Dr Robert Malone interview on Joe Rogan podcast

[RavenHawk]

https://rumble.com/vrv7k1-dr.-robert-malone-on-joe-rogans-podcast.html

 

What I find interesting is that the media (as usual) twisted what Malone said, and claimed that Malone says that the US is like Nazi Germany.  That's not what he said.  He was referring to Mass Formation Psychosis.  MFP as Malone states it is “When you have a society that has become decoupled from each other and has free-floating anxiety in a sense that things don’t make sense, we can’t understand it, and then their attention gets focused by a leader or series of events on one small point just like hypnosis, they literally become hypnotized and can be led anywhere.”  This explains how any leader can mislead a people and as an example of how highly educated and intelligent the German people of the 20s and 30s were and yet, they fell for the big lie willingly.  This pLandemic is "it" happening all over again.  Instead of Jews, it's a super-hyped virus and the unvaxed.  We see it unfolding right in front of our eyes.  Mask mandates and social distancing has caused a great decoupling among the people and the actions of the Marxists have encouraged a lot of free-floating anxiety.  But it's not working as smoothly as it did in Germany (and elsewhere).  We have not yet become Nazi Germany (or China, or Soviet Union, or Cuba, or Venezuela, etc.).  This time, there are enough that are not susceptible to hypnosis and have learned the lessons from history and are fighting this and Malone and Rogan are just two of them.  We are not going down without a fight.  We will not go quietly into the night!

And not to just focus on just this part of the entire interview, the rest is good too.

[el midgetron]

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PARIS, Jan 5 (Reuters) - The government on Wednesday defended President Emmanuel Macron's use of coarse language in a stepped-up campaign against France's unvaccinated, after his words drew condemnation from the opposition and mixed reactions from voters.

Macron said he wanted to "p*** off" unvaccinated people by making their lives so complicated they would end up getting jabbed. He was speaking in an interview with Le Parisien newspaper in which he also called unvaccinated people irresponsible and unworthy of being considered citizens.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/macrons-p***-off-comments-trigger-new-covid-law-debate-suspension-media-2022-01-05/

[Golden Duck]

Godwin's Law in the OP.

[Tatetopa]

6 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

 “When you have a society that has become decoupled from each other and has free-floating anxiety in a sense that things don’t make sense, we can’t understand it, and then their attention gets focused by a leader or series of events on one small point just like hypnosis, they literally become hypnotized and can be led anywhere.”

Wow, I will have to listen to that interview.  It sounds like a good assessment of the attraction of Donald Trump and belief in whatever he says.  First time I have heard of MFP.

[RavenHawk]

Since I'm talking about Dr Malone, in that interview, he mentioned a collection of over 140 studies about natural immunity.  I don't recall if he actually gave the link to it, but I knew what he was referring to (that's amazing).  For those that can't go to the bathroom without a peer-reviewed study, I thought this is for you.

https://brownstone.org/articles/79-research-studies-affirm-naturally-acquired-immunity-to-covid-19-documented-linked-and-quoted/

 

[RavenHawk]

(oh I see, never mind.  Didn't notice my two were merged.  They were separate topics)

 

Invoking Godwin’s Law in this case is neither here nor there.  If you talk about Mass Formation Psychosis, Nazi Germany is the ultimate example.  China’s Cultural Revolution is a close second.  Invoking Alinsky is passé.

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by RavenHawk

[+and-then]

We now exist in a post-truth, post-factual reality.  Tribalism uber-alles.  Once a culture reaches this point of self-deception, ANY kind of lie can be told as truth and it will be defended to the bitter end.  As we just saw Tat use it to single out those who support Trump, the same can be said of those who hate the man to a near hysterical degree and without any personal stake in the matter.  

People should be free to do either, but when that pattern of rigid conformity based on sketchy evidence extends to medical science, it guarantees some very dangerous outcomes.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

Godwin's Law in the OP.

Godwin's law does not extend to the point of being able to invalidate every example we could use in the modern world, just because it parallels what the Nazis did.  What they did was quite real and modern examples of that mindset certainly exist.  Anyone who doubts it should have a look into the rising trend toward anti-Semitism in Europe and elsewhere.  

[ChrLzs]

6 minutes ago, and then said:

As we just saw Tat use it to single out

You kinda missed the point.  Tat didn't.

[Golden Duck]

7 minutes ago, and then said:

Godwin's law does not extend to the point of being able to invalidate every example we could use in the modern world, just because it parallels what the Nazis did.  What they did was quite real and modern examples of that mindset certainly exist.  Anyone who doubts it should have a look into the rising trend toward anti-Semitism in Europe and elsewhere.  

