About 1/5 of adult Aussies think Jesus is fictional or mythical

[Dreamer screamer]

6 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

I get you aren't too bright but what are you failing to understand?  Translation is not necessarily the same as adding.  BTW Romans 13 is not the Book of Revelation.

When you go to court you place one hand on the bible, where else do you swear on the bible???  I've had to do it myself when I went to court but never knew as I was a young child at the time.  But it would of been the kjv bible.  

So we talk about fictions.   Why if jesus is so forgiving do we have courts in the first place??? 

I doubt you will be able to answer this one, so let the rambling idiot tell you.

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by Dreamer screamer

[Dreamer screamer]

7 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

I get you aren't too bright but what are you failing to understand?  Translation is not necessarily the same as adding.  BTW Romans 13 is not the Book of Revelation.

What?  That is blatantly Adding, NOT translation.  

[Dreamer screamer]

42 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

I get you aren't too bright but what are you failing to understand?  Translation is not necessarily the same as adding.  BTW Romans 13 is not the Book of Revelation.

Submit to Government   NKJV

13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

KJV

13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

² Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

So where is GOVERNMENT?  in kjv???  higher powers?   Government hold no authority because they operate under and in the capacity of PERSONS.

2:9 But if all of you have respect to persons, all of you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

transgressor

noun

  formal

a person who breaks a law or moral rule:

 

So the Government who operate in PERSON and where not one of the people in Britain has a contract with the Government, can make up any law they want against the constitution, moral code (covid - 19) mandates are not LAW!!!   So the NKJV submit to Government and all of their law breaking and immoral laws they bring out because we all know they the people have to consent as the Governed of their PERSON.

 

So this idiot is still trying to grasp, is it an add on or a translation???   Government just appears out of no where.  abracabadbra.  ?

 

 

[Dreamer screamer]

One thing through the journey of reading this and that is if the bible and christianity are not worth the paper it is printed on, why does the system fear it so much to the point as I have shown where even the 1611 bible has to be changed.

Why would they of wanted Britain to join the EU which is blantanly made up, and why would they of wanted Britain a christian country under the common law to join the EU?

Makes on wonder what is fiction and not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems

The following map would show Australia, Britain and America as common law countries.   The rest of the blue are civil law.

https://legaldictionary.net/civil-law/

Definition of Civil Law

1. Noun. The body of laws that govern ordinary private matters, separate from laws presiding over criminal, military, or political matters.
2. Noun. The body of law that governs private or civil rights, providing redress for wrongs by compensating the person or entity that has been wronged rather than punishing the wrongdoer.

civil law

n.

1.

a. The body of law of a state or nation governing the behavior of individuals and corporations.

 

2. The law of ancient Rome as embodied in the Justinian code, especially that which applied to private citizens.

3. A system of law having its origin in Roman law, as opposed to common law or canon law.

 

So in a civil law Britain would of been under corporate law and considering we are PERSON as corporation.     We would of become private Citizens under Roman law. 

 

2. (Law) the body of law in force in ancient Rome, esp the law applicable to private citizens

 

Ancient rome???

 

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/civil+law

Civil Law

A body of rules that delineate private rights and remedies, and govern disputes between individuals in such areas as contracts, property, and Family Law; distinct from criminal or public law. Civil law systems, which trace their roots to ancient Rome, are governed by doctrines developed and compiled by legal scholars. Legislators and administrators in civil law countries use these doctrines to fashion a code by which all legal controversies are decided.

So the bible clearly states: james 2

2:9 But if all of you have respect to persons, all of you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

PERSONS = Corporation or human being with human rights that are given by inalienable rights.    Why would these rights be given by man?

So when we come to religion and to determine was jesus a fiction or myth, I get the feeling he could of been real because they can't seem to get rid of this pesky man and christianity.   Like I said, if Britain joined the EU:

EU citizens have the legal protections of EU law^.

