Orange-eyed 'O'Hare Mothman' seen at USPS sorting facility

[rashore]

27 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The podcast I mentioned goes over the sightings up to that point in time. The sightings even included 2 red lights which were not connected to anything other than being red lights. Another case included a photo which was taken along the main flyway into O'hare. A photo by the researcher matched the photo that was supposedly mothman. It was a plane landing at the airport. Another reports mothman on a 5 story buidling in a neighborhood with max 3 story buildings. The vast majority of the Chicago sightings appear to be questionable reports.

You can the info starting at this post

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/354361-orange-eyed-ohare-mothman-seen-at-usps-sorting-facility/?do=findComment&comment=7340276

I noticed you had posted that earlier, and she does do a good job on some of the earlier sightings around Chicagoland. However, she stopped posting them in 2017, and the Mothman sightings in the O'Hare proper area didn't start till 2019. Unfortunately, Allison didn't cover any of the O'Hare sightings. 

I do wonder a bit why she stopped, there's not many more posts after the Mothman ones ended in 2017, and the channel hasn't been active in a couple years. I did notice in the commentary of a couple of her Mothman videos about changes to the map or stuff getting edited out. Maybe that had something to do with it. 

[the13bats]

6 minutes ago, rashore said:

I noticed you had posted that earlier, and she does do a good job on some of the earlier sightings around Chicagoland. However, she stopped posting them in 2017, and the Mothman sightings in the O'Hare proper area didn't start till 2019. Unfortunately, Allison didn't cover any of the O'Hare sightings. 

I do wonder a bit why she stopped, there's not many more posts after the Mothman ones ended in 2017, and the channel hasn't been active in a couple years. I did notice in the commentary of a couple of her Mothman videos about changes to the map or stuff getting edited out. Maybe that had something to do with it. 

Are you saying none of her eariler explainations can be used with ohare sightings,

 

[the13bats]

42 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The podcast I mentioned goes over the sightings up to that point in time. The sightings even included 2 red lights which were not connected to anything other than being red lights. Another case included a photo which was taken along the main flyway into O'hare. A photo by the researcher matched the photo that was supposedly mothman. It was a plane landing at the airport. Another reports mothman on a 5 story buidling in a neighborhood with max 3 story buildings. The vast majority of the Chicago sightings appear to be questionable reports.

You can the info starting at this post

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/354361-orange-eyed-ohare-mothman-seen-at-usps-sorting-facility/?do=findComment&comment=7340276

Something that bugs me about claims of seeing an unknown whatever in the sky especially at night, there is no way to accurately gauge distance or size of something unknown its all guessing.

Yet a person will insist they saw a 20 ft whatever 100 ft away in a dark sky.

Anyone who doubts this ever notice how the moon looks so much bigger when its lower in the sky.

[rashore]

6 hours ago, the13bats said:

I read pg 2 why you discount owls for the air port sightings and i get it, makes sense i just dont rule out owls 100% in fact i dont rule out anything except some otherwordly paranormal explanations for the obvious reason.

So then we have a near hot bed of sightings but of just what?

Do witness accounts all seem to be the same type of encounter?

Did any of these witnesses follow thru in other words did they check the spot the alleged creature was at for physical evidence? Any pictures?

One thing an air port has a lot of especially after 911 is cameras seems something could have been caught did witnesses follow up to see if that took place.

Do we have any descriptions more than "eye glow"

And as much as some do not like it we have to discount some witnesses due to things not limited to bandwagon effect, Being mistaken, hallucinations for reasons ranging from being tired to mentally ill, hoaxes,

At least a few sightings have to be legit so since i dont go down rabbit holes of fantasy what known creatures can we rule in and rule out as possible subjects.

 

 

Here's the O'Hare list for you. In mapping order. 

Oct 10, 2019: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2019/10/rosemont-illinois-winged-humanoid.html

Oct 28, 2019: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2019/10/huge-black-bat-winged-entity-observed.html

Dec 4, 2019: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2019/12/truck-driver-observed-winged-demon-at.html

Dec 7, 2019: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2019/12/new-red-eyed-winged-humanoid-sighting.html

Dec 3, 2019: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2019/12/red-eyed-winged-humanoid-confronted-by.html

March 3, 2020: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2020/03/cryptid-winged-being-observed-by.html

Feb 21, 2020: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2020/03/tall-red-eyed-winged-humanoid-reported.html

May 31, 2020: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2020/06/winged-humanoid-observed-reported-by.html

Feb 6, 2020: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2020/02/humanoid-observed-ascending-into-ufo-at.html