Yeah, let's rename the thread:

Masks - Your Own Private Auschwitz

[RavenHawk]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Wow, I will have to listen to that interview.  It sounds like a good assessment of the attraction of Donald Trump and belief in whatever he says.  First time I have heard of MFP.

Please do, it is worth the price of admission.  So is a series titled “Covid Revealed”: https://vrevealed.com/c19/trailer .  Unfortunately, the free viewing period is over and the series can be purchased, but you can peruse the trailer to find a list of doctors, scientist, and other professional who have signed on.  My wife follows many of them on things like telegram and others.  Once you become aware of these things, you can’t unsee it (common sense).

 

If you study MFP at any length, you’ll discover the incorrectness of your statement.  Again, that is an Alinsky move.

 

I’ve known about MFP for some time.  Years ago, I was looking into the Milgram experiment and that led me to MFP.  From the interview, Malone says he was talking to Mattias about MFP.  Mattias Desmet, Ghent University is the one that has done a lot of work in this.  Here’s an article about him and MFP: https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/opinion/opinion-how-have-we-gotten-here-mass-formation-psychosis-explained/

 Here's another interesting article on Mattias: https://thomascasey.wordpress.com/2021/08/28/mass-formation-by-dr-mattias-desmet-professor-of-psychology-university-of-ghent/

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by RavenHawk

[RavenHawk]

19 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Yeah, let's rename the thread:

Masks - Your Own Private Auschwitz

That is one way to look at it.  Masks are just fear porn (pinning yellow Stars of David on our clothes).  Forcing children that have virtually no threat of death to get jabbed is enslavement.  Our Dr Mengele can do anything he wills with no worry of liability or responsibility.  And the masses will willingly comply.  The meaning in your intent of statement is exactly what MFP covers.

 

[ChrLzs]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

Masks are just fear porn

Yeah, that's why emergency services and surgeons use them...  What an idiotic statement.  

I just remembered why I had you on ignore - back you go.

[el midgetron]

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Canadian military leaders saw the pandemic as a unique opportunity to test out propaganda techniques on an unsuspecting public, a newly released Canadian Forces report concludes.

The federal government never asked for the so-called information operations campaign, nor did cabinet authorize the initiative developed during the COVID-19 pandemic by the Canadian Joint Operations Command, then headed by Lt.-Gen. Mike Rouleau.

But military commanders believed they didn’t need to get approval from higher authorities to develop and proceed with their plan, retired Maj.-Gen. Daniel Gosselin, who was brought in to investigate the scheme, concluded in his report.

The propaganda plan was developed and put in place in April 2020 even though the Canadian Forces had already acknowledged that “information operations and targeting policies and doctrines are aimed at adversaries and have a limited application in a domestic concept.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/military-leaders-saw-pandemic-as-unique-opportunity-to-test-propaganda-techniques-on-canadians-forces-report-says

[el midgetron]

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A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group (8), although levels of concern may be rising (9). Having a good understanding of the risk has been found to be positively associated with adoption of COVID-19 social distancing measures in Hong Kong (10). The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf

[RavenHawk]

2 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

Yeah, that's why emergency services and surgeons use them...  What an idiotic statement.  

I just remembered why I had you on ignore - back you go.

Emergency services and surgeons don’t use them in the same way we that are mandated to use them as.  We use it to stop covid and it doesn’t.  It’s a useless face diaper.  They are nothing more than a symbol of submission and subjugation and have nothing to do with public health.  Emergency services and surgeons use masks to prevent spittle and other fluids from falling into open wounds (bypassing the immune system).  Their masks do not stop the aerosol from floating around the mask and settling into the wound.  Most people that you may encounter do not have an open wound and not vulnerable.  They are healthy and ambulatory, meaning that their innate and adaptive immune systems are probably up to the task of dealing with spittle and aerosol.  Frail parents in a nursing home, if you want to wear a mask that’s your decision. 

Man has a symbiotic relationship with viruses and have for almost 180,000 years.  Covid is the newest of thousands of viruses that live in us.  You need to learn to trust what GOD and nature has given us.  It is truly an amazing system.  In 1 Corinthians 6:12: “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything.  This seems appropriate for these experimental drugs and the mandates.  Yes, there are times when vaccines and nanobiologics are needed to help our immune system and other things, these are the wave of the future.  It’s just that these so-called vaccines are not it.  We do not have long-term safety data on them and they shouldn’t be forced on people.  That is a violation of the Nuremberg code.