^{But as a common law country, we have the right to not contract as we are governed by CONSENT!!  we chose to contract.  If Britain went into the EU we would have to follow orders made by those that created the legal law and this is blatanly a dictatorship under Citizenship.}

^{A dictator:} : one holding complete autocratic control : a person with unlimited governmental power

Sounds like a dictatorship making the Citizenship under complete control by the civil law.   Thank gould Brexit was 52%.  

 

[Dreamer screamer]

https://ppp.worldbank.org/public-private-partnership/legislation-regulation/framework-assessment/legal-systems/common-vs-civil-law

Common Law System

Countries following a common law system are typically those that were former British colonies or protectorates, including the United States.

Features of a common law system include:

• There is not always a written constitution or codified laws;        

• Judicial decisions are binding – decisions of the highest court can generally only be overturned by that same court or through legislation;

• Extensive freedom of contract - few provisions are implied into the contract by law (although provisions seeking to protect private consumers may be implied);

• Generally, everything is permitted that is not expressly prohibited by law.

A common law system is less prescriptive than a civil law system. A government may therefore wish to enshrine protections of its citizens in specific legislation related to the infrastructure program being contemplated. For example, it may wish to prohibit the service provider from cutting off the water or electricity supply of bad payers or may require that documents related to the transaction be disclosed under a freedom of information act. There may also be legal requirements to imply into a contract in equal bargaining provisions where one party is in a much stronger bargaining position than the other. Please see Legislation and Regulation for more on this.

There are few provisions implied into a contract under the common law system – it is therefore important to set out ALL the terms governing the relationship between the parties to a contract in the contract itself. This will often result in a contract being longer than one in a civil law country.

The Constitutions are not codified which is true and why they need CONSENT of the governed. This is where the contract is on principles of law.

freedom of contract!  Very true... The people choose to contract and to whom they contract with.  

Government mandates are not law, but principles (noun) and need contracting too.  People assume rules are to be folllowed from government, show the contract you have with the Government.  You can't!

 

Civil Law System

Countries following a civil law system are typically those that were former French, Dutch, German, Spanish or Portuguese colonies or protectorates, including much of Central and South America. Most of the Central and Eastern European and East Asian countries also follow a civil law structure.

The civil law system is a codified system of law. It takes its origins from Roman law. Features of a civil law system include:

• There is generally a written constitution based on specific codes (e.g., civil code, codes covering corporate law, administrative law, tax law and constitutional law) enshrining basic rights and duties; administrative law is however usually less codified and administrative court judges tend to behave more like common law judges;

• Only legislative enactments are considered binding for all. There is little scope for judge-made law in civil, criminal and commercial courts, although in practice judges tend to follow previous judicial decisions; constitutional and administrative courts can nullify laws and regulations and their decisions in such cases are binding for all.

• In some civil law systems, e.g., Germany, writings of legal scholars have significant influence on the courts;

• Courts specific to the underlying codes – there are therefore usually separate constitutional court, administrative court and civil court systems that opine on consistency of legislation and administrative acts with and interpret that specific code;

• Less freedom of contract - many provisions are implied into a contract by law and parties cannot contract out of certain provisions.

A civil law system is generally more prescriptive than a common law system. However, a government will still need to consider whether specific legislation is required to either limit the scope of a certain restriction to allow a successful infrastructure project, or may require specific legislation for a sector. Please go to Legislation and Regulation and “Organizing Government to think PPP” sections for more information on this.

There are a number of provisions implied into a contract under the civil law system – less importance is generally placed on setting out ALL the terms governing the relationship between the parties to a contract in the contract itself as inadequacies or ambiguities can be remedied or resolved by operation of law. This will often result in a contract being shorter than one in a common law country.

It is also important to note in the area of infrastructure that certain forms of infrastructure projects are referred to by well-defined legal concepts in civil law jurisdictions. Concessions and Affermage have a definite technical meaning and structure to them that may not be understood or applied in a common law country. Care should be taken, therefore, in applying these terms loosely. This is further considered under Agreements.

A codified system of law where "contracts under seal are valid without a consideration"  https://dictionary.thelaw.com/consideration/

There is no meeting of mind in a codified legal system.  More like a dictatorship.