June 22, 2020: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2020/06/2nd-airline-pilot-reports-describes.html

June 30, 2020: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2020/07/red-eyed-winged-humanoid-feigned-attack.html

July 31, 2020: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2020/09/unknown-humanoid-possible-grey-alien.html

Sept 24, 2020: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2020/09/unknown-humanoid-possible-grey-alien.html

Nov 23, 2020: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2020/11/ohare-mothman-encountered-by-tracon-air.html Update: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2020/11/update-ohare-mothman-encountered-by.html

May 3, 2021: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2021/05/large-flying-owl-humanoid-observed-by.html

A cluster from July 22, 2021: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2021/08/ohare-mothman-approached-by-multiple.html

https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2021/08/breaking-red-eyed-winged-humanoid-at.html

https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2021/08/witness-ordered-to-leave-while.html

https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2021/08/ohare-mothman-july-22-2021-incident.html

Sept 29, 2021: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2021/09/winged-being-large-boomerang-ufo.html

And the last, Jan 11, 2022: https://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2022/01/orange-eyed-ohare-mothman-encountered.html

There are a few outside the loop,  but I didn't include them. 

[rashore]

24 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Are you saying none of her eariler explainations can be used with ohare sightings,

 

Are you finding her earlier explanations are applicable to the O'Hare sightings? I realize I did just post the O'Hare list in relation to your previous questions, so it might take you a wee bit to sift between the two sets for applications or comparisons. 

[the13bats]

Okay, ive been up all night and tired i read thru several and is this one sight the only place these accounts are documented and are all anonymous?

Sorry, i drop anything anonymous right off the bat, oh no pun entended,

Also one guy said he was drunk but seeing this thing sobered him up, no, ive been in the bar biz all my life nothing instantly sobers a person up.

All the alleged accounts i read sound like the same creature, anyone do the math on how big of wings it would take to get a being this size to fly and by flapping no less.

 

[the13bats]

7 minutes ago, rashore said:

Are you finding her earlier explanations are applicable to the O'Hare sightings? I realize I did just post the O'Hare list in relation to your previous questions, so it might take you a wee bit to sift between the two sets for applications or comparisons. 

As i said above nope i didnt read all of the ones you posted just yet i will but i have a feeling where its going to lead me,

In the meantime what are you thinking is gping on?

[rashore]

2 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Okay, ive been up all night and tired i read thru several and is this one sight the only place these accounts are documented and are all anonymous?

Sorry, i drop anything anonymous right off the bat, oh no pun entended,

Also one guy said he was drunk but seeing this thing sobered him up, no, ive been in the bar biz all my life nothing instantly sobers a person up.

All the alleged accounts i read sound like the same creature, anyone do the math on how big of wings it would take to get a being this size to fly and by flapping no less.

 

Oh dear. Then you will have to drop the entire mapping I posted, and all the youtube channel and links stereologist posted since they are all based off the same anonymous thing. Or at least you would need to look through all the entries to see if any of them aren't anonymous. 

Singular Fortean has some stories, but you have to sort through a lot of stories to find ones specific to Chicagoland Mothman. News reports sometimes have the names of people too, so you could try looking up the stories for news reports to see if the people were identified. 

[the13bats]

Okay,

So of all the reports on phantoms and monsters which after a click to their front page reminded me of that tabloid years back, bat boy found in cave, i was bigfoots love slave,

Merman photo, shrimp man in laundry room, really?

Anyhoo, is any of the alleged mothman sighting collaborated by any actual news or police reports, and with so many reports is there any physical evidence? Pictures, please just answer dont make me read that tripe.

[the13bats]

5 minutes ago, rashore said:

Oh dear. Then you will have to drop the entire mapping I posted, and all the youtube channel and links stereologist posted since they are all based off the same anonymous thing. Or at least you would need to look through all the entries to see if any of them aren't anonymous. 

Singular Fortean has some stories, but you have to sort through a lot of stories to find ones specific to Chicagoland Mothman. News reports sometimes have the names of people too, so you could try looking up the stories for news reports to see if the people were identified. 

thanks that saves me a lot of time if every account is anonymous and posted by one source, then yeah okay.

[stereologist]

I posted information just to show what was out there and to make it clear what the quality of the reports were.

The reports are collected by a site. That's good. They can be checked. Checking shows that the reports are often wrong in some important way.

We have to thank the person in the podcast for taking the time to check the reports. A lot of effort has been expended checking out reports.

[the13bats]

8 hours ago, stereologist said:

I posted information just to show what was out there and to make it clear what the quality of the reports were.

