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7 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Later today I start a thread about the subject, and include sources I will mention you so you see it. I have been aware of this since approximately May 2020, Trump really dropped the ball and he is responsible for almost all the deaths that occurred 2020 along with putting the Nation in the place it is today!:tu:

I don't think it was just Trump.  He didn't care and maybe his advisors dropped the ball.   Why wasn't Fauci talking about it before 2020?   He had to have known as well and it is his job!

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1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

SARS-Cov-2 actually started infecting the Chinese between June and September 2019

Where did you get this information?  I just accessed a research paper dated January 9, 2022 that repeated the story that covid originated in November 2019 in Wuhan.

Could you name that thread where you posted this information?

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1 hour ago, Doug1066 said:

Where did you get this information?  I just accessed a research paper dated January 9, 2022 that repeated the story that covid originated in November 2019 in Wuhan.

Could you name that thread where you posted this information?

Doug

I am going to start a thread today that breaks this information down, I will mention you when its complete!

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5 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

This is something I have been telling people for a long time.   This forum has stories about the "Plague Ships" and I may be remembering incorrectly but I believe those stories were from November of 2019 and those ships were not catering to Chinese passengers, they were European, British and U.S. passengers for the most part.  The passengers from the U.S. were allowed to fly home with no means of protecting other passengers, and no quarantine after they got home.   In New Mexico a couple quarantined themselves in early 2020 after they came back from Egypt and had tested positive at the Egyptian air port.  

Iowa's first infections came from a couple on a cruise ship. How Iowa Mishandled the Coronavirus Pandemic - The Atlantic

"The first cases of the coronavirus in Iowa were recorded here in early March, when a group of infected locals returned home from an Egyptian cruise."- the article

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14 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Iowa's first infections came from a couple on a cruise ship. How Iowa Mishandled the Coronavirus Pandemic - The Atlantic

"The first cases of the coronavirus in Iowa were recorded here in early March, when a group of infected locals returned home from an Egyptian cruise."- the article

They may have been on the same cruise the first REPORTED cases in New Mexico were.  They knew they had the virus before they got on the plane to come home.   They did not spread it in our state because they quarantined for 3 weeks when they got home, but I wonder about the people on the plane with them.  I suspect they took some precautions but I don't really know.

My brother in law's friend came back from Italy in early November, sick and he said a lot of people were sick in the part of Italy his family lives in.  My brother in law was hospitalized January of 2020, after being sick for 7 weeks, for the exact same symptoms that were reported in March.  In June his doctor contacted him and had him come in for a anti body test because she was sure that is why he got such a mysterious pneumonia.    He got the Delta variant and was hospitalized again in June of 2021.   Everyone in the house except his 7 year old grand daughter got sick.   A week after he got out of the hospital he was back in for a fibrilating heart (beating too fast).  The doctor had to shock it to get it to beat properly and he was told that Covid19 had caused a blood clot on the lung that caused his heart to act up.   Until then, he had never had heart problems.

@Manwon Lender your timeline so far in your new thread is still focused on China.  What if the version of the virus that has caused this pandemic did not really originate in China; OR the timeline is still wrong?

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4 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

They may have been on the same cruise the first REPORTED cases in New Mexico were.  They knew they had the virus before they got on the plane to come home.   They did not spread it in our state because they quarantined for 3 weeks when they got home, but I wonder about the people on the plane with them.  I suspect they took some precautions but I don't really know.

My brother in law's friend came back from Italy in early November, sick and he said a lot of people were sick in the part of Italy his family lives in.  My brother in law was hospitalized January of 2020, after being sick for 7 weeks, for the exact same symptoms that were reported in March.  In June his doctor contacted him and had him come in for a anti body test because she was sure that is why he got such a mysterious pneumonia.    He got the Delta variant and was hospitalized again in June of 2021.   Everyone in the house except his 7 year old grand daughter got sick.   A week after he got out of the hospital he was back in for a fibrilating heart (beating too fast).  The doctor had to shock it to get it to beat properly and he was told that Covid19 had caused a blood clot on the lung that caused his heart to act up.   Until then, he had never had heart problems.

