Huge lorry queues at Dover as port bosses call for talks on EU checks

[OpenMindedSceptic]

2 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

Again the proof is in the actions she takes - there was a little matter of a beheading of a king to establish the supremacy of the Parliament. What the Sobvereign was left with after that little incident was symbolic power and her assets.

How can you people be so ignorant of your own history.
 

 

Br Cornelius

Same way people can be ignorant of the powers and processes?

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Just now, OpenMindedSceptic said:

Same way people can be ignorant of the powers and processes?

Tell me when in the last 200years has this theoretical power been enacted ? name a single ac t of Parliament which has been blocked by the Sovereign. Name a single law that the Queen has brought to the statutes.


Br Cornelius

[OpenMindedSceptic]

7 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

You draw an odd conclusion from what I said, how were we supporting smugglers and fraudsters ?
I suppose your just yanking my chain hey.

 

Br Cornelius

You literally said it in the first line: 

Without such checks there is an open invitation to smuggling and fraud. 

The EU does away with the paperwork at borders ergo it is open to the smugglers and fraudsters, just like you said.

 

[OpenMindedSceptic]

Just now, Br Cornelius said:

Tell me when in the last 200years has this theoretical power been enacted ? name a single ac t of Parliament which has been blocked by the Sovereign. Name a single law that the Queen has brought to the statutes.


Br Cornelius

Like I said, she remains neutral by not using her power. Which is why she has been left to reign so long. But she still has the rights and option left open to her.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Just now, OpenMindedSceptic said:

You literally said it in the first line: 

Without such checks there is an open invitation to smuggling and fraud. 

The EU does away with the paperwork at borders ergo it is open to the smugglers and fraudsters, just like you said.

 

If you operate within the same legal jurisdiction with the same trade laws (the whole point of the EU) then such checks are not needed. Only when there is a divergence of laws and standards are they needed.

Br Cornelius

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Just now, OpenMindedSceptic said:

Like I said, she remains neutral by not using her power. Which is why she has been left to reign so long. But she still has the rights and option left open to her.

That is a theory not the reality. A power which cannot be exercised is no power at all - symbolic.

 

Br Cornelius

[OpenMindedSceptic]

3 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

If you operate within the same legal jurisdiction with the same trade laws (the whole point of the EU) then such checks are not needed. Only when there is a divergence of laws and standards are they needed.

Br Cornelius

They are different. Tax laws, rebates, protected goods,..... 

[Guest Br Cornelius]

5 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

They are different. Tax laws, rebates, protected goods,..... 

The point been obtusely missed is that in the EU there is an agreement to recognize each others jurisdictions and accept equivalence. As such the trades are on equal terms and there is no fraud or smuggling because the paperwork is recognized at the point of manufacture. This is basic stuff. There was always the option to remain in the common market and avoid all this.

 

Br Cornelius

Edited January 22, 2022 by Br Cornelius

[Guest Br Cornelius]

I learned about a decade ago that there's no mileage in arguing with a sovereign citizen. When you write your own definitions you always win any argument (in your head at least).

 

Br Cornelius

[Grey Area]

19 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

If you operate within the same legal jurisdiction with the same trade laws (the whole point of the EU) then such checks are not needed. Only when there is a divergence of laws and standards are they needed.

And yet we have a migrant crisis, where unknown thousands of people are trafficked across multiple unchecked borders.

But as long as the EU’s bottom line remains steady, who cares about a few trucks of corpses eh?

[Grey Area]

10 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

I learned about a decade ago that there's no mileage in arguing with a sovereign citizen. When you write your own definitions you always win any argument (in your head at least).

 

Br Cornelius

Oh BR, you’ll have fun with dreamer, he’s very interesting person.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Just now, Dreamer screamer said:

Then don't argue with one, because I never argue with one because 'sovereign citizen' doesn't exist in my book.  sovereign citizen = 2 jurisdictions which makes no sense at all.

An Island of one. As I said - a form of madness.
Lonely man standing on street corner shouting passages from the Bible and the Magna Carta - a very sad sight.

 

Br Cornelius

[Grey Area]

@Dreamer screamer where have you been young man, I missed your unique viewpoints… kinda.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

5 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

And yet we have a migrant crisis, where unknown thousands of people are trafficked across multiple unchecked borders.

But as long as the EU’s bottom line remains steady, who cares about a few trucks of corpses eh?

The migrant crisis is hardly an EU issue and is far more complex than you would imply.

 

Br Cornelius

[Grey Area]

1 minute ago, Br Cornelius said:

The migrant crisis is hardly an EU issue and is far more complex than you would imply.

 

Br Cornelius

So illegal migrants travelling in death traps across multiple EU borders, with free movement policies in place making checks all but non-existent is not an EU issue?