The reports are collected by a site. That's good. They can be checked. Checking shows that the reports are often wrong in some important way.

We have to thank the person in the podcast for taking the time to check the reports. A lot of effort has been expended checking out reports.

So then where does this leave us?

[stereologist]

22 hours ago, the13bats said:

So then where does this leave us?

Good question. I think this shows that the idea of mothman is a pile of manure and no matter how large than pile of manure becomes there are no gemstones or gold in it.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

On 1/25/2022 at 10:02 PM, stereologist said:

Good question. I think this shows that the idea of mothman is a pile of manure and no matter how large than pile of manure becomes there are no gemstones or gold in it.

There is no proof, but DANG - there are some tantalizing evidences. 

When the first scientist that claimed to have found a new planet, Pluto, should we have believed him? Think about it. 

[stereologist]

6 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

There is no proof, but DANG - there are some tantalizing evidences. 

When the first scientist that claimed to have found a new planet, Pluto, should we have believed him? Think about it. 

Yes, because it could be independently verified. That first person to find Pluto was Tombaugh. I don't even have to loo up his name. He found it using the telescope at Flagstaff, AZ.

But there are no scientists finding evidence of mothman. There is no ability to independently verify a claim.

Maybe, instead of Pluto, there are other search items that are similar.

• Finding the entrance to the hollow Earth at the north pole
• The location of Brogdingnag
• The fountain of youth
• Trump's brain

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

2 hours ago, stereologist said:

Yes, because it could be independently verified. That first person to find Pluto was Tombaugh. I don't even have to loo up his name. He found it using the telescope at Flagstaff, AZ.

But there are no scientists finding evidence of mothman. There is no ability to independently verify a claim.

Maybe, instead of Pluto, there are other search items that are similar.

• Finding the entrance to the hollow Earth at the north pole
• The location of Brogdingnag
• The fountain of youth
• Trump's brain

Ok, so it was Tombaugh. Why did everyone believe him? Other people saying the same thing means exactly what, more of same (true/false)?

Let's take the year that there were 55 mothman reports in the Chicago area...
The first report comes in... no one believes it, or cares. Then the next.. Now what? 25 more reports come in. Are they not all verifying the first...? and each other? 
Is this not - in a way, like more astronomers backing up Tombaugh? Of course, random people do not get the respect that a scientist gets, to be sure. 

Like I say, it makes you think.

[stereologist]

7 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Ok, so it was Tombaugh. Why did everyone believe him? Other people saying the same thing means exactly what, more of same (true/false)?

Let's take the year that there were 55 mothman reports in the Chicago area...
The first report comes in... no one believes it, or cares. Then the next.. Now what? 25 more reports come in. Are they not all verifying the first...? and each other? 
Is this not - in a way, like more astronomers backing up Tombaugh? Of course, random people do not get the respect that a scientist gets, to be sure. 

Like I say, it makes you think.

That's an excellent question.

Are the reports of mothman the same as scientific observations?

In the case of Tombaugh he reported an object that he had observed move in the sky. Tombaugh was able to view the object multiple times and verify its existence. Tombaugh was able to tell people where to find the object he located. Other people have detected the same object and verified Tombaugh's measurements.  In addition to Tombaugh's observations it has been known that there are other objects orbiting the Sun. The behavior of Pluto is like other objects such as Ceres, the asteroids, Neptune, etc. A proper scientific study allows for predictions. Pluto is observed where it is predicted to appear.

With mothman the reports do not match each other in shape or size. Often the reports do not appear to accurate such as in basketball hoop or no 5 story building. Sometimes those reports do not even see mothman. Rather someone reports red lights. Sometimes it is the lack of reports. A report is made of seeing mothman in a crowded area. Only 1 report, not the hundreds that might be expected from the thousands in the area at the time.

In the matter of repeatability the reports do NOT verify previous reports. Many reports are so poorly done that they do  not even get simple things correct such as mothman on a basketball hoop when there are zero hoops in the area. Or what about the report in the path of landing planes at O'hare and the photo matches a photo taken by someone who visited the area and took a photo of a plane?

Are there 6 limbed creatures? Insects, but not large creatures. All flying large creatures have 4 limbs. They are tetrapods. Bats and birds have 4 limbs. Mothman has 6. There is nothing in the fossil record with 6 limbs. Unlike Pluto mothman has no creatures like it.