@Manwon Lender your timeline so far in your new thread is still focused on China.  What if the version of the virus that has caused this pandemic did not really originate in China; OR the timeline is still wrong?

Concerning the Virus, it did without a doubt start in China. SARS-Cov was the First Novel Virus of this type it started is China in 2002, the Reason they call the they this Virus SARS-Cov-2 because it is more than 90% similar to SARS. MERS-Cov on the other hand started in Saudi Arabia in 2013 it has major genetic differences to both SARS and SARS-Cov-2.

Why do you think the timeline may be wrong?

I am very sorry hear about you brother in laws friend, that’s really terrible that poor guy had a very bad time!:(

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20 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Concerning the Virus, it did without a doubt start in China. SARS-Cov was the First Novel Virus of this type it started is China in 2002, the Reason they call the they this Virus SARS-Cov-2 because it is more than 90% similar to SARS. MERS-Cov on the other hand started in Saudi Arabia in 2013 it has major genetic differences to both SARS and SARS-Cov-2.

Why do you think the timeline may be wrong?

I am very sorry hear about you brother in laws friend, that’s really terrible that poor guy had a very bad time!:(

I said why, my brother in law got it from his Italian friend in November 2019.   He was sick for 7 weeks before he went to the hospital Jan 2, 2020.  It was in Italy before November.  By the time it was reported in Wuhan (reported!) it had to have been around at least 6 weeks, maybe more.

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On 1/14/2022 at 8:55 AM, simplybill said:

Something to consider:

Former President Donald Trump initiated Operation Warp Speed, which gave us the vaccines that President Biden is now demanding as a condition of employment, even after Biden cast doubt on the vaccines during the election campaign. 

Actually Biden did not cast doubt on the vaccines, but the process being used. Operation Warp Speed had one goal - get a vaccine before the election. It was close.

https://time.com/5882949/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-election-history/

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For months, President Donald Trump has repeatedly said that a vaccine for the novel coronavirus may be ready by the end of the year, even as the nation’s top infectious disease specialist says early 2021 is more likely. Now, the New York Times has reported that the Trump Administration intends to speed up the process, with its eyes on a slightly earlier deadline: before Election Day on Nov. 3.

So what is Trump claiming

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-claims-people-refusing-vaccine-184200964.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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Former President Donald Trump claimed on Sunday that one of the reasons some people are unwilling to take the COVID-19 vaccine is because they "don't trust the Election results" from November 2020.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/12/01/trump-takes-credit-for-vaccine-created-by-others-including-immigrants/?sh=5cc1a07a374c

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After the recent election, Trump alleged that Pfizer withheld the results of the vaccine trials to hurt him politically, even though the pharmaceutical company did not receive the results of the trials until November 8, five days after Election Day (November 3). The following week, Moderna received the results of its vaccine trials. Both trials showed “vaccine efficacy” (effectiveness) of over 90%.

 

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1 hour ago, stereologist said:


Well, we’re not going to agree on whose political spin is most reliable, so I’ll use a “fact-check” website that appears to be biased against Trump. The following posts show a very subtle bias that I’ll point out.  I still hold to the belief that Harris and Biden were definitely the first to make the vaccines a political issue, and they definitely cast doubt on the vaccines simply because the vaccines were promoted by Trump.


Politifact has a partnership with Facebook, so take that into account when judging their bias (or lack thereof). The quote below is from a Politifact fact-check posted in June ‘21. The fact-checkers appear to be defending Biden and Harris, but the context of Biden’s and Harris’ words show a deliberate attempt to cast suspicion on the vaccines because it was Trump that was pressuring the pharmaceutical companies to operate at “Warp Speed”. (Notice Biden’s vague reference to “the scientists”, without naming names).