Less freedom of contract?  In a common law country we choose all our contracts whether we do or don't contract, more freedom!!!  BREXIT  again 52% wanted freedom, not a Dictatorship!

Feature	Common Law	Civil Law
Written constitution	Not always	Always???????????????

 

 

[Dreamer screamer]

https://www.iclr.co.uk/knowledge/topics/the-english-legal-system/

Civil law

Civil law may be defined in opposition to three alternatives.

1. Civil as opposed to criminal law.
2. Civil in the sense of secular law, as opposed to ecclesiastical or other forms of religious law.
3. Civil law as a legal system, based on a code of laws (such as the Code Napoleon developed in France), as opposed to the common law system, based on the doctrine of precedent.

Precedent: b. Law A judicial decision that is binding on other equal or lower courts in the same jurisdiction as to its conclusion on a point of law, and may also be persuasive to courts in other jurisdictions, in subsequent cases involving sufficiently similar facts.

 

Halsbury law admin states these courts are illegal in Britain, so why are we seeking an answer from one judge when we should be conducting our own affairs under the common law or jury of 12 in a dejure court. 

 

A civil jury is a group of citizens who, along with a judge, hear a matter of civil law. At the conclusion of the trial, the jurors decide whether or not the case has merit, and if they believe that the person who brought suit is in the right, they can award damages. Civil juries can contain between six and 12 people, depending on the case and the jurisdiction.

 

Depending on jurisdiction!!   So as jesus said, he forgives all, but the legislation might not be so forgiving written by man as PERSON!

 

 

[Rlyeh]

3 hours ago, Dreamer screamer said:

So where is GOVERNMENT?  in kjv???  higher powers?   Government hold no authority because they operate under and in the capacity of PERSONS.

Peter disagrees with you.

KJV 1 Peter 2
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

 

3 hours ago, Dreamer screamer said:

So this idiot is still trying to grasp, is it an add on or a translation???

Why doesn't the idiot bother to find out the original Greek word used?

 

[Dreamer screamer]

46 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

Peter disagrees with you.

KJV 1 Peter 2
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

 

Why doesn't the idiot bother to find out the original Greek word used?

 

Because I am using English which is how it appears in the bible.    

sub·mitv.

1. To yield or surrender (oneself) to the will or authority of another.

 

Man under OATH has to submit to the authority to Government.  

 

Government:

7. Administration or management of an organization, business, or institution.

 

It really is as simple as the definitions prove.  When in a court and one is handed a NKJV you automatically handed over your authotity to the judge and jurisdiction as PERSON!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rlyeh]

1 minute ago, Dreamer screamer said:

Because I am using English which is how it appears in the bible.    

You do realise Romans wasn't written in English?

The word used in Romans 13 is "exousiais" which means powers or authorities.

[Dreamer screamer]

1 hour ago, Rlyeh said:

You do realise Romans wasn't written in English?

You do realise that what we see with our eyes with:

Submit to Government

Is an add on made out of thin air.  

Submit to Government

13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities.

2.

soul - a human being

For there is no authority except from God

So God appoints authority?  where is this God? if he can change the bible, surely I can meet this God?

and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

So Government was appointed by God?   Authorities are a man made idea.  Statutes and ACTS are mans laws, NOT god's law. FACT!!

Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God,

So what is God going to do if one doesn't submit to authority of God with NO CONTRACT!! in a common law country?

and those who resist will ^[a]bring judgment on themselves. 

Judgement when there is no contract????

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority?

Can't see in a common law country with no consent to Authority how I can be afraid of Authority.   Bit weird!!!

Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.⁴ For he is God’s minister to you for good.

Boris Johnston is a God's minister for good???   So god must of let him party then?   Boris: "God can I have a party please??"

But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister,

I think you'll find the government have no contract with the people, and the people have no fiduciary contract with the Government.   Only slaves put an x on the ballot paper as slaves with no contract.

an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

That is Boris screwed then.

⁵ Therefore you must be subject,

sub·ject adj.

1. Being in a position or in circumstances that place one under the power or authority of another or others: subject to the law.

