem to ever folliw thru its really weird.

[Myles]

2 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Of course it would, you should see my shower drain but when these people report seeing an alleged BF or tracks they dont seem to ever folliw thru its really weird.

If they really thought they were in the location a bigfoot passed through, they would collect hairs.  They never do, so I don't believe their stories.  

It's an even bigger red flag against the people who claim to have found "nests" or bigfoot structures.  Certainly if a large hairy animal had been resting in a place, there would be hairs all over.

[Resume]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Yeah but you really can't complain, Resume. You know the lay of the land at UM.
When you post in here about BigFoot, the stories are almost exclusively anecdotal and are here for entertainment purposes. It never changes.

Proof...?  Taint happening.

Who's talking about proofs; we're not talking mathmatics here, we're discussing evidence for footie-foo-foo and anecdotes are the poorest evidence.  Unexplained doesn't mean unexplainable, but anecdotes by their very nature have no explanatory power.

Edited January 19, 2022 by Resume

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

3 hours ago, Resume said:

Who's talking about proofs; we're not talking mathmatics here, we're discussing evidence for footie-foo-foo and anecdotes are the poorest evidence.  Unexplained doesn't mean unexplainable, but anecdotes by their very nature have no explanatory power.

I wish I had a $dollar every time I saw a response to a post start with a *complaint* that the original poster did not supply proof! HA! 

Ok, moving on now. I'll be in my office 

[stereologist]

17 hours ago, Guyver said:

Anyway, during this intermission, I will tell a “story” for all the skeptics out there who revel in their convictions, it’s the story of a hippie who left society in the late 60’s to go live off the land and grow his own food plus marijanewanna with his “old lady” who was actually young and beautiful.  So convinced were they in their position, after a few years off of surviving from fish in the river, growing their own vegetables and marijuana at a time when it was not legal, and that money they earned bought their supplies so they could live in the middle of the woods totally alone dozens of miles from the remotest of civilization.

This man shared the account of his encounter with a sasquatch when he was stalked and the results of what occurred afterward when his girlfriend/wife was also threatened…..it made him leave the forest.  And this is only one of hundreds of similar stories, so easily dismissed by skeptics because they don’t know the people.  There is a difference between a credible witness and a nut job.

During the time when I investigated this phenomenon myself, I actually met a man, who had a different but similar encounter in that he was a hunter.  And he went out every year to get elk for his family and they lived off fish from the river when he was young.  They were near St. Helens.  Anyway, I was in the bush looking for tracks and trying to film a real sasquatch, and a rain storm hit.  Long story short, the closest town was Cougar Washington.  We went there and stayed to ride out the storm and got the story from the owner of the campground/lodge.  He told quite a tale…I’ll send it on the next post in case people are tired of reading or want to skip it.

There is a difference between a story and evidence.

Any nut job can tell a story

[Resume]

2 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

I wish I had a $dollar every time I saw a response to a post start with a *complaint* that the original poster did not supply proof! HA! 

Ok, moving on now. I'll be in my office 

You're the one who brought up proof.

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Proof...?  Taint happening.

 

[stereologist]

So all we got is people that are suckers for tall tales.

Let's take a look at this statement

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Just because something hasn’t been verified by science doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.  That’s how.  Black holes were thought to exist long before their existence was verified.

Why? Because we need to show how misguided this statement is.

Why did scientists think black holes existed? They had a theory and people examining that theory showed that there were possible outcomes in extreme situations which needed to be checked. It's not a case of someone hearing a knock in the woods and deciding this sound had to be assigned to an unknown wampahoofis. No one made an observation in a telescope and said, "weird, I bet that's a black hole, let's take another look." Theory made a prediction and scientists found other thing suggestive of nearly as extreme conditions. Finally the objects of interest were observed.

But look at big foot. There is NO scientific theory. There is no theory predicting a BF. There are no intermediate observations.

All we have are stories and stories are not of much use.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

1 hour ago, Resume said:

You're the one who brought up proof.

 

Obviously,, Resume, the context implies I am responding to another poster's solicitation of same. 

I don't know about you but I don't go to UM expecting to find proof of anything