"The way he (Trump) talks about the vaccine is not particularly rational. He’s talking about it being ready, he’s going to talk about moving it quicker than the scientists think it should be moved … . People don’t believe that he’s telling the truth, therefore they’re not at all certain they’re going to take the vaccine. And one more thing: If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done."

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/


Kamala Harris in September ‘20:

"Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us. I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump. And it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about. I will not take his word for it. He wants us to inject bleach. I — no, I will not take his word."


The above quote from Harris shows an example of bias by the fact-checkers: in September of 2020, Harris repeats the false claim: “He wants us to inject bleach.” The fact-checker completely ignored that false claim, in spite of it having already been debunked in an earlier Politifact fact-check in April of 2020:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/apr/24/context-what-donald-trump-said-about-disinfectant-/

 

 

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1 hour ago, simplybill said:

Politifact has a partnership with Facebook, so take that into account when judging their bias (or lack thereof).

OK.  So we can take it into account, what's the extent of the partnership?

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18 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

OK.  So we can take it into account, what's the extent of the partnership?

From the first link:

A June 15 Facebook post showing the video was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

The link within the link:

https://m.facebook.com/help/1952307158131536?helpref=related

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15 minutes ago, simplybill said:


Well, we’re not going to agree on whose political spin is most reliable, so I’ll use a “fact-check” website that appears to be biased against Trump. The following posts show a very subtle bias that I’ll point out.  I still hold to the belief that Harris and Biden were definitely the first to make the vaccines a political issue, and they definitely cast doubt on the vaccines simply because the vaccines were promoted by Trump.


Politifact has a partnership with Facebook, so take that into account when judging their bias (or lack thereof). The quote below is from a Politifact fact-check posted in June ‘21. The fact-checkers appear to be defending Biden and Harris, but the context of Biden’s and Harris’ words show a deliberate attempt to cast suspicion on the vaccines because it was Trump that was pressuring the pharmaceutical companies to operate at “Warp Speed”. (Notice Biden’s vague reference to “the scientists”, without naming names).

"The way he (Trump) talks about the vaccine is not particularly rational. He’s talking about it being ready, he’s going to talk about moving it quicker than the scientists think it should be moved … . People don’t believe that he’s telling the truth, therefore they’re not at all certain they’re going to take the vaccine. And one more thing: If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done."

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/


Kamala Harris in September ‘20:

"Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us. I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump. And it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about. I will not take his word for it. He wants us to inject bleach. I — no, I will not take his word."


The above quote from Harris shows an example of bias by the fact-checkers: in September of 2020, Harris repeats the false claim: “He wants us to inject bleach.” The fact-checker completely ignored that false claim, in spite of it having already been debunked in an earlier Politifact fact-check in April of 2020:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/apr/24/context-what-donald-trump-said-about-disinfectant-/

 

 

Thank you for supporting exactly what I stated. The issue was the process, not the vaccines.

Now let us not forget that Trump has been a long term anti-vaxxer. Yes, he is or was an anti-vaxxer. I've seen video of Trump against vaccines.

https://www.insider.com/how-donald-trump-became-an-anti-vaccinationist-2019-9

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President Donald Trump has expressed anti-vaccine views since 2007, when he told a reporter that he believes vaccines can cause autism in young children.

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But the full record suggests Trump's position arose instead from his connections to the nonprofit Autism Speaks and its founder, the former NBC chairman Bob Wright.

It might be suggested that Trump's switcheroo to promoting vaccine was politically motivated.

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Wright has supported counseling parents concerned about vaccines to spread out injections over a longer period. His 2016 memoir, "The Wright Stuff," reproduces an email he sent to the leaders of Autism Speaks in September 2015, after the organization released a statement that denied a link between vaccines and autism as a response to Trump's comments to the contrary during a Republican debate.