 

Don't think I will consent.

Quote

not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. ⁶ For because of this you also pay taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Pay taxes?   laughable!!!   where is the law that states man should pay taxes????    Provide evidence please.

, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. ⁷ Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

 

1 hour ago, Rlyeh said:

The word used in Romans 13 is "exousiais" which means powers or authorities.

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.   taken from romans 13 KJV

Definition of higher power

: a spirit or being (such as God) that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people    

Now my eyes are bad, but I can't see Government in that definition.

lets try another.

https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/higher+power

Higher Power is a term used in Alcoholics Anonymous (AA)

Might need that later on in life.

The term has been cited as found in the King James version of the Bible, again in the plural form, in Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God." However, in this passage Saint Paul is referring to civil authorities such as kings and governments, rather than a spiritual power.

So saint paul is referring to the civil authorities such as kings and governments. 

Since the queen /king in Britain have a seperation of power it is clear the NKJV interpretation "submit to Governent" has clearly come down the line of two, kings or Governments and decided to state Government, which there is no contract with Government and people, and never will be unless people contract with the Government, so this is clearly a choice.   so "Submit to government" has cleary been made up out of thin air. 

Clearly people have no idea of the bible and what the difference is, so are never told this if they have to swear on the bible in court.  However, if they do have to swear, they are being deceived by "submit to government" putting them into the jurisdiction of statutes and acts; man's law and not to God as in the spiritual power.    DECEPTION is the name of the game.

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by Dreamer screamer

[Dreamer screamer]

Peter disagrees with you.

Quote

KJV 1 Peter 2
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

constituions limited the power of the kings and queens.

Lord supreme couldn't even reverse Brexit legally.

Quote

14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

That is down to jurisdiction. 

 

Quote

15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

The will of God?  in what jurisdiction?

Quote

16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

Liberty = citizenship servants to god... I won't go there.

Quote

17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Well we can't do that in Britain because again there is a seperation of power.  Clearly Brexit won with the people as beneficiaries whom got 52% of the vote.  The queen had to honour men and women in the voting process under a democracy, under the Constitution.

[Rlyeh]

11 hours ago, Dreamer screamer said:

Peter disagrees with you.

Sorry idiot, but Peter is saying to submit to the government.

[Rlyeh]

11 hours ago, Dreamer screamer said:

You do realise that what we see with our eyes with:

Yet you've never used your brain.

 

11 hours ago, Dreamer screamer said:

So Government was appointed by God?   Authorities are a man made idea.  Statutes and ACTS are mans laws, NOT god's law. FACT!!

For someone who quotes the Bible so much I would've thought you'd know it states God appoints leaders.

What exactly is your argument here?  

[Dreamer screamer]

1 hour ago, Rlyeh said:

Sorry idiot, but Peter is saying to submit to the government.

Jew peter?   Submit to government = higher powers.    WHY! in a common law country do we have to do this?  It's called choice!!

[Dreamer screamer]

1 hour ago, Rlyeh said:

Yet you've never used your brain.

1 hour ago, Rlyeh said:

 

For someone who quotes the Bible so much I would've thought you'd know it states God appoints leaders.

What exactly is your argument here?  

God?   So god writes books?  yet where is he?  he alters the bible and can't be seen??

I'm not arguing anything, I never argue, I just see the facts and use dictionaries for definition.  Not complicated.

NKJV has specifed a direction where if you don't pay taxes and submit to Government as God, God has stated in the bible it is a bad thing.   Yet Government are man made laws with statutes and Acts.  Man has to consent to these laws.    Law of the land and law of the sea are two jurisdictions.  Admiralty law = law of the sea and needs the PERSON to consent to those principles.

2:9 But if all of you have respect to persons, all of you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Laws are nouns with principles. 

Robert peel created 10 principles of law, yet they are Nouns.   Nothing binds them to man. No contract!!!

I mean if I walked into Mc donalds as a customer and the manager told me as an order or even requested that I clear a table, where is the contract that I work for Mc donalds?  In fact who is Mc donalds?

