CDC: Study Confirms Natural Immunity Stronger Than Vaccines

[taniwha]

Bombshell Study: 

Natural Immunity Leaves Vaccines For Dead.

CDC forced to perform a major flip-flop, after  previously going against the grain in the Natural Immunity v Vaccine debate.

One can only hope that this type of positive news i.e the resorting to the science of 'factual' data continues to snowball, and all vaccine  mandates dissolve.  

"During America’s last surge of the coronavirus driven by the Delta variant, people who were unvaccinated but had previously recovered from COVID-19 were better protected than those who were vaccinated and not previously infected, a new study said Wednesday.'

https://www.timesofisrael.com/natural-immunity-was-more-potent-than-vaccines-during-us-delta-wave-study/

[LightAngel]

29 minutes ago, taniwha said:

 

One can only hope that this type of positive news i.e the resorting to the science of 'factual' data continues to snowball, and all vaccine  mandates dissolve.  

 

 

Yes, true science acknowledge natural immunity! 

 

[Gromdor]

Well yeah, the problem is that no one starts with natural immunity.  That's why we make vaccines- to introduce immunity into people without having to suffer the horrible (and often permanent) effects of the disease rather than rolling the dice to see who lives or dies. 

Stuff like this happens when you try the natural immunity only route: Czech coronavirus: Folk singer dies after deliberately getting infected with Covid-19 (msn.com) 

Edited January 23, 2022 by Gromdor

[Katniss]

It's best to quote and link the actual report.

 

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Summary

What is already known about this topic?

Data are limited regarding the risks for SARS-CoV-2 infection and hospitalization after COVID-19 vaccination and previous infection.

What is added by this report?

During May–November 2021, case and hospitalization rates were highest among persons who were unvaccinated without a previous diagnosis. Before Delta became the predominant variant in June, case rates were higher among persons who survived a previous infection than persons who were vaccinated alone. By early October, persons who survived a previous infection had lower case rates than persons who were vaccinated alone.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Although the epidemiology of COVID-19 might change as new variants emerge, vaccination remains the safest strategy for averting future SARS-CoV-2 infections, hospitalizations, long-term sequelae, and death. Primary vaccination, additional doses, and booster doses are recommended for all eligible persons. Additional future recommendations for vaccine doses might be warranted as the virus and immunity levels change.

 

COVID-19 Cases and Hospitalizations by COVID-19 Vaccination Status and Previous COVID-19 Diagnosis — California and New York, May–November 2021

So the study is about the Delta variant and doesn't include data for the omicron variant, which was done before booster shots were available.

[stereologist]

When it comes to omicron natural immunity is apparently 0% helpful while vaccines are helpful.

This seems to have been left out

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But authors of paper warn against depending on infection, given the higher risks of hospitalization, long-term impacts and death

The vaccines do not target the entire virus, but small bits and pieces. It should be no surprise that the immunity from the survivors of a particular strain are better protected for that strain.

The problem with immunity from an infection or immunity due to a vaccine is that the body's response diminishes over time. Then come boosters which make the vaccinated ready for the next round of variant. Those with immunity acquired from infection just get sick again.

Getting sick is such a low-brow strategy.

Edited January 23, 2022 by stereologist

[toast]

7 hours ago, taniwha said:

CDC forced to perform a major flip-flop, after  previously going against the grain in the Natural Immunity v Vaccine debate.

The major flip-flop is on you here. The numbers metioned in the article were generated from May 30 to November 30 in 2021. In November, the Omicron variant was in the starting blocks, designated by the WHO on 26 November 2021 as to be a variant of concern. So, no bombshell here.

Its always some kind of funny how you people try to provide "bombshells".

Edited January 23, 2022 by toast

[Only_]

18 minutes ago, stereologist said:

When it comes to omicron natural immunity is apparently 0% helpful which vaccines are helpful.

 

That's not exactly true. 'Killer'' immune cells from natural infection still offer protection against Omicron.

‘Killer’ immune cells still recognize Omicron variant

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00063-0

Still, I think people can benefit from a vaccine 6 months after natural infection.  You've then got the best of both worlds.

[stereologist]

21 minutes ago, Only_ said:

That's not exactly true. 'Killer'' immune cells from natural infection still offer protection against Omicron.

‘Killer’ immune cells still recognize Omicron variant

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00063-0

Still, I think people can benefit from a vaccine 6 months after natural infection.  You've then got the best of both worlds.

Thanks for the link. Quite interesting.

I was referring to initial data of omicron infections in which natural immunity did not appear to offer any protection. Saying 0% is clearly a mistake on my part.

I would recommend you get vaccinated and should you become ill with COVID you get the best of both worlds.

[taniwha]

3 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Well yeah, the problem is that no one starts with natural immunity.  That's why we make vaccines- to introduce immunity into people without having to suffer the horrible (and often permanent) effects of the disease rather than rolling the dice to see who lives or dies. 