Trump has been wrong about many medical issues including HCQ, vaccines and autism, climate change, etc.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-anti-vaxxer-bill-gates-said-president-asked-him-if-vaccines-934172
 

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Gates said that in two separate meetings since he was elected, Trump asked the billionaire philanthropist if "vaccines weren't a bad thing."

"He was considering a commission to look into the bad effects of vaccines and somebody, I think his name was Robert Kennedy Jr., was advising him that vaccines were causing bad things," Gates recalled. "And I said 'No, that's a dead end, that would be a bad thing, don't do that."

 

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5 minutes ago, simplybill said:

From the first link:

A June 15 Facebook post showing the video was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

The link within the link:

https://m.facebook.com/help/1952307158131536?helpref=related

I can't see Politifact mentioned in that link.

Going back the "inject bleach" Trump never took up the semantic argument his supporters trumpet.  Trump didn't defend the comment, he completely backed away from it, saying he was being sarcastic.

Cucker Tarlson didn't believe Cred Toos when he backed away from his terrorist comments - concerning the Jan 6 demonstrators.

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21 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Now let us not forget that Trump has been a long term anti-vaxxer. Yes, he is or was an anti-vaxxer. I've seen video of Trump against vaccines.

This particular thread is about Covid and the Covid vaccines, not the childhood vaccines that were being discussed years ago. Trump has encouraged people to get the Covid vaccines from the beginning, even when he was criticized by his own supporters.

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Beck might have relied on some sort o natural immunity based on a previous infection. That protection is low compared to the protection from one of the vaccines.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-49-Omicron/
 

This paper basically says that those that rely on protection due to a previous infection are out of luck - not  happening.

Here we get the result in layman's terms.

https://news.yahoo.com/omicron-reinfection-possible-experts-want-172900558.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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“Omicron is highly contagious and it would appear to not induce fantastic protective immunity,” Dr. Weiss says. 

 

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4 minutes ago, simplybill said:

This particular thread is about Covid and the Covid vaccines, not the childhood vaccines that were being discussed years ago. Trump has encouraged people to get the Covid vaccines from the beginning, even when he was criticized by his own supporters.

The issue you introduced to me was politics and one thing is for certain Trump is/was an anti-vaxxer.

Of course that was before COVID-19. Then he changed. probably because all Trump ever does is politics.

As I showed Trump has promoted nonsensical ideas such as HCQ and bleach injections.

Why did he get criticized for promoting a vaccine? Because he was an anti-vaxxer.

 

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17 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Going back the "inject bleach" Trump never took up the semantic argument his supporters trumpet.  Trump didn't defend the comment, he completely backed away from it, saying he was being sarcastic.

Trump’s remarks were in the form of a question, not in the form of a statement. 

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/apr/24/context-what-donald-trump-said-about-disinfectant-/

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3 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The issue you introduced to me was politics and one thing is for certain Trump is/was an anti-vaxxer.

This particular thread is about the Covid vaccines. Trump’s opinion on childhood vaccines is irrelevant here. 

Joe Biden could be considered a Covid anti-vaxxer, considering this statement he made during his campaign for President. This wasn’t asked in the form of a question, as Trump did when asking about disinfectants. 

2 hours ago, simplybill said:

If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done."

 

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5 minutes ago, simplybill said:

This particular thread is about the Covid vaccines. Trump’s opinion on childhood vaccines is irrelevant here. 

Joe Biden could be considered a Covid anti-vaxxer, considering this statement he made during his campaign for President. This wasn’t asked in the form of a question, as Trump did when asking about disinfectants. 

 

Wrong. The thread is about Glenn Beck. Someone introduced politics. When it comes to politics we see that Trump is a waffler.

And no Biden could not be considered an anti-vaxxer. Please take the time to understand he commented not on vaccines, but the process. They are distinct issues.

As I clearly demonstrated Trump was looking for the vaccines in development in the US to further his political position. And in the process he ticked off his anti-vaxxer followers.