It is just an entity someone created out of mind and has no power.  It can't take me to court because I said 'no' Can Mc donalds write, and hold a pen?

God in the bible states what one must do, yet if I don't do it, is God going to take me to court???

According to you, God will take me to court.  I would love to see this.    If I have no contract then where is the proof I should of performed this task?   Can't just state something as fact when there is no proof.

 

 

 

[Dreamer screamer]

Quote

God appoints leaders.

Two pictures where God chose these people in them to lead two common law countries.  Of all the people in the world....Hmmmmmm

So this God appoints leaders right?  Ok... you clearly use your brain, so can you explain this to me how it works. 

How does God appoint people who all know each other and go to the same school and place.  

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Dreamer screamer

[Dreamer screamer]

So God appoints us as human beings to pay taxes and submit to government, but why oh why does the government do this?     Why does god need so much money which is man made.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/human-rights-act-reform-a-modern-bill-of-rights

Consultation description

The government is committed to updating the Human Rights Act 1998. This consultation seeks views on the government’s proposals to revise the Human Rights Act and replace it with a Bill of Rights, in order to restore a proper balance between the rights of individuals, personal responsibility and the wider public interest.

it is like nothing is sacred anymore, just upgrades and more upgrades.  God likes upgrading? are we robots or something?

[eight bits]

@Dreamer screamer

What does any of this have to do with the topic of this thread?

If you have something to share about how 1 Peter relates to admirality law, then start your own thread.

Please.

[Dreamer screamer]

32 minutes ago, eight bits said:

@Dreamer screamer

What does any of this have to do with the topic of this thread?

If you have something to share about how 1 Peter relates to admirality law, then start your own thread.

Please.

Was jesus a fiction?   Well where do you think all these laws come from?  Did jesus create laws?  All this is to do with the bible, jesus and law.  It all relates.   If you don't think it does, are you just after yes and no answers?    Jesus was a myth?.  yes or no?     

All these people i put up in the thread support Jesus and christianity and support the idea of Jesus, so I am just showing the greater picture of jesus being fiction or not.  

 

[eight bits]

8 minutes ago, Dreamer screamer said:

Was jesus a fiction?

A recent survey found about 20% of Australian adults think so. Any thoughts you have on that topic are welcome here.

Quote

Well where do you think all these laws come from?  Did jesus create laws?  All this is to do with the bible, jesus and law.  It all relates.   If you don't think it does, are you just after yes and no answers?    Jesus was a myth?.  yes or no?     

No, it doesn't relate. Hence my request that you take it elsewhere. My next request will be addressed to a moderator.

Edited February 6, 2022 by eight bits

[Rlyeh]

1 hour ago, Dreamer screamer said:

I'm not arguing anything, I never argue, I just see the facts and use dictionaries for definition.  Not complicated.

Yet you can't accept the fact that the Bible states God appoints leaders.  Sounds like denial.

[Rlyeh]

2 hours ago, Dreamer screamer said:

Jew peter?   Submit to government = higher powers.    WHY! in a common law country do we have to do this?  It's called choice!!

KJV 1 Peter 2:13-17 doesn't use the term higher powers.  I'm not going to play word games with you.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Just an observation folks, its neither kind or helpful to humour the mentally ill by engaging with their delusions. Its a kind of affirmation of their illness.

 

Br Cornelius

[Dreamer screamer]

1 hour ago, eight bits said:

A recent survey found about 20% of Australian adults think so. Any thoughts you have on that topic are welcome here.

No, it doesn't relate. Hence my request that you take it elsewhere. My next request will be addressed to a moderator.

All these laws and pointing leaders, pay taxes, by God, yet we have never seen jesus..   Yet jesus turned the tables of the money lenders in the church.  So all what was opposed by jesus, God allows. 

[Dreamer screamer]

28 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

Just an observation folks, its neither kind or helpful to humour the mentally ill by engaging with their delusions. Its a kind of affirmation of their illness.

 

Br Cornelius

One flew over the cuckoo's nest springs to mind.  Who were the crazies????