Huge lorry queues at Dover as port bosses call for talks on EU checks

[Guest Br Cornelius]

What do you imagine would happen if the Queen refused to pass into law the new Crime Bill. I would say a full scale constitutional crisis would happen and the Queen would certainly lose in such a crisis.

SYMBOLIC POWER !!!!!

Our Irish President has similar symbolic powers. The actual constitution of Ireland constrains the President to have the sole functional roll of ensuring a smooth transition between elected Governments - just like the Queen. In fact he has slightly more powers in that he can refuse to enact a law which he considers unconstitutional but since the Irish actually have a written constitution and parliamentarians are careful to parse all legislation for constitutionality - it is never used.

Br Cornelius

Edited January 23, 2022 by Br Cornelius

[Silver]

19 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

You literally said it in the first line: 

Without such checks there is an open invitation to smuggling and fraud. 

The EU does away with the paperwork at borders ergo it is open to the smugglers and fraudsters, just like you said.

 

The checks take place at the external borders, which the UK is finding out to it's cost, and things will get more difficult for the UK when biometric testing starts. 

[Duke Wellington]

3 hours ago, Br Cornelius said:

What do you imagine would happen if the Queen refused to pass into law the new Crime Bill. I would say a full scale constitutional crisis would happen and the Queen would certainly lose in such a crisis.

SYMBOLIC POWER !!!!!

Our Irish President has similar symbolic powers. The actual constitution of Ireland constrains the President to have the sole functional roll of ensuring a smooth transition between elected Governments - just like the Queen. In fact he has slightly more powers in that he can refuse to enact a law which he considers unconstitutional but since the Irish actually have a written constitution and parliamentarians are careful to parse all legislation for constitutionality - it is never used.

Br Cornelius

The last time the Queen refused to sign a law into effect was a 1999 attempt at declaring war on Iraq.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

2 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

The last time the Queen refused to sign a law into effect was a 1999 attempt at declaring war on Iraq.

Its convenient for you that you omitted to outline the details. The Act was a private members bill and she refused consent on the advise of the government of the day - thus following the will of the elected government.
 

So again I call bull**** on your claim that she has any real power.

 

Br Cornelius

[Duke Wellington]

36 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

Its convenient for you that you omitted to outline the details. The Act was a private members bill and she refused consent on the advise of the government of the day - thus following the will of the elected government.
 

So again I call bull**** on your claim that she has any real power.

 

Br Cornelius

Whats your problem with Britain exactly?

[Guest Br Cornelius]

24 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Whats your problem with Britain exactly?

The country I was born in is a country of Queens subjects not citizens, that fairly much gets to the root of most of the issues i have with the English (not the British).
Also it is chocked full of muppets like yourself who have recently taken it to a very bad place indeed.

https://www.irelandlogue.com/about-ireland/irish-slang-muppet.html

 

Br Cornelius

Edited January 23, 2022 by Br Cornelius

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[L.A.T.1961]

On 1/21/2022 at 6:19 PM, L.A.T.1961 said:

Surprise surprise.

UK citizens will be checked by French police at Dover under a bilateral deal with Paris.

I can't think why the French would spend extra time with biometric checks in Dover. 

 

Fancy that. 

Dover holdups blamed on signature demands of French customs.

Demands by French customs officials over the type of signature they will accept on post-Brexit paperwork have been blamed by UK business leaders for causing long queues of lorries on approach roads to Dover.

France requires wet signatures on post-Brexit paperwork even though much is produced digitally, says BCC

The dispute over wet signatures is reminiscent of delays in the 1980s when France ordered that all foreign-made video recorders entering the country be cleared by a nine-person customs depot in Poitiers, hundreds of miles from northern ports where goods shipped from Japan docked.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/31/dover-holdups-blamed-on-signature-row-with-french-customs-post-brexit-paperwork

[Silver]

1 hour ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

Fancy that. 

Dover holdups blamed on signature demands of French customs.

Demands by French customs officials over the type of signature they will accept on post-Brexit paperwork have been blamed by UK business leaders for causing long queues of lorries on approach roads to Dover.

France requires wet signatures on post-Brexit paperwork even though much is produced digitally, says BCC

The dispute over wet signatures is reminiscent of delays in the 1980s when France ordered that all foreign-made video recorders entering the country be cleared by a nine-person customs depot in Poitiers, hundreds of miles from northern ports where goods shipped from Japan docked.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/31/dover-holdups-blamed-on-signature-row-with-french-customs-post-brexit-paperwork

So, the EU is protective of the SM, which we were part of two years ago? Do you have a point to make? Does that make Brexit more sensible in some way? Does that benefit the UK? Do explain.

[L.A.T.1961]

31 minutes ago, The Silver Shroud said:

So, the EU is protective of the SM, which we were part of two years ago? Do you have a point to make? Does that make Brexit more sensible in some way? Does that benefit the UK? Do explain.

Quite obviously the French are using any means to interfere with what would otherwise be the reasonably smooth running at the port. 