Stuff like this happens when you try the natural immunity only route: Czech coronavirus: Folk singer dies after deliberately getting infected with Covid-19 (msn.com) 

But what is there to gain by hair-splitting the obvious?

It's at the very least a notable victory for the other side of the medical narrative.

Expert Doctors and specialists ridiculed and silenced, for all we know they are the force behind this revelation coming to light?

The important thing is that the CDC have finally conceded, as everybody now must concede, that Natural Immunity is/was infact a superior defence against re-infection, in this  case against Delta, by significantly much healthier margins compared to the vaccine than the CDC led the public to believe.

This is important considering they are at the forefront of the merciless campaign to jab everyone on the planet regardless if they are naturally immune or not.

It's also important to emphasize that the Czech singer was driven to desperate measures in an effort to thwart the defunct vaccine pass systems which survives heavily on the premise that vaccines are superior that this is a 'Pandemic of the unvaccinated'.

Her choice was ill-fated, she might of thought better of it had she sought medical advise. Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire, but better not to be standing in the middle of the flames when you do!

If you are calling out people's own immune system as rolling the dice of life and death,  what do you call a global experimental vaccine roll out?

[stereologist]

19 minutes ago, taniwha said:

But what is there to gain by hair-splitting the obvious?

It's at the very least a notable victory for the other side of the medical narrative.

Expert Doctors and specialists ridiculed and silenced, for all we know they are the force behind this revelation coming to light?

The important thing is that the CDC have finally conceded, as everybody now must concede, that Natural Immunity is/was infact a superior defence against re-infection, in this  case against Delta, by significantly much healthier margins compared to the vaccine than the CDC led the public to believe.

This is important considering they are at the forefront of the merciless campaign to jab everyone on the planet regardless if they are naturally immune or not.

It's also important to emphasize that the Czech singer was driven to desperate measures in an effort to thwart the defunct vaccine pass systems which survives heavily on the premise that vaccines are superior that this is a 'Pandemic of the unvaccinated'.

Her choice was ill-fated, she might of thought better of it had she sought medical advise. Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire, but better not to be standing in the middle of the flames when you do!

If you are calling out people's own immune system as rolling the dice of life and death,  what do you call a global experimental vaccine roll out?

What are you on about "a notable victory for the other side of the medical narrative"?

If you don't get vaccinated you stand a high chance of injury, hospitalization and long covid.  But if you get through that gauntlet you are better off than someone that avoided that? Seriously?

The anti-vaxxers are so weird.

Besides, the natural immunity gained from delta seems to be rather poor when it comes to omicron.

There is no global experimental vaccine roll out. That's the trash talk from those mainly dying - the fools that won't get vaccinated. They are the ones that are dying.

[Only_]

43 minutes ago, stereologist said:

I would recommend you get vaccinated and should you become ill with COVID you get the best of both worlds.

Unfortunately that wasn't always possible. Many people got infected with COVID before the vaccines were available.

In poorer nations, there is a serious problem of scarcity with vaccines.

Anyway, with a 75% breakthrough infection rate, people infected with Omicron should pause and think before rushing to get their booster shot.

 

 

Edited January 23, 2022 by Only_

[stereologist]

Just now, Only_ said:

Unfortunately that wasn't always possible. Many people got infected with COVID before the vaccines were available.

In poorer nations, there is a serious problem of scarcity with vaccines.

Anyway, with a 75% breakthrough Omicron infection rate, that should make people pause think before rushing to get their booster shot right after natural infection.

 

 

Why would anyone pause?  That's just ridiculous. Boosters are critical to keeping immunity levels as high as possible.

The article you linked to misses a great issue: time. How long has it been since vaccination or infection? Many rely on the effective of T-cells. That is a part of the story.

Here the CDC tells us to get that booster shot

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/

[taniwha]

1 hour ago, stereologist said:

When it comes to omicron natural immunity is apparently 0% helpful while vaccines are helpful.

This seems to have been left out

The vaccines do not target the entire virus, but small bits and pieces. It should be no surprise that the immunity from the survivors of a particular strain are better protected for that strain.

The problem with immunity from an infection or immunity due to a vaccine is that the body's response diminishes over time. Then come boosters which make the vaccinated ready for the next round of variant. Those with immunity acquired from infection just get sick again.

Getting sick is such a low-brow strategy.

0%???  That's about as useful as a good kick in the nuts then!   Good thing that "apparently" doesn't translate as "fact" lol 

Apparently most  who catch the big O will have 0% symptoms and be 0% wiser for it.

[stereologist]

1 minute ago, taniwha said:

0%???  That's about as useful as a good kick in the nuts then!   Good thing that "apparently" doesn't translate as "fact" lol 

Apparently most  who catch the big O will have 0% symptoms and be 0% wiser for it.