Can the reports be used to predict something about the behavior of mothman? Not to date. At least one person is trying to verify the sightings or learn about the sightings by going to the report locations to learn. They are learning that the reports are of poor quality. This asks the question that should always be asked: "Did the event happen as described?" That should be asked before wondering about the nature of the creature, ghost, or whatever is told about in the story. In the case of Chicago mothman it appears that the events did not happen as described. That makes wonder about mothman pretty useless don't you think?

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

11 hours ago, stereologist said:

That's an excellent question.

Are the reports of mothman the same as scientific observations?

In the case of Tombaugh he reported an object that he had observed move in the sky. Tombaugh was able to view the object multiple times and verify its existence. Tombaugh was able to tell people where to find the object he located. Other people have detected the same object and verified Tombaugh's measurements.  In addition to Tombaugh's observations it has been known that there are other objects orbiting the Sun. The behavior of Pluto is like other objects such as Ceres, the asteroids, Neptune, etc. A proper scientific study allows for predictions. Pluto is observed where it is predicted to appear.

With mothman the reports do not match each other in shape or size. Often the reports do not appear to accurate such as in basketball hoop or no 5 story building. Sometimes those reports do not even see mothman. Rather someone reports red lights. Sometimes it is the lack of reports. A report is made of seeing mothman in a crowded area. Only 1 report, not the hundreds that might be expected from the thousands in the area at the time.

In the matter of repeatability the reports do NOT verify previous reports. Many reports are so poorly done that they do  not even get simple things correct such as mothman on a basketball hoop when there are zero hoops in the area. Or what about the report in the path of landing planes at O'hare and the photo matches a photo taken by someone who visited the area and took a photo of a plane?

Are there 6 limbed creatures? Insects, but not large creatures. All flying large creatures have 4 limbs. They are tetrapods. Bats and birds have 4 limbs. Mothman has 6. There is nothing in the fossil record with 6 limbs. Unlike Pluto mothman has no creatures like it.

Can the reports be used to predict something about the behavior of mothman? Not to date. At least one person is trying to verify the sightings or learn about the sightings by going to the report locations to learn. They are learning that the reports are of poor quality. This asks the question that should always be asked: "Did the event happen as described?" That should be asked before wondering about the nature of the creature, ghost, or whatever is told about in the story. In the case of Chicago mothman it appears that the events did not happen as described. That makes wonder about mothman pretty useless don't you think?

 

Intrigue about mothman may be "worthless" to some, and for good reason, but not to everyone.

Addressing the problem here: When Pluto was first discovered, there was many highly educated astronomers being paid a good wage to watch the skies.
Who on good god's Earth ever went to university to study mothman ? lol. So, when these events started to happen, naturally there are no professionals 
gleefully gathering the data.

IMO, something is out there. I mean, this is an oddity that isn't happening in Houston, Seattle, or anywhere else USA. Whay is that??
I don't think we'll ever get to the bottom of it mostly because there is no org like MUFON for mothman. but the photos may prove to be interesting lol

[Trelane]

This is a laughable argument.

There was the possibility of Pluto existing as other bodies had been discovered in space. Other planets had been proven to exist.

There has never been any evidence of anything like this fable ever existing.

 

Swing and a miss.....

[stereologist]

15 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

 

Intrigue about mothman may be "worthless" to some, and for good reason, but not to everyone.

Addressing the problem here: When Pluto was first discovered, there was many highly educated astronomers being paid a good wage to watch the skies.
Who on good god's Earth ever went to university to study mothman ? lol. So, when these events started to happen, naturally there are no professionals 
gleefully gathering the data.

IMO, something is out there. I mean, this is an oddity that isn't happening in Houston, Seattle, or anywhere else USA. Whay is that??
I don't think we'll ever get to the bottom of it mostly because there is no org like MUFON for mothman. but the photos may prove to be interesting lol

The issue you bring up here continues to show that Pluto and mothman are completely unrelated. It also continues to reveal the difference between science and the lack of quality of mothman reports.

There are people that make money off of mothman. That makes them professionals just as there are professional bigfoot people. The problems is that they do not do scientific work. You bring up MUFON another money making enterprise. MUFON rarely does anything scientific.

You mention photos. The photo of the plane landing at O'hare airport is still listed as mothman. Why is that? It makes money for the person posting that photo.

There is nothing out there but a pile of bad reports. That's it. After someone says mothman everyone is primed to repeat that term. A pair of red lights becomes mothman. Something by a nonexistent basketball hoop is mothman. A made up report about a policeman becomes mothman.

 

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

2 hours ago, stereologist said:

The issue you bring up here continues to show that Pluto and mothman are completely unrelated. It also continues to reveal the difference between science and the lack of quality of mothman reports.

