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Dr Robert Malone interview on Joe Rogan podcast


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7 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

You agree but just want to argue?  OK how many surgeons do you see daily?  How many people in supermarkets?  Are more than half of your population infected?  If you think about those questions, you have pretty much debunked your claim of a 'primary purpose'.  If you still think that, then I'm sure your belief is very important to you, so here you go - I give in, you're absolutely 199% right.

So ...... what was your point?

Right, you chose to make it an issue and then you act like the issue is unreasonable. Your above comment is a silly misrepresentation of the mountain you made out of an ant hill. 
 

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Umm, I'm from Australia.  Not Austria, not America.  You're not very familiar with geography?  It's anisland continent and the "borders" here means the borders between the states... normally completely unmonitored, but road blocks went up between our states during the covid crisis and you were refused entry if from a 'hotspot'' (ie highly infected region) AND so it is a generic term that refers to those borders and also our airports, which were blocked to most flights in and out.  It has nothing to do with racism, although I understand how you would think that, coming from the DS (Divided States)...

Sure thing. Australia is the exempt from the xenophobia of blaming its problems on open boarders…. Australia has had some of the most extreme and restrictive lock down measures in the world. And now has record covid numbers. Back in your cell, mate. 

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43 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Australia has had some of the most extreme and restrictive lock down measures in the world. And now has record covid numbers. Back in your cell, mate. 

Wait, what difference does 'now' make? What happened to the previous 22 months?  

Australia deaths per million from Covid: 83

US deaths per million from Covid: 2418

We should all be so lucky to be in his 'cell'... 

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23 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Not to me, but thanks for proving my point by parroting more right wing propaganda.  Tell me, what is the difference to you between doing things out of fear and doing things out of safety?

because you are part of the choir.

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but thanks for proving my point by parroting more right wing propaganda. 

You don’t even know what your point is.  I thought facts were neither right or left wing??  I guess the main difference is that the right focuses on the facts and the left do everything they can do to deflect and distract from them.

 

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Tell me, what is the difference to you between doing things out of fear and doing things out of safety?

Since we are being conditioned to be fearful from covid, we should fight that tendency and do what is safe.  Because we do not know the long-term effects of the vaccine, we should not be mandated to take them or wear masks.  They both have proved to be ineffective.  We should respect fear and not lose our heads.  That is the safe thing to do.

 

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That's false.  A mask also absorbs what is expelled.

I said that.  A mask does not prevent what is being expelled from escaping into the atmosphere.  Covid molecules don’t come out of the nose and mouth and when they run into a mask, they don’t go back into the mouth or nose.  The mask can block or absorb a small portion of what is being expelled.  I thought that I had posted this, but I’ll do it here.  It demonstrates the effectiveness of masks:

https://youtu.be/sRFtVsL9dzE

 

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What trade-off?  The impact on your reputation if someone who thinks like you sees you wearing a simple mask and thinks you are being subjugated?

The trade-off is between remaining human and using common sense and acting out in irrational fear.  Being coerced by those that desire to seize power over us.  The difference is being able to recognize when you are being manipulated.

 

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I'd happily line up to get a shot every single day if it reduced my chances of getting cancer or heart disease by 5%.

I guess that’s the point.  A 5% decrease in expelled covid molecules doesn’t change your chances of getting covid.  Let’s say that there are a 100 billion covid molecules in a single breath (that’s probably an undercount).  So when you expel, you release 100,000 billion molecules in every breath (how many breaths are taken in a minute?).  And let’s say that you have a high thread count in your mask, so we can estimate that 85 billion actually escape into the atmosphere.  So if you are around other people even beyond 6 ft., you are still exposed to hundreds of billions of covid molecules.  A mask doesn’t stop this.

 

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"The principal mode by which people are infected with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) is through exposure to respiratory fluids carrying infectious virus. Exposure occurs in three principal ways: (1) inhalation of very fine respiratory droplets and aerosol particles, (2) deposition of respiratory droplets and particles on exposed mucous membranes in the mouth, nose, or eye by direct splashes and sprays, and (3) touching mucous membranes with hands that have been soiled either directly by virus-containing respiratory fluids or indirectly by touching surfaces with virus on them."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html

 

Covid doesn’t need to catch a ride on aerosolized body fluids to be aerosol themselves.  Granted, it is graduated.  The smallest would be free floating covid molecules, then clumps of molecules, then molecules attached to aerosolized body fluid, then mucus with covid via adsorption.  Particle kinetics would seem to imply that the disposition of covid molecules on aerosolized body fluids is physically limited.  Spittle would then need to be accurately targeted at a membrane.  The shotgun effect of spittle is not as accurate as an immersion of covid molecules around those membranes. 