Actually that is fact so deal with it.

The fact that there are asymptomatic cases means what to you?

The anti-vaxxer appeal is based on being ignorant. It reminds of the teenager that thinks they won't be pregnant if they pretend they are not pregnant. Life doesn't work that way.

If you die of COVID you are dead. If COVID leaves you unable to read, barely able to breath, or headed to a dialysis unit that is what happens.

Vaccines are potent. They save lives and have for centuries.

People forget about the medical staff that have to deal with the stupids of the world that refuse vaccination and end up dying in front of medical staff. Those courageous and overlooked by the asinine anti-vaxxers see deaths as if a major war is raging. Medical students not expecting to see death are holding the hands of those that do not want to die alone again and again and again. Why? Because of the scum who are anti-vax.

[Grim Reaper 6]

9 hours ago, taniwha said:

Bombshell Study: 

Natural Immunity Leaves Vaccines For Dead.

CDC forced to perform a major flip-flop, after  previously going against the grain in the Natural Immunity v Vaccine debate.

One can only hope that this type of positive news i.e the resorting to the science of 'factual' data continues to snowball, and all vaccine  mandates dissolve.  

"During America’s last surge of the coronavirus driven by the Delta variant, people who were unvaccinated but had previously recovered from COVID-19 were better protected than those who were vaccinated and not previously infected, a new study said Wednesday.'

https://www.timesofisrael.com/natural-immunity-was-more-potent-than-vaccines-during-us-delta-wave-study/

First of all this is no bombshell study, anyone who has been closely following the evolution of SARS-Cov-2 was already aware that Natural Immunity ( immunity from infection ) was effective at protecting people who had a previous infection and survived the infection. However enhanced immunity ( Vaccine ) was also just as effective at protecting people as the Natural Immunity has been. Let me be clear on one thing, gaining Natural Immunity is certainly a very foolish thing to do, when vaccines are available for the following reasons.

1.  For a unvaccinated person to attain Natural Immunity they must become infected which is dangerous. When the Unvaccinated become infected they have 0% immune response to the infection so the Virus produces a very large Viral load until the bodies immune system starts to produce antibodies to fight the infection. According to medical journals discussing the subject, it takes approximately 2 weeks for the human body of an unvaccinated person to begin producing antibodies, which in many cases is to late.

2. Because of the fact that the Human body of an unvaccinated individual takes 2 weeks to recognize, and to start producing antibodies to fight the infection is why according to current medical data 80% plus of all deaths from Covid-19 are unvaccinated members of society!

However, what are we talking about when we say protecting people?

Well first off protecting people doesn’t mean PREVENTING infection by SARS-Cov-2 because neither form of immunity is able to totally prevent infection. However, what it does mean is that either form of immunity can prevent serious out comes from infection along with the related Hospitalization that unvaccinated members of our society deal with in almost all cases, and it can prevent the deaths that the unvaccinated are experiencing at a high rate.

Here is a updated report directly from the CDC Website that was released in January 2022:

Vaccination protected against COVID-19 and related hospitalization, and surviving a previous infection protected against a reinfection and related hospitalization during periods of predominantly Alpha and Delta variant transmission, before the emergence of Omicron; evidence suggests decreased protection from both vaccine- and infection-induced immunity against Omicron infections, although additional protection with widespread receipt of booster COVID-19 vaccine doses is expected. Initial infection among unvaccinated persons increases risk for serious illness, hospitalization, long-term sequelae, and death; by November 30, 2021, approximately 130,781 residents of California and New York had died from COVID-19.

Thus, vaccination remains the safest and primary strategy to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infections, associated complications, and onward transmission. Primary COVID-19 vaccination, additional doses, and booster doses are recommended by CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices to ensure that all eligible persons are up to date with COVID-19 vaccination, which provides the most robust protection against initial infection, severe illness, hospitalization, long-term sequelae, and death.***** Additional recommendations for vaccine doses might be warranted in the future as the virus and immunity levels change.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm

 

 

Edited January 23, 2022 by Manwon Lender

[stereologist]

COVID-19 Incidence and Death Rates Among Unvaccinated and Fully Vaccinated Adults with and Without Booster Doses During Periods of Delta and Omicron Variant Emergence — 25 U.S. Jurisdictions, April 4–December 25, 2021

Nice headline right?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm?s_cid=mm7104e2_w

It shows that getting a booster shot is important.

 

[taniwha]

1 hour ago, toast said:

The major flip-flop is on you here. The numbers metioned in the article were generated from May 30 to November 30 in 2021. In November, the Omicron variant was in the starting blocks, designated by the WHO on 26 November 2021 as to be a variant of concern. So, no bombshell here.

Its always some kind of funny how you people try to provide "bombshells".

