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70 % Of Covid Patients In Hospital Primarily There For OTHER Reasons


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Some more startling data from a UK Freedom of information request. 

 

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You mean like Pneumonia?   That is why people get admitted to hospital when they have a respiratory virus.  

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33 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

Some more startling data from a UK Freedom of information request. 

 

Unbelievable. 17,371 deaths from actual covid & 13,597 of those were over the age of 65.  So 3,774 people under the age of 65 have died of covid in two years. Why isn't this on every news channel???

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Unbelievable. 17,371 deaths from actual covid & 13,597 of those were over the age of 65.  Why isn't this on every news channel???

You would think the press, who have spent most of their time talking of nothing else, would give this some air time. :rolleyes:

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2 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

You would think the press, who have spent most of their time talking of nothing else, would give this some air time. :rolleyes:

Odd that they've spent the last few weeks trying to bury Johnson, you'd think this would help.

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1 minute ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Odd that they've spent the last few weeks trying to bury Johnson, you'd think this would help.

Ignoring this new data has helped keep Boris at the top of the news agenda.;) 

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Influenza and Pneumonia

 

Country 2018 2019
Total mortality 29,516 26,398
England 27,142 24,400
Wales 2,309 1,942
England and Wales 29,451 26,342
Resident outside England and Wales 65 56
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Exactly, misleading people on purpose hints strongly of hidden agendas.

Happens all the time in NZ.

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I was unable to view the video. The actual number of COVID-19 deaths in the UK is 150,000.

I assume what this crackpot did was what was tried in the US, only claim deaths in which the death certificate only says COVID-19 on it.

So if COVID causes a secondary infection he doesn't want to count that death.

If someone would have lived another 20 years with diabetes but COVID killed them and the death certificate mentions diabetes he doesn't want to count them.

And so on and so on and that's why he is considered to be a crackpot. He even promoted ivermectin despite the strong evidence it does not work on COVID. In the video nurse Campbell suggests that Pfizer's pill and ivermectin stop viral replication in the same manner. That is not true. How do we know? Because ivermectin does not affect COVID-19. The studies show that to be the case.

Take a gander at real information for a change.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/scicheck-merck-pfizer-covid-19-antivirals-different-from-ivermectin/

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38 minutes ago, stereologist said:

I was unable to view the video. The actual number of COVID-19 deaths in the UK is 150,000.

I assume what this crackpot did was what was tried in the US, only claim deaths in which the death certificate only says COVID-19 on it.

So if COVID causes a secondary infection he doesn't want to count that death.

If someone would have lived another 20 years with diabetes but COVID killed them and the death certificate mentions diabetes he doesn't want to count them.

And so on and so on and that's why he is considered to be a crackpot. He even promoted ivermectin despite the strong evidence it does not work on COVID. In the video nurse Campbell suggests that Pfizer's pill and ivermectin stop viral replication in the same manner. That is not true. How do we know? Because ivermectin does not affect COVID-19. The studies show that to be the case.

Take a gander at real information for a change.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/scicheck-merck-pfizer-covid-19-antivirals-different-from-ivermectin/

Down here, someone was shot dead, of course they tested positive postmortem and we're counted as a covid statistic.

True story

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/new-zealand-man-who-died-of-gunshot-wound-to-be-recorded-as-covid-19-death-report

Happens all over the world.

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Yes, even in this country, if you died within 28 days of a positive test,  you were counted as having died from covid even if you were run over by a bus. 

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7 minutes ago, taniwha said:

Down here, someone was shot dead, of course they tested positive postmortem and we're counted as a covid statistic.

True story

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/new-zealand-man-who-died-of-gunshot-wound-to-be-recorded-as-covid-19-death-report

Happens all over the world.

Well, the idea is to keep track of all cases.   Now if they put covid on the death certificate and counted it as a covid death, that is misrepresentation, but it was a valid covid case and needed to be included in the number of cases.

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4 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Well, the idea is to keep track of all cases.   Now if they put covid on the death certificate and counted it as a covid death, that is misrepresentation, but it was a valid covid case and needed to be included in the number of cases.

And in these cases a story emerges a few days later to report the numbers and processes have been corrected.

Still going on about old problems.

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6 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

And in theae cases a story emerges a few days later to report the numbers and processes have been corrected.

 

9 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Well, the idea is to keep track of all cases.   Now if they put covid on the death certificate and counted it as a covid death, that is misrepresentation, but it was a valid covid case and needed to be included in the number of cases.

However, the language used is designed to ramp up the fear when it comes to hospital cases, no getting round it.

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2 minutes ago, taniwha said:

 

However, the language used is designed to ramp up the fear when it comes to hospital cases, no getting round it.

The language of Conspiracy Porn.  Fear and paranoia are fellow travellers 

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1 minute ago, taniwha said:

 

However, the language used is designed to ramp up the fear when it comes to hospital cases, no getting round it.