 

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I understand your analogy, it isn't accurate.

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-91487-7

 

It is very accurate.  watch the clip.

 

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"Wearing surgical masks or other similar face coverings can reduce the emission of expiratory particles produced via breathing, talking, coughing, or sneezing. Although it is well established that some fraction of the expiratory airflow leaks around the edges of the mask, it is unclear how these leakage airflows affect the overall efficiency with which masks block emission of expiratory aerosol particles. Here, we show experimentally that the aerosol particle concentrations in the leakage airflows around a surgical mask are reduced compared to no mask wearing, with the magnitude of reduction dependent on the direction of escape (out the top, the sides, or the bottom). "

This experiment is inaccurate.  And this is why.  From the pictures of how the samples are taken, you can see how the microphone provides support to that side of the mask (effectively creating a block).  What happens in a mask is that a breath creates pressure and that pressure seeks the path of least resistance to escape.  It is like a balloon that has several holes in it.  If you can block all of them and then open just one hole, air will rapidly rush out of that hole.  If you open more than one, you’ll notice that the release is not as rapid.  In other words, by putting one edge up against the microphone will force more out the other edges.  The clip that I provide is visibly far better showing the flow.

 

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Just like countless other safety measures we take in order to live in a society,

This is not one of them.  The masks cause more harm than good.  To make that claim is sure sign of willing subjugation (Mass Formation Psychosis).

 

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like obeying the government at stop signs, and driving sober. 

It’s not the same thing.  If you violate those laws, the death rate is great.  The death rate from covid is 1.6%.  This is basically the rate of the flu.  It is fear mongering.

 

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I’d wager that way less than 1% of drunk driving instances result in an accident that kills someone, so I guess obeying drunk driving laws is ‘worthless’ and sheep behavior using your logic.

I believe that it is much higher.  If it were only 1%, I’d doubt that the law would still exist.  True, I don’t think that the total deaths from drunk driving is more than those that have died from covid.  But the covid deaths are highly exaggerated.  People that come into the emergency room with a gunshot to the head, are tested for covid.  If they test positive and later die from the gunshot, they are listed as a covid death.  It’s the old argument of dying from covid and dying with covid.  Yes, this is an extreme example, but that’s why it is the example.  This does happen with less traumatic injuries.  The actual number is anybody’s guess, but it is less than what is officially recorded.  Getting killed in a drunk driving accident doesn’t rely on any of the comorbidities of the victim.  About 75% of covid deaths have four or more comorbidities, especially obesity and age.  We could easily focus our efforts in treating those obese and aged.  This would require far less effort than mandating and alienating millions of Americans.

 

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5 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Australia deaths per million from Covid: 83

US deaths per million from Covid: 2418

And how much more population does the US have than Australia?  Not just that but which population has higher density?

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23 hours ago, Katniss said:

It looks like they can make you believe in slippery slope domino effect fallacies. :ph34r:

:D

And those that have become obedient, willfully become blind to what is unfolding before them.

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5 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

You don’t even know what your point is.  I thought facts were neither right or left wing??  I guess the main difference is that the right focuses on the facts and the left do everything they can do to deflect and distract from them.

I'm quite clear what the point is, here it is again:  you are labelling things you believe facts, not showing they are facts.

6 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Because we do not know the long-term effects of the vaccine, we should not be mandated to take them or wear masks.  They both have proved to be ineffective. 

Such as the above, I thought you were concerned about facts.  If vaccines are ineffective, then why are your chances of being hospitalized many times greater for the unvaccinated, what's your explanation for that discrepancy if it's not that vaccines are effective?

11 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Since we are being conditioned to be fearful from covid, we should fight that tendency and do what is safe.  Because we do not know the long-term effects of the vaccine, we should not be mandated to take them or wear masks.  They both have proved to be ineffective.  We should respect fear and not lose our heads.  That is the safe thing to do.