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21 minutes ago, simplybill said:

Trump’s remarks were in the form of a question, not in the form of a statement. 

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/apr/24/context-what-donald-trump-said-about-disinfectant-/

Question or not it shows how poor Trump's thinking was on the issue. He was laughably wrong there. He was wrong with HCQ. He has little to no understanding of biology.

 

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2 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Please take the time to understand he commented not on vaccines, but the process. They are distinct issues.

Biden was commenting on the vaccines that were still in development, and emphatically stated:

”If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done."

I would call that ‘casting doubt on the vaccines’. His statement criticized both the vaccines and the process.

Obviously, we’re not going to come to any agreement here, but it’s been a great discussion. Thanks.

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7 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Question or not it shows how poor Trump's thinking was on the issue. He was laughably wrong there. He was wrong with HCQ. He has little to no understanding of biology.

 

I just now read this comment.

I know Trump acts outrageous at times, but I voted for him because he was a non-politician businessman. I wasn’t interested in his biology credentials. His economic policies led to an economy that benefited the working class. As a member of the working class, I’m grateful for the changes he enacted.

Regarding HCQ: I’ve read anecdotal reports of success in recovering from Covid using HCQ as a supportive treatment. If Glenn Beck wants to try it on himself, I’m okay with that. It’s his life, and his decision. If he has a good outcome, then maybe it was the right decision. 

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27 minutes ago, simplybill said:

Biden was commenting on the vaccines that were still in development, and emphatically stated:

”If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done."

I would call that ‘casting doubt on the vaccines’. His statement criticized both the vaccines and the process.

Obviously, we’re not going to come to any agreement here, but it’s been a great discussion. Thanks.

Thank you yet again for supporting what I stated.

He states specifically "all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done." That is the process, not the vaccinates.

Three cheers for seeing and reporting he was commenting on the process, not the vaccines themselves.

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15 minutes ago, simplybill said:

I just now read this comment.

I know Trump acts outrageous at times, but I voted for him because he was a non-politician businessman. I wasn’t interested in his biology credentials. His economic policies led to an economy that benefited the working class. As a member of the working class, I’m grateful for the changes he enacted.

Regarding HCQ: I’ve read anecdotal reports of success in recovering from Covid using HCQ as a supportive treatment. If Glenn Beck wants to try it on himself, I’m okay with that. It’s his life, and his decision. If he has a good outcome, then maybe it was the right decision. 

Sure there are anecdotes about all sorts of things. That is meaningless don't you agree.

HCQ's efficacy came from a French researcher named Raoult who did sloppy work which some people thought was faked. Trump picked up on it early. That's okay. It became clear that there were severe problems with Raoult's work. Raoult ended up fleeing to China because Raoult used children in his experiments. The problem is that when his story became seen as it was - a fraud people like Trump did not stop promoting the drug. In fact, Trump promoted it as a "game changer". Trump took HCQ when he contracted COVID despite months and months showing it did not work. He also told people he was using HCQ prophylactically.

https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-raise-concern-over-hydroxychloroquine-study-131539434.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

And to be clear if Glenn Beck takes a regimen and he recovers that does not mean the regiment was effective. Large scale studies are employed to figure out what is and is not effective.

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45 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Sure there are anecdotes about all sorts of things. That is meaningless don't you agree.

No, I don’t agree that the anecdotes are meaningless. The anecdotes are interesting to me. I’ve always been willing to test the folklore on myself. I keep what works, and discard what doesn’t. I don’t have anything against pharmaceuticals, but one of my lifetime goals is to never be dependent on pharmaceuticals, so I likely won’t try HCQ. The list of possible side effects is somewhat alarming. But it’ll be interesting to see how Glenn Beck’s experiment turns out.

Possible side effects of HCQ:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/hydroxychloroquine-oral-route/side-effects/drg-20064216

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