Enormous Truth Bomb Explodes In Face Of Denial

Contact CDC

https://www.cdc.gov › contact › index.htm

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Rd. Atlanta, GA 30329-4027 USA 800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) TTY: (888) 232-6348 Contact CDC-INFO

 

...Not to mention the data was only made public 4 or 5 days ago 

 

Spoiler

KAAAAAABOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!

Other than that your spot on! 

[stereologist]

2 minutes ago, taniwha said:

Enormous Truth Bomb Explodes In Face Of Denial

Contact CDC

https://www.cdc.gov › contact › index.htm

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Rd. Atlanta, GA 30329-4027 USA 800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) TTY: (888) 232-6348 Contact CDC-INFO

 

...Not to mention the data was only made public 4 or 5 days ago 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

KAAAAAABOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!

Other than that your spot on! 

So basically you admit being wrong?

[stereologist]

Let's see what the recent CDC says

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During October–November, unvaccinated persons had 13.9 and 53.2 times the risks for infection and COVID-19–associated death, respectively, compared with fully vaccinated persons who received booster doses

So if you were unvaccinated your chance of death was more than 50 times the vaccinated!

[stereologist]

OMG, it looks like the CDC i supporting vaccines

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During April 4–December 25, 2021, a total of 6,812,040 COVID-19 cases among unvaccinated persons and 2,866,517 cases among fully vaccinated persons were reported among persons aged ≥18 years in 25 U.S. jurisdictions; 94,640 and 22,567 COVID-19–associated deaths among unvaccinated and fully vaccinated persons, respectively, were reported by December 4 (Table 1). Average weekly, age-standardized rates of cases and deaths (events per 100,000 population) were higher during periods of Delta predominance and Omicron emergence than during pre-Delta and Delta emergence periods and were consistently higher in all periods among unvaccinated persons (range = 64.0–725.6 [cases] and 1.5–11.4 [deaths]) than among fully vaccinated persons (range = 7.4–230.9 and 0.1–0.7).

If you don't get vaccinated your chances of bad are much higher.

Not surprising.

[Katniss]

26 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

1.  For a unvaccinated person to attain Natural Immunity they must become infected which is dangerous.

 

Exactly. It's like purposely getting snake bit from a venomous snake, then hoping you survive it. The survival rate is not always good. Too much of a gamble. But I guess some people like to gamble with their lives.

[stereologist]

Fabulous. I got a sad face from someone that doesn't want to hear the truth. That's ok.

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Rates of COVID-19 cases were lowest among fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose, compared with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, and much lower than rates among unvaccinated persons during October–November (25.0, 87.7, and 347.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) and December 2021 (148.6, 254.8, and 725.6 per 100,000 population, respectively)

OMG, more clear evidence that the anti-vaxxers are wrong. Vaccines work and save people.

They save people from death. They save people from long term illness. They save people from overwhelming medical expenses.

[Grim Reaper 6]

There is one addition point I would like to add concerning immunity.  When it comes to immunity, the best form of immunity is to have been infected and to have gained natural immunity, and then after recovery receiving full vaccination there are 2 ways to achieve this as follows.

1.  The first method is not recommended because it’s foolish and dangerous. This method requires someone to remain unvaccinated, then to become infected and recover. Next to finally realize how foolish their actions were, so they decide to receive the vaccination to protect themselves in case of future infection. However, sadly most unvaccinated individuals who survive an infection do not use their common sense and also get vaccinated so this scenario is not the normal out come after infection!

     1a. The reason why they choose not to become vaccinated is because they get their information from alternative media sites, from shock jock podcasts, or because they follow and believe the disinformation,conspiracy theories, along with the political rhetoric their political party is tell them.

2. The second method one can receive the benefits or both Natural and vaccine induced immunity is by getting vaccinated and than having a breakthrough infection. This method is the best and safest way to receive the benefits from both forms of immunity because the chance of a serious out come or death is very very greatly minimized. Now please don’t take my comments out of context, I am not advocating getting vaccinated and then purposely trying to catch Covid-19, hopeful that will never occur. However if it does your in the best shape possible under the circumstances.

[Only_]

1 hour ago, stereologist said:

Why would anyone pause?  That's just ridiculous. Boosters are critical to keeping immunity levels as high as possible.

Because natural Omicron infection is a 'booster shot'.

If you've are fully vaccinated, and got a breakthrough infection with Omicron you're essentially building COVID super-immunity.

It makes no sense, then to rush and get a 3rd dose immediately after that.

Edited January 23, 2022 by Only_

[stereologist]

6 minutes ago, Only_ said:

Because natural Omicron infection is a 'booster shot'.

If you've are fully vaccinated, and got a breakthrough infection with Omicron you're essentially building COVID super-immunity.

It makes no sense, then to rush and get a 3rd dose.

Ridiculously false. In no way ever is an infection a 'booster shot'.

Booster shots do not give you an infection. End of story.