You show zero expertise or knowledge of medicine, virology, epidemiology, so really and logically the safe thing is to give your totally inexpert opinions the weight they do not deserve.  

12 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

The trade-off is between remaining human and using common sense and acting out in irrational fear.  Being coerced by those that desire to seize power over us.  The difference is being able to recognize when you are being manipulated.

As opposed to you acting out of irrational fear that everyone's going to be manipulated and of people that supposedly want to seize power over us?  

15 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

A 5% decrease in expelled covid molecules doesn’t change your chances of getting covid.  Let’s say that there are a 100 billion covid molecules in a single breath (that’s probably an undercount).  So when you expel, you release 100,000 billion molecules in every breath (how many breaths are taken in a minute?).  And let’s say that you have a high thread count in your mask, so we can estimate that 85 billion actually escape into the atmosphere.  So if you are around other people even beyond 6 ft., you are still exposed to hundreds of billions of covid molecules.  A mask doesn’t stop this.

That is a very incomplete analysis; what, are all people only 6 feet away now?  What if I'm 20 feet away, am I still exposed to hundreds of billions of covid molecules?  You've accounted for air flow and currents?  At what rate have you computed that the spread of covid molecules decreases by distance?  

20 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

This experiment is inaccurate.  And this is why.  From the pictures of how the samples are taken, you can see how the microphone provides support to that side of the mask (effectively creating a block).  What happens in a mask is that a breath creates pressure and that pressure seeks the path of least resistance to escape.  It is like a balloon that has several holes in it.  If you can block all of them and then open just one hole, air will rapidly rush out of that hole.  If you open more than one, you’ll notice that the release is not as rapid.  In other words, by putting one edge up against the microphone will force more out the other edges.  The clip that I provide is visibly far better showing the flow.

This is why it is very difficult to take you seriously.  A published experiment, with actual measurements and stuff, that you have no knowledge of is inaccurate because of your inexpert analysis of pictures and a video you saw on the internet.  I really wish there was a facepalm emoji available.

23 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

About 75% of covid deaths have four or more comorbidities, especially obesity and age. 

So 200,000 Americans who had fewer comorbidities died of covid, yea, totally insignificant, not worth 'focusing our efforts on'.

25 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

To make that claim is sure sign of willing subjugation (Mass Formation Psychosis).

You'll forgive if I don't exactly trust your powers of over-the-internet diagnoses/telepathy of internet comments from anonymous posters. Especially since you are having trouble with simple facts.

 

I really haven't paid much attention to your mentions on MFP, maybe that'd be a better topic. Let's start with the basic: what exactly is it and what science supports its existence?  I looked it up on wiki but got routed to a page on mass and mob hysteria.  It'd be best if you could explain it in summary yourself to better understand what you think it is.

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34 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

And how much more population does the US have than Australia? 

That's why rates are being compared and not raw counts.  Population density would seemingly be a factor but you've got a lot of work to do to show that accounts for a 30-fold difference between our countries.  The population density of most of America is low, and those low population density areas have not been close to immune to covid.  Mississippi and Alabama are in the lower half of states population density-wise and are number 1 and 2 for covid death rates.

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On 1/6/2022 at 9:23 AM, Liquid Gardens said:

Which has resulted in some of the deadliest plagues in history, go on.

An Den?  You lot can scream, squeal, and hide in your homes fo-evah, and it will not make SARS-COV-2 as deadly as you think it is.  The CFR hasn't increased since day one and Omicron gives every indication of being the last gasp for you folks trying to sell fear-porn.  

I'm curious... IF you could have your way on this issue, would you compel the vaccines on others?  What kinds of penalties would you approve of for those who refused?  

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42 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

And those that have become obedient, willfully become blind to what is unfolding before them.

 

IMO, they're already so far gone in the tribalism that they'd approve of government incarcerating those who refuse this vaccine.  Indeed, I'm not sure that even that would satisfy them.  Remember that this current wave may well signal the end of this virus as anything beyond an endemic infection more similar to seasonal influenza than a plague.  It truly is dispiriting what many people are capable of doing "for the greater good".  :no:

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1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

We could easily focus our efforts in treating those obese and aged.  This would require far less effort than mandating and alienating millions of Americans.

Yes, but that would assume the real goal is public health and safety and the current hysteria over Omicron proves absolutely that this is not the real goal.