There are people that make money off of mothman. That makes them professionals just as there are professional bigfoot people. The problems is that they do not do scientific work. You bring up MUFON another money making enterprise. MUFON rarely does anything scientific.

You mention photos. The photo of the plane landing at O'hare airport is still listed as mothman. Why is that? It makes money for the person posting that photo.

There is nothing out there but a pile of bad reports. That's it. After someone says mothman everyone is primed to repeat that term. A pair of red lights becomes mothman. Something by a nonexistent basketball hoop is mothman. A made up report about a policeman becomes mothman.

 

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With the plethora of mothman reports (55 in one year ) in one general area, one must think there is either a conspiracy amongst people
in the area, or.. these people, as individuals, are doing their best at telling the truth. OR... show me another area of the country where this is normal. 
It just doesn't happen, and I for one do not believe that the people in the Chicago area or so different from the rest of Americans to make this so. 
There has to be something to what these people say. has to be. Too many years now.

How do you reconcile it all?

[stereologist]

3 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

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With the plethora of mothman reports (55 in one year ) in one general area, one must think there is either a conspiracy amongst people
in the area, or.. these people, as individuals, are doing their best at telling the truth. OR... show me another area of the country where this is normal. 
It just doesn't happen, and I for one do not believe that the people in the Chicago area or so different from the rest of Americans to make this so. 
There has to be something to what these people say. has to be. Too many years now.

How do you reconcile it all?

As already explained this is priming.

And let's face it there are plenty more than 55 in one year. You did not listen to the podcast or sections of the podcast or you would know that there are more reports. But whatever the number the simple fact is that ALL of the reports are substandard. Not some or a few are substandard, but ALL are poor. Had you made even a modicum of effort you would know that.

This mothman is just a normal example of these types of reports. Someone sees something and primes the others by saying mothman. Someone makes a report and uses the name mothman regardless of what they saw.

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

1 hour ago, stereologist said:

But whatever the number the simple fact is that ALL of the reports are substandard. Not some or a few are substandard, but ALL are poor.

Yes, for sure. but that does not explain how the reports got generated in the first place (your explanation is shear speculation) 
nor does "substandard" equate to "bogus". You seem to take no or little care in how much an effort such a conspiracy would take 
in this large citizen response but that is what has my attention.  

 

1 hour ago, stereologist said:

This mothman is just a normal example of these types of reports. Someone sees something and primes the others by saying mothman. Someone makes a report and uses the name mothman regardless of what they saw.

So goes your theory, anyway. And I can just as easily proclaim that witnesses said mothman because that is what they thought they saw. 

 

 

 

PS: I am doing rehab and cannot do the proper research or reading of posted links at this time (this post took about 25 minutes to compose)

[Resume]

14 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Yes, for sure. but that does not explain how the reports got generated in the first place (your explanation is shear speculation) 
nor does "substandard" equate to "bogus". You seem to take no or little care in how much an effort such a conspiracy would take 
in this large citizen response but that is what has my attention.  

55 anecdotes are a drop in the bucket, and meaningless because they can never be verified or falsified.

14 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

 

So goes your theory, anyway. And I can just as easily proclaim that witnesses said mothman because that is what they thought they saw. 

You can proclaim all you want but your proclamation has nothing to do with the validity of the evidence, which is **** because anecdotes are not verifiable or falsifiable.

14 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

PS: I am doing rehab and cannot do the proper research or reading of posted links at this time (this post took about 25 minutes to compose)

Feel better.

[stereologist]

1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Yes, for sure. but that does not explain how the reports got generated in the first place (your explanation is shear speculation) 
nor does "substandard" equate to "bogus". You seem to take no or little care in how much an effort such a conspiracy would take 
in this large citizen response but that is what has my attention.  

 

So goes your theory, anyway. And I can just as easily proclaim that witnesses said mothman because that is what they thought they saw. 

 

 

 

PS: I am doing rehab and cannot do the proper research or reading of posted links at this time (this post took about 25 minutes to compose)

The reports are shear speculation except for the bulk that are shear baloney.

I explained that priming is how the reports got generated in the first place. I also showed int his thread how the most famous or most prized reports are nonsense.

And substandard is for the ones not shown to be "bogus".

In a city of millions this is a teeny, tiny nothing response.It is not as you suggest so falsely a "large citizen response".

The other issue is that the reports are NOT consistent or did you choose not to notice?

It's fine if you need to take time to compose a response. Thank you pointing out that need on our part. No need to mention rehab. That is a private issue you need not mention.