Everything now a days is created to ramp up fear and division.  The trick is to stay calm and think, research if you find yourself getting sucked in.   We are headed for a system similar to that movie Idiocracy, not for the reasons stated at the beginning of the movie, more likely because the thinkers will be the first ones killed for questioning authority or not accepting their neighbor's picture of reality.

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22 minutes ago, taniwha said:

Down here, someone was shot dead, of course they tested positive postmortem and we're counted as a covid statistic.

True story

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/new-zealand-man-who-died-of-gunshot-wound-to-be-recorded-as-covid-19-death-report

Happens all over the world.

The Washington Examiner is hardly a trustworthy source of information. I would take the time to verify any story that rag prints.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/

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These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy

 

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20 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Yes, even in this country, if you died within 28 days of a positive test,  you were counted as having died from covid even if you were run over by a bus. 

A laughably false claim., but don't quit your day job you just aren't going to make it on the comedy circuit

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What most people don't seem to understand is that cause of death is based on varied reporting systems. Most of these stories about bad counting assume that the author of the tale knows what they are talking about. They rarely do. The cause of death may not be a simple issue such as a gun shot or a traffic accident. There is a report made by someone that lists one or more causes or death.

The direct cause of death might be a heart attack. That might have been caused by a blood clot thrown from the lungs. The lungs were in trouble for the last 3 weeks due to COVID-19 causes extreme damage to the organ. The whiners want to pretend that COVID-19 had nothing to do with the death. It was a heart attack.

What if the person had a kidney problem. They are on a sound diet to avoid continued failure of the nephrons. Then along comes COVID-19 and their kidneys continue to deteriorate. Instead of failing in 30 year they fail in to weeks. The whiners want to pretend that COVID-19 had nothing to do with the death. It was kidney failure.

Who makes the determination of the factors leading to death? Medical professionals. I'm going to have to side with the medical professionals. Even if a few cases are wrong the bulk of them are correct.

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4 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

As of today, as many as 70 per cent of covid patients in UK hospitals are primarily being treated for other problems.

For example, the latest statistics from NHS England showed that in the East Midlands, only 533 (29 per cent) of the 1,817 people included in coronavirus hospital data were being treated primarily for the virus.

In England overall, nearly half (47.9 per cent) of Covid patients were admitted to hospital for other conditions, but also tested positive.

That's a high number - the double of my country's.

But do you know why all infected are counted? Allow me to share the reason with you.

When a patient is admitted to a hospital with Covid (not necessarily because of Covid), s/he needs to be isolated from non-infected patients, because many of them are in a sensitive and weak state. The nurses and doctors also need to wear protective gear every time they are in contact with him/her. That's a lot of extra work, and puts the hospital as a whole under pressure.
So when a hospital reports how Covid burdened they are, they need to count all patients with Covid, whether they are sick because of Covid or not. Because the work burden is the same.
Covid is a big burden on a hospital, no matter if the patients are symptomatic or not.

Comprende? :)

 

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34 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The Washington Examiner is hardly a trustworthy source of information. I would take the time to verify any story that rag prints.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/

 

Ummmm it's a well known fact here in NZ, fact enough to make the not so trustworthy Washington Examiner, and recognized worldwide as fact.

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6 minutes ago, taniwha said:

Ummmm it's a well known fact here in NZ, fact enough to make the not so trustworthy Washington Examiner, and recognized worldwide as fact.

Were you looking for the Washington Post, the respectable Washington newspaper? The Washington Examiner and Washington Times are garbage.

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28 minutes ago, stereologist said:

What most people don't seem to understand is that cause of death is based on varied reporting systems. Most of these stories about bad counting assume that the author of the tale knows what they are talking about. They rarely do. The cause of death may not be a simple issue such as a gun shot or a traffic accident. There is a report made by someone that lists one or more causes or death.

The direct cause of death might be a heart attack. That might have been caused by a blood clot thrown from the lungs. The lungs were in trouble for the last 3 weeks due to COVID-19 causes extreme damage to the organ. The whiners want to pretend that COVID-19 had nothing to do with the death. It was a heart attack.

What if the person had a kidney problem. They are on a sound diet to avoid continued failure of the nephrons. Then along comes COVID-19 and their kidneys continue to deteriorate. Instead of failing in 30 year they fail in to weeks. The whiners want to pretend that COVID-19 had nothing to do with the death. It was kidney failure.

Who makes the determination of the factors leading to death? Medical professionals. I'm going to have to side with the medical professionals. Even if a few cases are wrong the bulk of them are correct.

Like how a person is shot dead just before they topple over dead from covid?

Yeah, likely story. ;)

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1 minute ago, stereologist said:

Were you looking for the Washington Post, the respectable Washington newspaper? The Washington Examiner and Washington Times are garbage.

The truth I posted isn't garbage even if it's true that the paper is.

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