Trafficking gangs operating on EU soil, is not an EU issue?

Pull the other one BR.  I know the issue is complex, but to claim the EU has no responsibility here is naive.  And I know you are not that naive.

[Essan]

2 hours ago, Br Cornelius said:

Laughable logic. The British population chose to join the Common Market - the Queen had no power to stop the will of the people.
In the UK's Parliamentary Government the Queen only has symbolic power.

Br Cornelius

No, we chose, after the event, to remain in the Common Market

And we were never give the choice regarding joining the EU which is a completely different thing.   And that's why many voted to leave.   

A referendum in 1993 would have avoided a lot of angst.

Note: we didn't vote to leave anything else, that was all down to the arrogant selfish money obsessed morons in Parliament.  Whom we freely elected as the very very very best people in our communties to represent us.    And, since our average IQ is 14, we will no doubt do so again.  Before complaining how useless they are ..... 


btw we don't chop heads off our monarchs any more since we discovered that just results in the Taliban taking over.      The Queen, whilst having little power, is the reason we still have Christmas and our women are not obliged to dress head to foot in black, only be seen out with a male escort, whilst all Sundays are devoted to reading the Bible and nothing else.    Afghanistan?  Been there, done that.  I'm English    The 17th century was not fun.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

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btw we don't chop heads off our monarchs any more since we discovered that just results in the Taliban taking over.      The Queen, whilst having little power, is the reason we still have Christmas and our women are not obliged to dress head to foot in black, only be seen out with a male escort, whilst all Sundays are devoted to reading the Bible and nothing else.    Afghanistan?  Been there, done that.  I'm English    The 17th century was not fun.

... because the inevitable end point of Republicanism is a Muslim Kaliphate. Your line of argument is delusional.

 

Br Cornelius

[Guest Br Cornelius]

13 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

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Read it however you will.

All I have done is point out that what is happening at the boarder was both predictable and avoidable - but the government chose to ignore that. I also took a nice diversion into sovereign man LaLa land.

PS I don't think you meant to say depreciate.

Br Cornelius
 

[Silver]

And the delays may soon get worse.

At the end of September, the European Union’s new Entry/Exit System (EES) comes into effect.

Passengers from non-EU countries will have to carry out biometric checks at the border.

“I’m worried about EES,” says Doug Bannister, the chief executive of the Port of Dover.

“It works great at airports, where you have single passengers presenting themselves one at a time in an orderly fashion in a nice well-lit hall.

"Where it doesn’t work here, is there is no process, no technology, no design for a car-load of passengers transiting a busy ferry terminal on a dark stormy night. It just doesn’t not exist.”

New biometric checks at EU border in Dover, Kent, will cause 'miles of traffic jams' | ITV News

Edited January 23, 2022 by The Silver Shroud

[Silver]

13 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

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It is my country too. I think we are all trying to find a solution to the difficulties already here and on their way.

[Essan]

11 hours ago, Br Cornelius said:

... because the inevitable end point of Republicanism is a Muslim Kaliphate. Your line of argument is delusional.

 

Br Cornelius

I referening to the fundmentalist Christian Puritian regime we had under Cromwell       

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Just now, Essan said:

I referening to the fundmentalist Christian Puritian regime we had under Cromwell       

Which has nothing to do with the powers of the monarchy now, and even less with what could come after the monarchy.

 

Br Cornelius

[Essan]

1 minute ago, Br Cornelius said:

Which has nothing to do with the powers of the monarchy now, and even less with what could come after the monarchy.

 

Br Cornelius

No, but it's what happened last time   

[Duke Wellington]

2 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said:

It is my country too. I think we are all trying to find a solution to the difficulties already here and on their way.

Give over, all your posts are trying to tare down Britain in one form or another.

Which makes me think if you are so against my country why stay?

Edited January 23, 2022 by Cookie Monster

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, Br Cornelius said:

Which has nothing to do with the powers of the monarchy now, and even less with what could come after the monarchy.

 

Br Cornelius

Your understanding of English history is quite poor.

The outcome of our civil war was not a Parliamentary victory, but a compromise. One where the Monarch remains the head of state, retains control of the military, and retains a whole range of powers. The compromise was that the monarch doesnt create laws (instead they simply block or sign them off). It was done this way because Parliament at the time was unable to function effectively without a Monarch to intervene when necessary.

This is also why all democracies to this day have dual leadership - something equivalent to a Prime Minister and a Monarch/President.

Our Queen has used her powers several times during her reign. Please educate yourself. The most notable example was the sacking of the Australian Prime Minister Gough Whitlam in 1975. Queen Elizabeth's Immense Powers And The Times She Used Them (latintimes.com)

Edited January 23, 2022 by Cookie Monster