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2 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

And those that have become obedient, willfully become blind to what is unfolding before them.

 

Listen if you truly believe what you are telling us here, why are you wasting your time on the net posting these things when you could be out in the real world doing something about it? :)

1 hour ago, and then said:

I'm curious... IF you could have your way on this issue, would you compel the vaccines on others?  What kinds of penalties would you approve of for those who refused?  

No because it's worse than trying to force children to take medication. It hardly ever works with adults. :D

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2 hours ago, and then said:

IF you could have your way on this issue, would you compel the vaccines on others?

Nope, but I'd talk them into common sense.  I have one friend and one work associate who were not vaccinated, as they had seen some of your ilk's misinformation and scaremongering, so I simply took the time to show them how to verify the truth or lies they were being fed on fuc facebook.  I also explained my vulnerability as I am somewhat immuno-compromised.  And we looked carefully at what had happened in other countries like the US where they have low vaccination rates and about THIRTY TIMES more deaths per capita.

Sure, there are some geographic issues, but 30X????   That has largely come from low trust in the government and medical sectors.  The first is warranted, the second is not.

 

Anyway both of my friends were convinced to get vaccinated.

 

Australia's overall IQ seems to be pretty high, which is a good thing.

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3 hours ago, and then said:

An Den?  You lot can scream, squeal, and hide in your homes fo-evah, 

Who's hiding?  The windmills you find to tilt at...

3 hours ago, and then said:

and it will not make SARS-COV-2 as deadly as you think it is.

How deadly do I think it is?  What is it with you guys and the pretend mind-reading?

3 hours ago, and then said:

The CFR hasn't increased since day one and Omicron gives every indication of being the last gasp for you folks trying to sell fear-porn.  

Ha, I just saw a snarky tweet or post or something regarding this.  "The people who assure us Omicron is no danger based on one month's of data are the same people who don't understand the safety of vaccines after a year's worth'.  Where am I selling 'fear-porn'?  Turn off your television and deal with what people actually say instead of the right-wing loony caricatures the media blinds you with, or look up the word 'strawman'.  Jesus, the irony of you complaining about 'post-factual tribalism'...

3 hours ago, and then said:

I'm curious... IF you could have your way on this issue, would you compel the vaccines on others?  What kinds of penalties would you approve of for those who refused?  

Define 'compel'.  It's a difficult question to answer as the situation changes frequently.  Yes, I believe in public safety, it's necessary to have civilizations.  What do you mean 'penalties', are there proposals in the US to arrest or fine the unvaccinated?  If you are talking about work mandates, well as I often hear from people on the right, usually with regard to/in judgment of certain minority cultures, the US is the land of opportunity and we're all equal and if someone is willing to work hard they'll succeed.  Bootstraps, etcetera.

Tell me, can you assure me that it is not worse overall for people to remain unvaxxed outside of med issues?  There is no basis for the concern that with the seemingly even larger amount of virus that will be produced by Omicron infections that we'll lose the random mutation lottery and end up with a worse variant than we've already dealt with?  Can you 'guarantee' me, since that is your bar for others to clear when it's convenient, that we won't end up with something where unfortunately more young people get taken out?  If that starts happening will it then start to register with you that it is 'deadly'?  The way that our death toll gets so blown off is really weird; please, never ever complain again about the utterly inconsequential number of people murdered by illegal immigrants again.

I've said this before and I'm sure it will just bounce off you like everything does, but there is an angle to all of this that gets around all this political/government oppression stuff you seize on:  the impact on our healthcare system.  There is no question that our hospitals and medical personnel have been slammed, sometimes to the point of overwhelming, by the pandemic.  They've been busting their ass for two years now, it is difficult not to see many unvaxxed people who are hospitalized for covid as plain disrespectful at this point.  As well as foolish; we can make a zillion vaccines in the time it takes to make one doctor.  I really wouldn't worry so much about the post-factual until you start incorporating the present facts first.

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5 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

And if both pants are made of fish netting…

Then you have extremely weird taste in fashion and probably wouldn't be allowed out in public due to exposure

That's dead set weird. Fish net pants. Gross idea.

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On 1/6/2022 at 4:28 PM, RavenHawk said:

If I'm about to sneeze or cough, I tend to remove my mask 

Surely you're not serious?

