XenoFish Posted January 20, 2022 #76 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Grey Area said: Now I am unsure how happy I am with classical, intelligent description of a ghost, but there is another phenomenon well known and accepted that matches the description you just gave: Dark Matter. It too has an observable effect on the universe, but remains tantalisingly unmeasurable and mysterious. That's just a fill in excuse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 20, 2022 #77 Share Posted January 20, 2022 8 hours ago, papageorge1 said: Hmm….Mr. Bats. I’ve heard so much evidence it exceeds zero. Hi Papa Evidence isn’t something you hear, it is something tangible that can be studied so if all you got is whispers then yes you have zero evidence 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted January 20, 2022 #78 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Papa Evidence isn’t something you hear, it is something tangible that can be studied so if all you got is whispers then yes you have zero evidence Many people have had that conversation with @papageorge1 to no avail. If he thinks anecdotes are evidence after all this time, why beat a dead horse? Let him be. Edited January 20, 2022 by Desertrat56 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 20, 2022 #79 Share Posted January 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said: Many people have had that conversation with @papageorge1 to no avail. If he thinks anecdotes are evidence after all this time, why beat a dead horse? Let him be. Because he treats the anecdotes (stories) as proof. Stories are just stories, they might represent a personal subjective experience. They do not offer objective proof. None of them should be treated as evidence. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted January 20, 2022 #80 Share Posted January 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Because he treats the anecdotes (stories) as proof. Stories are just stories, they might represent a personal subjective experience. They do not offer objective proof. None of them should be treated as evidence. Its weird ive experenced right on this forum where a guy denounced other peoples stories as bs and mental illness etc but got very very enraged when his own extraordinary claims were taken as just stories. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 20, 2022 #81 Share Posted January 20, 2022 37 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said: Many people have had that conversation with @papageorge1 to no avail. If he thinks anecdotes are evidence after all this time, why beat a dead horse? Let him be. Hi Desrerat Because you asked nicely okay, that said I really don't say much to him anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted January 20, 2022 #82 Share Posted January 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Because he treats the anecdotes (stories) as proof. Stories are just stories, they might represent a personal subjective experience. They do not offer objective proof. None of them should be treated as evidence. I agree, but it is not useful to say the same thing over and over when you know it is not getting heard. Why waste the time, and why get bothered. It is who he is and it isn't going to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 20, 2022 #83 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Just now, Desertrat56 said: I agree, but it is not useful to say the same thing over and over when you know it is not getting heard. Why waste the time, and why get bothered. It is who he is and it isn't going to change. Most of the time it's for the random reader. Rather than him. To be honest, what isn't a dead horse around here? Religion, politics, ufo, etc. Different dead horse, same beat stick. Many of us know by now he won't or can't change. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted January 20, 2022 #84 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: Most of the time it's for the random reader. Rather than him. To be honest, what isn't a dead horse around here? Religion, politics, ufo, etc. Different dead horse, same beat stick. Many of us know by now he won't or can't change. Yes and in some topics each of us is like that, or seems like that. Though I have learned a lot on this forum from everyone, some by the way I react which shows me my triggers, some by giving me something to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 20, 2022 #85 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said: Yes and in some topics each of us is like that, or seems like that. Though I have learned a lot on this forum from everyone, some by the way I react which shows me my triggers, some by giving me something to think about. That's nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 20, 2022 #86 Share Posted January 20, 2022 9 hours ago, psyche101 said: Indeed I was clarifying what they mean in the real world. So was I. We consider collections of anecdotes all the time to better understand the real world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 20, 2022 #87 Share Posted January 20, 2022 4 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Papa Evidence isn’t something you hear, it is something tangible that can be studied so if all you got is whispers then yes you have zero evidence Evidence can be a collection of experiences for consideration. 'Consideration' implies neither blind acceptance nor blind dismissal. Consideration requires reasoning skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 20, 2022 #88 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said: Many people have had that conversation with @papageorge1 to no avail. If he thinks anecdotes are evidence after all this time, why beat a dead horse? Let him be. Evidence can be a collection of experiences for consideration. 'Consideration' implies neither blind acceptance nor blind dismissal. Consideration requires reasoning skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 20, 2022 #89 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Just now, papageorge1 said: Evidence can be a collection of experiences for consideration. 'Consideration' implies neither blind acceptance nor blind dismissal. Consideration requires reasoning skills. Hi Papa I have been asked not to talk to you so this is will be our last communication. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 20, 2022 #90 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Papa I have been asked not to talk to you so this is will be our last communication. Who has that much control over you? But our conversations are repetitive and worthless. So, probably a good thing for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 20, 2022 #91 Share Posted January 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: But our conversations are repetitive and worthless. I think the same thing when I interact with you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 20, 2022 #92 Share Posted January 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, XenoFish said: I think the same thing when I interact with you. Why do it then? Let me guess why; I rattle your false security in your disbelief. You wouldn't bother to interact long with someone who claimed the moon was made of cheese. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 20, 2022 #93 Share Posted January 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Why do it then? Let me guess why; I rattle your false security in your disbelief. You wouldn't bother to interact long with someone who claimed the moon was made of cheese. Primarily amusement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted January 20, 2022 #94 Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Primarily amusement. Not believing that answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 20, 2022 #95 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Just now, papageorge1 said: Not believing that answer. According to my Xen-O-Meter my comment is 99.9 %factual .1% false. Ah, I see....that .1% is just glitch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted January 20, 2022 #96 Share Posted January 20, 2022 9 hours ago, XenoFish said: That's just a fill in excuse. I’m not making any excuses, I don’t subscribe to any kind of woo, but my point is valid, as awkward as it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 20, 2022 #97 Share Posted January 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, Grey Area said: I’m not making any excuses, I don’t subscribe to any kind of woo, but my point is valid, as awkward as it may be. Dark energy has become the new 'quantum'. Meaning any explanation for something paranormal can be explain by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted January 20, 2022 #98 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: Dark energy has become the new 'quantum'. Meaning any explanation for something paranormal can be explain by it. I was referring to dark matter. We can observe the physical interactions of it, but cannot detect it. However despite its elusive nature, science takes it very very seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 20, 2022 #99 Share Posted January 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Grey Area said: I was referring to dark matter. We can observe the physical interactions of it, but cannot detect it. However despite its elusive nature, science takes it very very seriously. What I was trying to get across is like the term quantum, the woo crowd uses dark energy as a catch-all. Dark energy = paranormal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted January 20, 2022 #100 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, XenoFish said: What I was trying to get across is like the term quantum, the woo crowd uses dark energy as a catch-all. Dark energy = paranormal. I am quite proudly not part of the woo crowd. Whatever the ghost phenomenon is, I can’t dismiss it outright for the simple dark-matter comparison. But I do understand the reaction to the ‘making stuff up’ part of more extreme explanations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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