I would expect that when this wet ink requirement is sorted out by haulers, and the French can no longer turn it into a problem, they will drop the need to be quite so exact in their form filling and then claim they are doing this because they want to help.

This issue is nothing to do with protecting the single market.

[Silver]

21 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

Quite obviously the French are using any means to interfere with what would otherwise be the reasonably smooth running at the port. 

I would expect that when this wet ink requirement is sorted out by haulers, and the French can no longer turn it into a problem, they will drop the need to be quite so exact in their form filling and then claim they are doing this because they want to help.

This issue is nothing to do with protecting the single market.

And this knowledge you have will benefit the UK? How? There will be more red-tape in July, and then more in October. How is knowing that the EU know that it is difficult for the UK, and beneficial for the EU, to stick to the WA,  going to help UK businesses?  We all know it and knew it - the WA is full of red tape. All you are doing is re-stating the problem, you are not giving a suggestion to solve it. How can we solve the problem of Brexit red-tape? Just suggest one thing that is realistic.

Edited January 31, 2022 by The Silver Shroud

[L.A.T.1961]

17 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said:

And this knowledge you have will benefit the UK? How? 

The fact needs to be acknowledged that the EU are not benevolent but driven entirely by politics designed to keep Brussels at the center and in control.

The French need for, not just, signatures but wet signatures is another example of that.

So forewarned is forearmed   

But this is no secret, just ignored by EU followers. 

 

[Guest Br Cornelius]

1 hour ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

The fact needs to be acknowledged that the EU are not benevolent but driven entirely by politics designed to keep Brussels at the center and in control.

The French need for, not just, signatures but wet signatures is another example of that.

So forewarned is forearmed   

But this is no secret, just ignored by EU followers. 

 

The EU are benign to its members, its that simple. The UK openly declared war on everything the EU represents so why are you remotely surprised that the EU respond in kind.

Br Cornelius

[Duke Wellington]

2 hours ago, Br Cornelius said:

The EU are benign to its members, its that simple. The UK openly declared war on everything the EU represents so why are you remotely surprised that the EU respond in kind.

Br Cornelius

Isn`t it about time the UK stopped defending the Republic of Ireland`s airspace?

Sure, you guys only have one jet, and its a training jet. But is it really fair with the EU attitude towards Britain that we provide your defence for you?

[Guest Br Cornelius]

5 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Isn`t it about time the UK stopped defending the Republic of Ireland`s airspace?

Sure, you guys only have one jet, and its a training jet. But is it really fair with the EU attitude towards Britain that we provide your defence for you?

The bi-lateral agreements between Ireland and the UK have nothing to do with the EU.

 

Br Cornelius

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, Br Cornelius said:

The bi-lateral agreements between Ireland and the UK have nothing to do with the EU.

Br Cornelius

Good, you dont need it then lol.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

2 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Good, you dont need it then lol.

That a matter for ther Irish and UK governments - not me.

 

Br Cornelius

[Silver]

5 hours ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

The fact needs to be acknowledged that the EU are not benevolent but driven entirely by politics designed to keep Brussels at the center and in control.

The French need for, not just, signatures but wet signatures is another example of that.

So forewarned is forearmed   

But this is no secret, just ignored by EU followers. 

 

The UK turned down the opportunity to make things easier, because of "sovereignty":

Documents with a wet signature from an official veterinarian have been required by the EU for imports of food and animal feed from the UK since the end of the Brexit transition on 31 December 2020. While electronic certification would have been possible using an EU computer system, the UK turned down an offer from Brussels to use the platform and built its own system instead.

Dover holdups blamed on signature demands of French customs | Brexit | The Guardian

Edited February 1, 2022 by The Silver Shroud

[L.A.T.1961]

1 hour ago, The Silver Shroud said:

The UK turned down the opportunity to make things easier, because of "sovereignty":

Documents with a wet signature from an official veterinarian have been required by the EU for imports of food and animal feed from the UK since the end of the Brexit transition on 31 December 2020. While electronic certification would have been possible using an EU computer system, the UK turned down an offer from Brussels to use the platform and built its own system instead.

Dover holdups blamed on signature demands of French customs | Brexit | The Guardian

The reason for leaving was to give the flexibility and control to do things as we like, not sign up to an EU platform we have no control over.

The problem is Brussels still think we are a paid up member.  

It is strange, when we sign up to something like the science 2020 EU scheme they latter refuse us access and when we put in place our own customs scheme they refuse to acknowledge it is equivalent to their own. 

Why would you suppose that is.  

Edited February 1, 2022 by L.A.T.1961

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20 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

The reason for leaving was to give the flexibility and control to do things as we like, not sign up to an EU platform we have no control over.

The problem is Brussels still think we are a paid up member.  

It is strange, when we sign up to something like the science 2020 EU scheme they latter refuse us access and when we put in place our own customs scheme they refuse to acknowledge it is equivalent to their own. 

Why would you suppose that is.  

You won, we lost, enjoy your Brexit.