 

I don’t need a study for this, but I can prove that masks are not effective.  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do that.  The size of a covid molecule is about 0.1 microns (μm).  The smallest object that can be seen with the unaided eye is 40 (μm).  The human hair averages about 75 μm.  Depending on thread count, the space between threads in a weave (face mask) goes from 5 μm to 200 μm.  Hairs will stick through.  If hairs poke through, then covid molecules will find no obstacle.  Even when you factor in particle kinetics (this is in essence how molecules interact with the fiber of a mask).  Molecules can clump and build up on the surface or be absorbed into the fiber, but the effectiveness of masks is not that great because most of the aerosol does not go through the mask but around the ends (path of least resistance).  Using particle kinetics, I’m assuming that the efficacy was calculated at between 5% and 15%.  I’ve seen three different clips (one is in the title sequence of “Covid Revealed”) where someone takes a puff on a vape, puts on a mask and then exhales.  Smoke comes out from around the edges against the skin as well as going right through the mask.  Here is the link to that clip (there are many others out there):

https://youtu.be/sRFtVsL9dzE

I have two very simple thought experiments.  I like them because they are testable and repeatable.  So here we go.  Put on your mask then put on your glasses.  Now, go run around the building.  By the time you get back, your glasses are fogged over.  Why?  Because the heat from your exhales (aerosol) escape from around the ends of the mask, up between the eyes and the glasses and mushrooms up over the head and spreads.  And what goes out can also come in.  The other experiment, just put on your mask and walk into a fish market or any other place with pungent smells.  Do you think you’d be able to smell the fish?  The answer is yes unless you’ve lost your sense of smell.  Combatting covid with a mask is like keeping mosquitos out with a chain-link fence. 

[psyche101]

Wow.

Joe Rogan becomes a bigger jerk by the day doesn't he. Pandering to Robert "I invented everything medical and nobody loves me for it" Malone's ego? LOL. What an attention *****. 

[el midgetron]

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Malone performed a landmark experiment on transfection of RNA into human, rat, mouse, Xenopus, and Drosophila cells, published in 1989.[9][10] A follow-up study also published in 1989 found that frog embryos absorbed such mRNA. A 1990 paper, in collaboration with Jon A. Wolff, Dennis A. Carson, and others, first suggested the possibility of synthesizing mRNA in a laboratory to trigger the production of a desired protein.[11] These studies are recognized as among the earliest steps towards mRNA vaccine development.[12][9][1][13][14]Malone claims to be the inventor of mRNA vaccines, and while Stan Gromkowski, an early mRNA vaccine researcher and cellular immunologist, views Malone as "an underappreciated pioneer" who could be in contention to win a Nobel Prize for his work,[1] credit for the distinction is more often given to later advancements by Katalin Karikó or Derrick Rossi,[8][15][16] and was ultimately the result of the contributions of hundreds of researchers, including Malone.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone

[psyche101]

2 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone

 

2 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

and was ultimately the result of the contributions of hundreds of researchers, including Malone

 

[+and-then]

9 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Yeah, let's rename the thread:

Masks - Your Own Private Auschwitz

Whatever floats your boat, duck.  My point stands on its own.  

[+and-then]

9 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

The meaning in your intent of statement is exactly what MFP covers.

Precisely.  They actually ooze arrogance as they look down on others for refusing to choose as they have chosen.  The most disturbing side of this is the realization that IF they could physically compel others to their will, they would not hesitate to do so, while at the same time hold outrage against anyone who tried to do the same to THEM.  You can't make this stuff up.

[itsnotoutthere]

"What I find interesting is that the media (as usual) twisted what Malone said, and claimed that Malone says that the US is like Nazi Germany.  That's not what he said."

Par for the course for the last 5 years.

[el midgetron]

Horse Dewormer 

[+Liquid Gardens]

8 hours ago, and then said:

You can't make this stuff up.

But you do anyway.

[+Liquid Gardens]

11 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

They are nothing more than a symbol of submission and subjugation and have nothing to do with public health.

And the overwrought opposition to them is nothing more than firm evidence how effective right wing propaganda is to the unskeptical.

11 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Man has a symbiotic relationship with viruses and have for almost 180,000 years.  

Which has resulted in some of the deadliest plagues in history, go on.

11 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

I have two very simple thought experiments.

I have only one very simple thought experiment.  Let's say someone is wearing a mask that fogs up their glasses and allows them to still smell things and smoke and all that.  Now that person sneezes.  Is it your scientific theory that the same amount of virus was just propelled out compared to if there was no mask?  You understand that most virus material we expel through our nose and mouth is initially attached to larger usually moist particles?

You seem to be drifting towards the same fallacious reasoning that others randomly invoke: things are either perfect/"guaranteed", or they are worthless.  I'm willing to wear a mask if it is only 5% effective at preventing virus spread, I prefer not to go out with my own lungs suffocating me.  I do think it's like stopping mosquitoes with a chain link fence, if the chain link fence was covered in adhesive; sure some mosquitoes are going to fly right through, but some aren't.  And for chrissakes it's simply a mask, it's no more burdensome than shoes.  You guys act like it's: