A former Trump official admitted he helped Rudy Giuliani with the fake electors scheme

[Vorg]

Accuse the other side of that of which you are guilty. Straight out of the Nazi playbook.

"They're gonna steal the election!!"

[el midgetron]

So, is there a certain time frame we can expect Trump to be locked up by? Or to reach that “end of the road”? Or whatever people expect this to result in? 
 

Im guessing if it doesn’t happen by November the very reliable media will have to move on to the next “end of Trump” soap opera story line. 

[Vorg]

1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

That's not really possible, unfortunately Trumps base is not financially part of the upper Middle Class or above. What's most sad is the fact that Trump bled is base way beyond what they could afford, but did Don care hell no he just keeps asking for more!!

The way he has refused to pay these election fraud lawyers, like Giuliani, simply because they failed, might come back to bite him in the ass when they start singing like songbirds over these slates of fake electors. 

[Tatetopa]

9 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

So, is there a certain time frame we can expect Trump to be locked up by? Or to reach that “end of the road”? Or whatever people expect this to result in? 

Nope.  There are no guarantees at all. The committee can assemble and publish the records, and first hand accounts of relevant parties, but they would have to refer it to DOJ  and nothing may happen at all.

[el midgetron]

 

4 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Nope.  There are no guarantees at all. The committee can assemble and publish the records, and first hand accounts of relevant parties, but they would have to refer it to DOJ  and nothing may happen at all.

Hmmm, this thread just got less interesting.

6 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

What you arecactually witnessing is the end of the road for Trump, and the sycophant Republican Representatives that enabled him.

1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

What they are going to do is take Trump off the playing board by exposing his treasonous Seditious acting by being the leader of election fraud. Its going to be very difficult for him to weasel his way out of this,

 

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

Here is another 6 page memo produced on Jan 3, also by John Eastman: This is where they finalize the pans to steal the election by substituting the fraudulent Electoral Documents for the acutal documents! It really seems unbelievable that the President of the United States and other Republican Representatives of Government would attempt such a treasonous seditious act. I never even suspected theat Donald trump and his inner circle would like a Criminal Crime Family, this is completely unprecedented in the history of the United States of America!!

Below is the begining of the 6 page memo: Which puts forth a complete and premeditated plan with alternative scenarios for defrauding the Election during the Electoral Vote Certification:

A six-page memo from a conservative lawyer working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team outlines numerous scenarios for then-Vice President Mike Pence to subvert the Constitution and throw out the 2020 election results.

Read the full memo, from conservative lawyer John Eastman and obtained by CNN:

PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL

Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the U.S. Constitution assigns to the legislatures of the states the plenary power to determine the manner for choosing presidential electors. Modernly, that is done via statutes that establish the procedures pursuant to which an election must be conducted.

I. Illegal conduct by election officials.

Quite apart from outright fraud (both traditional ballot stuffing, and electronic manipulation of voting tabulation machines), important state election laws were altered or dispensed with altogether in key swing states and/or cities and counties. When the laws at issue were specifically designed to reduce the risk of fraud in absentee voting, those violations are particularly troubling. A sampling of the more significant violations is as follows:

a. Georgia (as alleged in Trump v. Kemp et al. (N.D. Ga., filed Dec. 31) i. SOS altered signature verification requirements via an unauthorized settlement agreement. ii. Portable “polling places” targeted to heavily democrat ares iii. Refusal by the state judiciary to even assign a judge to hear the statutorily-authorized election challenge brought by the Trump campaign on Dec. 4.

b. Pennsylvania (as noted in Trump v. Boockvar et al. (S.Ct., filed Dec. 21) i. Following a collusive suit brought by the League of Women Voters against the Democrat Secretary of the Commonwealth seeking to require that absentee ballots not passing the signature verification process be given notice and an opportunity to cure, the Secretary unilaterally abolished the signature verification process altogether, issuing a directive that not only was it not required, it was not even permitted. She then filed an emergency writ action with the partisan- elected Supreme Court to ratify her elimination of that statutory requirement

ii. The PA Supreme Court agreed with the Secretary, but went further, also eliminating the statutory right of candidates to challenge illegal ballots during the absentee ballot canvassing.

iii. The PA Supreme Court next eviscerated the statutory requirement that candidates be allowed to have election observers, holding that 1 individual “in the room”—even if at the entrance of the football field- sized Philadelphia Convention Center—was sufficient.

iv. The PA Supreme Court then eviscerated the remaining validation requirements in state law, holding that the statutory requirement that a voter “fill in, sign, and date” the absentee ballot certificate was unenforceable because “fill in” was ambiguous, and because the date requirement served no purpose, in its view.

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c. Wisconsin (as noted in two cert petitions, Trump v. Biden, filed on Dec. 29, and Trump v. Wisc. Elections Comm’n, filed on Dec. 30) i. The use of unmanned drop boxes, not authorized in Wisconsin law ii. The use of so-called “human drop boxes”, also not authorized in Wisconsin law, and utilized in “Democracy in the Park” efforts coordinated by Dane County (Madison) election officials and the Biden campaign. iii. Allowed election officials to add missing information to absentee voter or witness declarations, contrary to law, which says such ballots must not be counted. iv. Dane and Milwaukee County clerks recommended that voters fraudulently claim to be “indefinitely confined” in order to avoid voter id requirements.

d. Michigan i. Mailed out absentee ballots to every registered voter, contrary to statutory requirement that voter apply for absentee ballots ii. Established remote drop boxes only in heavily Democrat precincts, without the statutorily mandated video surveillance. iii. Absentee ballots delivered at 3 am were counted without affording candidates the opportunity to observe, contrary to state law

e. Arizona i. Federal court reduced Arizona’s 29-day-before-election registration requirement.

f. Nevada i. Machine inspection of signatures, rather than the uman inspection of signatures mandated by state law, was allowed.

Because of these illegal actions by state and local election officials (and, in some cases, judicial officials, the Trump electors in the above 6 states (plus in New Mexico) met on December 14, cast their electoral votes, and transmitted those votes to the President of the Senate (Vice President Pence). There are thus dual slates of electors from 7 states.

II. The Constitutional and Statutory Process for Opening and Counting of Electoral Votes.

a. The 12th Amendment provides that “the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.”

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i. There is very solid legal authority, and historical precedent, for the view that the President of the Senate does the counting, including the resolution of disputed electoral votes (as Adams and Jefferson did while Vice President, regarding their own election as President), and all the Members of Congress can do is watch.

b. The Electoral Count Act of 1887, which is likely unconstitutional, provides:

If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title [the so-called “safe harbor” provision] to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State.

The votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.

i. This is the piece that we believe is unconstitutional. It allows the two houses, “acting separately,” to decide the question, whereas the 12th Amendment provides only for a joint session. And if there is disagreement, under the Act the slate certified by the “executive” of the state is to be counted, regardless of the evidence that exists regarding the election, and regardless of whether there was ever fair review of what happened in the election, by judges and/or state legislatures. That also places the executive of the state above the legislature, contrary to Article II.

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III. War Gaming the Alternatives.

a. VP Pence opens the ballots, counts those certified by the State executive, and does not receive any objections meeting the requirements of the Electoral Count Act. BIDEN WINS 306-232.

b. VP Pence opens the ballots, receives objections to the 7 states with multiple ballots. The two bodies adjourn to their separate chambers and decide which slate of electors to count.

i. House votes to count the Biden slate; Senate votes to count the Biden slate as well (depending on Georgia election, only 1-3 Republicans voting with the Democrats would yield this result. BIDEN WINS 306- 232.

ii. House votes to count the Biden slate; Senate votes to count the Trump slate. Under the Electoral Count Act, because the two houses do not agree, the slate certified by the “executive” prevails. BIDEN WINS 306-232.

iii. House votes to count the Biden slate; there is a filibuster in the Senate (contrary to the time limits of the Electoral Count Act). Stand-off until the filibuster ended by a cloture vote, which would only take 10- 12 Republican Senators to accomplish. After the cloture vote, either i or ii above. BIDEN WINS 306-232

c. VP Pence opens the ballots, determines on his own which is valid, asserting that the authority to make that determination under the 12th Amendment, and the Adams and Jefferson precedents, is his alone (anything in the Electoral Count Act to the contrary is therefore unconstitutional).

i. If State Legislatures have certified the Trump electors, he counts those, as required by Article II (the provision of the Electoral Count Act giving the default victory to the “executive”-certified slate therefore being unconstitutional). Any combination of states totaling 38 elector votes, and TRUMP WINS.

ii. If State Legislatures have not certified their own slates of electors, VP Pence determines, based on all the evidence and the letters from state legislators calling into question the executive certifications, decides to count neither slate of electors. (Note: this could be done with he gets to Arizona in the alphabetical roster, or he could defer Arizona and the other multi-slate states until the end, and then make the determination). At the end of the count, the tally would therefore be 232 for Trump, 222 for Biden. Because the 12th Amendment says “majority of electors appointed,” having determined that no electors from the 7 states were appointed (a position in accord with that taken by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here)), TRUMP WINS. 

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iii. Alternatively, VP Pence determines that because multiple electors were appointed from the 7 states but not counted because of ongoing election disputes, neither candidate has the necessary 270 elector votes, throwing the election to the House. IF the Republicans in the State Delegations stand firm, the vote there is 26 states for Trump, 23 for Biden, and 1 split vote. TRUMP WINS.

d. VP Pence determines that the ongoing election challenges must conclude before ballots can be counted, and adjourns the joint session of Congress, determining that the time restrictions in the Electoral County Act are contrary to his authority under the 12th Amendment and therefore void. Taking the cue, state legislatures convene, order a comprehensive audit/investigation of the election returns in their states, and then determine whether the slate of electors initially certified is valid, or whether the alternative slate of electors should be certified by the legislature, exercise authority it has directly from Article II and also from 3 U.S.C. § 2, which provides:

“Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct.”

i. If, after investigation, proven fraud and illegality is insufficient to alter the results of the election, the original slate of electors would remain valid. BIDEN WINS.

ii. If, on the other hand, the investigation proves to the satisfaction of the legislature that there was sufficient fraud and illegality to affect the results of the election, the Legislature certifies the Trump electors. Upon reconvening the Joint Session of Congress, those votes are counted and TRUMP WINS.

IV. BOLD, Certainly. But this Election was Stolen by a strategic Democrat plan to systematically flout existing election laws for partisan advantage; we’re no longer playing by Queensbury Rules, therefore.

The main thing here is that VP Pence should exercise his 12th Amendment authority without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001

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conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position -- that these are non- justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.

I have outlined the likely results of each of the above scenarios, but I should also point out that we are facing a constitutional crisis much bigger than the winner of this particular election. If the illegality and fraud that demonstrably occurred here is allowed to stand—and the Supreme Court has signaled unmistakably that it will not do anything about it—then the sovereign people no longer control the direction of their government, and we will have ceased to be a self-governing people. The stakes could not be higher.

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READ: Trump lawyer's full memo on plan for Pence to overturn the election - CNNPolitics

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

27 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

 

Hmmm, this thread just got less interesting.

 

Thats ok my friend when the Attoney General of the United States begins issuing warrents for arrest, your view will be different. You say that its all a plot to prosecute Trump, you can that its reticule's and then attempt to say well the democrats did this and they got away with it, or anything else you can think of at the moment. However, your opinion and my opinion do not matter because sedition was attempted against the United States and the guilty are going to be prosecuted.

Peace

[Grim Reaper 6]

55 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

The way he has refused to pay these election fraud lawyers, like Giuliani, simply because they failed, might come back to bite him in the ass when they start singing like songbirds over these slates of fake electors. 

I suspect it will, most of those people are senior citizens and any major jail sentance will be the same as life in prison because they will die there from old age. So they will cut deals, in reality the only one they really want is Trump, and Teflon Trump is missing his coating now there is just to much pointing directly at him!

By the way check out post 31, I found and posted another 6 page memo, by the same lawyer outlining Fraud scenaiors.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Manwon Lender

[Grim Reaper 6]

45 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Nope.  There are no guarantees at all. The committee can assemble and publish the records, and first hand accounts of relevant parties, but they would have to refer it to DOJ  and nothing may happen at all.

Your right Tate, but I doubt that will happen. Only 1 state out the 7 involved has stated they will not seek prosecution. The other 6 states have said they wanted the fraud prosecuted and have refered the cases to the DOJ.

Peace!

Check out post 31, I found and posted another memo by the same lawyer who was responsible for the first memo. The new memo is 6 pages long and it outlines all the scenarios they where reviewing for use on 6 Jan 2021.

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, psyche101 said:

I wonder what the final cost actually was 

The court cases and investigations had to be paid for by someone.

I have no idea how many millions of dollars have been spent!

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, el midgetron said:

Hmmm, this thread just got less interesting.

You gave yourself away there poor boy, too much media;  news has to be interesting to hold your attention.

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

in reality the only one they really want is Trump, and Teflon Trump is missing his coating now there is just to much pointing directly at him!

That might be true Manwon.  However he has some buddies like Roger Stone and Steve Bannon  that should be looked at closely too.

[el midgetron]

Just now, Tatetopa said:

You gave yourself away there poor boy, too much media;  news has to be interesting to hold your attention.

It was Manwen’s claims. The “news” droning on about Cheeto-Hitler is basically like white-noise to me at this point.

I guess if after being strung along about the Russia collusion thing for years you still find this kind of stuff “interesting” then I am your poor boy.

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, Tatetopa said:

That might be true Manwon.  However he has some buddies like Roger Stone and Steve Bannon  that should be looked at closely too.

I agree they certainly should, Stone is certainly a criminal and he also has much hides. Brannon is not only is criminal, he is also a White Supremest, if they seriously started dig into either one of them there would be a great deal of dirt found. But, I believe the largest focus will be on Trump. There is enough evidence to charge him along with the others involved in the seditious conspiracy that prosecution should be simple. This way if nothing else they can push Trump out of politics permanently.

Trump. his son and daughter were also just subpoenaed by the Attorney General of New York two days ago for a Tax Fraud hearing. It’s seems his children are in positions as part of the Trump Brand were illegal tax diversions occurred so in that case basically the entire family is behind the 8 ball not only with the state of NewYork but also withe IRS.

Time will tell Tate!

[Grim Reaper 6]

48 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

It was Manwen’s claims. The “news” droning on about Cheeto-Hitler is basically like white-noise to me at this point.

I guess if after being strung along about the Russia collusion thing for years you still find this kind of stuff “interesting” then I am your poor boy.

El Midgetron I don’t care what you think of my opinions, but obviously your more concerned than you claim you are little guy! If you didn’t care you would just go away and post somewhere else, but oh no, you keep coming back to inject your unsourced opinions.

So make any claims you choose, but don’t say you don’t care or that you it doesn’t matter because your only lying to yourself and nothing is worst than that!

Edited January 24, 2022 by Manwon Lender

[Vorg]

1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

Here is another 6 page memo produced on Jan 3, also by John Eastman: This is where they finalize the pans to steal the election by substituting the fraudulent Electoral Documents for the acutal documents! It really seems unbelievable that the President of the United States and other Republican Representatives of Government would attempt such a treasonous seditious act. I never even suspected theat Donald trump and his inner circle would like a Criminal Crime Family, this is completely unprecedented in the history of the United States of America!!

With Trump, none of this is surprising. 

Michael Cohen said he wouldn't have a peaceful transfer of power, knowing how Trump works - and he didn't.

Michael Cohen said Trump inflated and deflated real  estate assets, prompting the NY AG before Letitia James even became NY AG.

So it is not political, but driven by supposed crimes, and being criminally and civilly investigated.

Trump tried to stop the investigation into his real estate by claiming it is political and a witch hunt.

 

So now, seeing just a fraction of what the January 6th commission has uncovered with documents Trump tried to block, nothing is surprising anymore.

Had Mike Pence came through, Trump might still be in the oval office, and you can rest assured nothing or no one from the White house would even speak a word, you  know, the old "executive privilege" crap, and any investigations into these matters would be shut down.

[Vorg]

9 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

El Midgetron I don’t care what you think of my opinions, but obviously your more concerned than you claim you are little guy! If you didn’t care you would just go away and post somewhere else, but oh no, you keep coming back to inject your unsourced opinions.

So make any claims you choose, but don’t say you don’t care or that you it doesn’t matter because your only lying to yourself and nothing is worst than that!

Sad that people believe Trump is always the victim.

Just like his "locker room talk" video, in which he described "to the letter" of how he would sexually assault women.

In previous years prior to the video many women had filed lawsuits against him for exactly that which was described in his "locker room talk" video.

Poor victim Trump. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

Sad that people believe Trump is always the victim.

Just like his "locker room talk" video, in which he described "to the letter" of how he would sexually assault women.

In previous years prior to the video many women had filed lawsuits against him for exactly that which was described in his "locker room talk" video.

Poor victim Trump. 

Yes that’s all very true, but I have a feeling that the following depiction is how Trump will act if he is Charged!

[psyche101]

36 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

Sad that people believe Trump is always the victim.

Just like his "locker room talk" video, in which he described "to the letter" of how he would sexually assault women.

In previous years prior to the video many women had filed lawsuits against him for exactly that which was described in his "locker room talk" video.

Poor victim Trump. 

Wouldn't you pay good money to see him have to face up to their husbands?

I know I would. What a fund raiser that would be. It would make for a great night out.

Except the Maga hubbies who would probably want him to hit on them too. 

[the13bats]

4 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Thats not really possible, unfortunately Trumps base is not financially part of the upper Middle Class or above. Whats most sad is the fact that Trump bled is base way beyond what they could afford, but did Don care hell no he just keeps asking for more!!

Yeah, my dead mum just got an email from trump saying her payment to his causes didnt process and she needed to resend it.

His base would do without skoal, 308s and prem beer for as long as it takes to send their pennies and gov checks to the millionaire messiah,

What i am begaining to think is trump will never see a day at the grey bar hotel unless to visit friends or family and if they are locked up he long turned his back on them like he did goat boy, desk sitter mail stealer  and the rest he insisted in insurrection on the 6th,

So why all the furor about trump and his endless crimes? Certain parties not limited to the dems do not want to see him run 2024 and put the country thru another one of his costly time wasting comedy trantrums about having another election stolen from him,

His true worshipping base will remain bent knee and head down blind to his atrocities but more and more rational people see what he is really all about, 4 with him was a life costing and a big enough world wide embarrassing failure people dont want 4 more.

[the13bats]

21 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Wouldn't you pay good money to see him have to face up to their husbands?

I know I would. What a fund raiser that would be. It would make for a great night out.

Except the Maga hubbies who would probably want him to hit on them too. 

I recall a very self serving interview with an old burnt out evel kenevel,

He was spewing how in his prime countless women would beg to sleep with him and if their bfs or husbands didnt like it too bad the women wanted him that bad,

Sound familiar?

The twist, I could very much see maga hubbies being prideful to boast trump got their old lady.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

Yeah, my dead mum just got an email from trump saying her payment to his causes didnt process and she needed to resend it.

His base would do without skoal, 308s and prem beer for as long as it takes to send their pennies and gov checks to the millionaire messiah,

What i am begaining to think is trump will never see a day at the grey bar hotel unless to visit friends or family and if they are locked up he long turned his back on them like he did goat boy, desk sitter mail stealer  and the rest he insisted in insurrection on the 6th,

So why all the furor about trump and his endless crimes? Certain parties not limited to the dems do not want to see him run 2024 and put the country thru another one of his costly time wasting comedy trantrums about having another election stolen from him,

His true worshipping base will remain bent knee and head down blind to his atrocities but more and more rational people see what he is really all about, 4 with him was a life costing and a big enough world wide embarrassing failure people dont want 4 more.

First off sorry to hear about Mother didn’t know she had passed away. I think the Democrats have just been taking it easy and building a case since around September 2021. Now they are starting to open up the investigation to the public, because suspect very soon the Attorney General of the United States is going to files charges. The first I heard of this election fraud concerning the use of forged state Electoral Vote documents was in October 2021, and ever since little by little has been filtering out.

Then earlier this month they released the fact that the Republican Party, and Republicans from 8 states had been identified by signed and forged Electoral Vote Documents which were to be used to change the Electoral vote count on September 6 2021. Everything was planned and only had to be executed, but Vice President Pence made the right decision and didn’t implement Trumps plan. It pretty obvious Pence had been involved in the plot from the beginning, however it not known when he changed his mind and decided not to complete the final step of the fraud, which only he was able to do.

However, in my opinion I could careless when he decided to betray Trump, only that he did it. Which in my opinion make him stand above all the conspirators, and to me no matter what he is a honorable man, who would not sacrifice his integrity. It’s been an interesting thread so far, only one of Trumps supporters has posted here, and even though it’s only an attempt to stave off criticism I respect the fact that at least he has stood up unlike the rest!

Peace my friend!