WHAT? Your reaction isn't to cough into your arm with the mask on, but to actually remove the mask and then cough into your arm/hand/etc?

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

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I said that.  A mask does not prevent what is being expelled from escaping into the atmosphere.  Covid molecules don’t come out of the nose and mouth and when they run into a mask, they don’t go back into the mouth or nose.  The mask can block or absorb a small portion of what is being expelled.  I thought that I had posted this, but I’ll do it here.  It demonstrates the effectiveness of masks:

https://youtu.be/sRFtVsL9dzE

So the doc is using what looks like vape from an e-cig to demonstrate the inefficacy of masks... I see... and you took it as evidence that masks don't work...

Here's a video to counter yours:

It's the heavier, larger respiratory droplets that are of concern, because those are carrying a higher viral load than smaller, aerosolized droplets. The masks catch these large droplets and prevent them from becoming aerosolized, so the only droplets getting through are those with minimal viral load.

It's like tossing basketballs and ping pong balls at a chain-linked fence. Some of the ping png balls will get through, but the basketballs won't.

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Surely you're not serious?

WHAT? Your reaction isn't to cough into your arm with the mask on, but to actually remove the mask and then cough into your arm/hand/etc?

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Wow. I missed that.

What an ahole. They don't come much worse than that. 

I'd agree. This is probably the most stupid and arrogant statement in the history of UM.

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Just now, psyche101 said:

I'd agree. This is probably the most stupid and arrogant statement in the history of UM.

I wouldn't be surprised if he coughs into the palm of his hand and then, without washing them, just touches things like buttons on an elevator, door handles, etc. That's hideous.

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6 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I wouldn't be surprised if he coughs into the palm of his hand and then, without washing them, just touches things like buttons on an elevator, door handles, etc. That's hideous.

She I think, I agree, that's just low life grubby behaviour. Someone who clearly hates their community. Absolutely disgusting. No manners or ethics. More psycho than I thought.

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And how much more population does the US have than Australia?  Not just that but which population has higher density?

Did Ravenhawk actually post that?????/

Seriously, that is a bloody idiotic post.  It's PER CAPITA.  What an amazing display of stupid.

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1 hour ago, ChrLzs said:

Did Ravenhawk actually post that?????/

Seriously, that is a bloody idiotic post.  It's PER CAPITA.  What an amazing display of stupid.

His point is that greater population density leads to greater transmission leads to more deaths per million.

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On 1/5/2022 at 8:42 PM, psyche101 said:

Wow.

Joe Rogan becomes a bigger jerk by the day doesn't he.

He becomes a jerk in your eyes because he threatens your world-view.  He uses common sense to do that.

 

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Pandering to Robert “I invented everything medical and nobody loves me for it” Malone’s ego? LOL. What an attention *****. 

Is this the same Dr Malone that holds 9 patents on mRNA?  I would say he has a right to strut a little.

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12 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

He becomes a jerk in your eyes because he threatens your world-view.  He uses common sense to do that.

Where do you get such nonsense from? What does he threaten? I consider myself more intelligent to be honest. I honestly don't know why people think he knows anything. Shock jocks are dime a dozen. He's just an attention seeker and people like you fall for his BS. Doesn't say a lot for your intellectual ability to be perfectly honest.

12 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Is this the same Dr Malone that holds 9 patents on mRNA?  I would say he has a right to strut a little.

It's the same one who falsely claimed to be the inventor of mRNA technology when in reality he is one small cog in very large workings. He's a whiny biatch who is thriving on anti vax idiocy.

A little perspective please. 

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2 hours ago, Xetan said:

His point is that greater population density leads to greater transmission leads to more deaths per million.

Say what?

Talk about re-inforcing my opinions of the folks that fall for this...Here's what s/he said.

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And how much more population does the US have than Australia?
Not just that...

My emphasis.  Please READ the words, especially the ones saying "Not just that.." which clearly shows they were then moving onto a separate point and hadn't noticed the figures were PER CAPITA.  Geez, it's like talking to brick walls.

And btw, the population density of the US is:

- NOT directly proportional to rates of infection - if you claim it is, show your work and stop handwaving and throwing stuff at the fan 

- only about 13x that of Australia, well short of the 30x worse death rate

 

Now do, oh do, move onto a Gish Gallop and see what other excuses you can find.  Then you'll prove a perfect fit for the pigeonhole.

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