[the13bats]

22 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

First off sorry to hear about Mother didn’t know she had passed away. I think the Democrats have just been taking it easy and building a case since around September 2021. Now they are starting to open up the investigation to the public, because suspect very soon the Attorney General of the United States is going to files charges. The first I heard of this election fraud concerning the use of forged state Electoral Vote documents was in October 2021, and ever since little by little has been filtering out.

Then earlier this month they released the fact that the Republican Party, and Republicans from 8 states had been identified by signed and forged Electoral Vote Documents which were to be used to change the Electoral vote count on September 6 2021. Everything was planned and only had to be executed, but Vice President Pence made the right decision and didn’t implement Trumps plan. It pretty obvious Pence had been involved in the plot from the beginning, however it not known when he changed his mind and decided not to complete the final step of the fraud, which only he was able to do.

However, in my opinion I could careless when he decided to betray Trump, only that he did it. Which in my opinion make him stand above all the conspirators, and to me no matter what he is a honorable man, who would not sacrifice his integrity. It’s been an interesting thread so far, only one of Trumps supporters has posted here, and even though it’s only an attempt to stave off criticism I respect the fact that at least he has stood up unlike the rest!

Peace my friend!

Thanks for the kindness, mom lived a long happy life.

Something i was taught on here was trumps subjects have no limits to their delusional lip service, remember how we were silly enough to wonder did a few from here hit the party on the 6th, afterall they did make posts that would make them seem that askew.

Ive noticed most of that rhetoric has stopped on here guess they didnt like the radar and lists it placed them on, 

Pretty much now even the most die hard trumpers are reduced to pale forums answer to beevis and butthead.

Yeah pence just wouldnt sell his soul for trump, good man, now im curious, you know my political military knowledge is limited,

Remember a few good men, and if you are given an order that you have to decide to carry out, it happened in the movie outbreak too where the pilots had to decide if they should nuke the town on orders that sounded shady.

So a lot of people have commited crimes pretty much being told to by they leader trump could they use that defense the commander and chief gave them an order to do so and get away with it on the basis of carrying out orders?

[Grim Reaper 6]

25 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Thanks for the kindness, mom lived a long happy life.

Something i was taught on here was trumps subjects have no limits to their delusional lip service, remember how we were silly enough to wonder did a few from here hit the party on the 6th, afterall they did make posts that would make them seem that askew.

Ive noticed most of that rhetoric has stopped on here guess they didnt like the radar and lists it placed them on, 

Pretty much now even the most die hard trumpers are reduced to pale forums answer to beevis and butthead.

Yeah pence just wouldnt sell his soul for trump, good man, now im curious, you know my political military knowledge is limited,

Remember a few good men, and if you are given an order that you have to decide to carry out, it happened in the movie outbreak too where the pilots had to decide if they should nuke the town on orders that sounded shady.

So a lot of people have commited crimes pretty much being told to by they leader trump could they use that defense the commander and chief gave them an order to do so and get away with it on the basis of carrying out orders?

No they can use the fact they given instructions as defense. Even in the military if you are given an illegal order you don’t have to follow it. But you had better be dam sure that the order given violated the confines of a legal order. For instance when when you take part in a combat mission you are given instructions before you depart. One of the most important instructions is call the ROE — Rules of Engagement, this simply explains when you are allowed to fire your weapon. In most cases this is where a conflict can occur and we’re illegal orders are given, by a lower level leader who for whatever reason decides the actual ROE should be violated.

But here is the kicker, if a soldier follows an illegal order they are subject to any crime committed. However, if they decline the order and they are able to prove what occurred they protected under The Uniform Code of Military Justice or the UCMJ. Now the same applies to the Republicans who followed Trumps orders in this case those who are identified and prosecuted have no recourse because Trump violated Constitutional Law. So the only conspirator who I can see walking away from this is Pence, however that depends if he violated other laws that have not been brought to light yet!

At the end of WWII during the trials at Nuremberg, Germany a legal precedent was set in stone. Following illegal orders is a crime and there is no defense for making that claim!

Peace Bats! 

[godnodog]

I'm starting to think that its only a matter of time that rumours of actual voter fraud in ballots in favor of Trump, after all some officials were asked about a  very specific amount of votes to "appear"
Obviously I cannot backup this, but with all the amount of BS that is starting to come public I would not be surprise