stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #76 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The loonies that pretend that no one was injured or died while they got natural immunity are pathetic. Those pushing for natural immunity are corrosive to society. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted January 24, 2022 #77 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, stereologist said: And this is another falsehood: "occur massively as breakthrough infection cases" Not true either. Breakthrough cases are everywhere. I've read that in a state like Florida, 41% of Omicron infection are breakthrough cases. Quote Natural immunity has a time issue. So does COVID vaccine immunity. It naturally starts to wane after some time. Hence the booster shot(s). Edited January 24, 2022 by Only_ 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted January 24, 2022 Author #78 Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, stereologist said: Looks like the CDC know that the solution is vaccination and because of that pesky time issue people get boosters. The CDC have also back peddaled, accepting that Natural Immunity offers substantial benefits more than even the vaxxine RE: Delta That information is a bombshell. Perhaps a vaccine based around the workings of Natural Immunity should be considered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 24, 2022 #79 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Only_ said: Breakthrough cases are everywhere. I've read that in a state like Florida, 41% of Omicron infection are breakthrough cases. They also have a low vax rate. Around 64% after all this time Red state. Says a lot that. 3 minutes ago, Only_ said: So does COVID vaccine immunity. All links say vaccination is better. How do you find a mild discomfort for some people regarding vaccination is better than a week of horrible days, or longer, from Covid? Boosters can be timely issued to avoid a great deal of discomfort, and note importantly, saving others from that. Of you infected me because of your natural immunity beliefs, I'd like the option to due you for the loss of income and disruption to my life. Which would be fair IMHO. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #80 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Only_ said: Breakthrough cases are everywhere. I've read that in a state like Florida, 41% of Omicron infection are breakthrough cases. Now, a runny nose or a sore throat for a few days is nothing to worry about, but that shows Omicron largely evades immunity in fully vaccinated people. So does COVID vaccine immunity. Breakthrough cases are not the norm. Cases due to unvaccinated people is the bulkof the cases. No vaccine is 100%. The COVID-19 vaccines had been hoped to reach 75% but came up as high the low 90s% effective rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 24, 2022 #81 Share Posted January 24, 2022 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know%3famp=true 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #82 Share Posted January 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, taniwha said: The CDC have also back peddaled, accepting that Natural Immunity offers substantial benefits more than even the vaxxine RE: Delta That information is a bombshell. Perhaps a vaccine based around the workings of Natural Immunity should be considered Again the natural immunity is a fall back situation. In 2020 1.8 million died of COVID. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #83 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, psyche101 said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know%3famp=true Hole crap psyche101 Quote A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting re-infected is more than two times higher than for those who got vaccinated after having COVID-19. Another study published on Nov. 5, 2021, by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) looked at adults hospitalized for COVID-like sickness between January and September 2021. This study found that the chances of these adults testing positive for COVID-19 were 5.49 times higher in unvaccinated people who had COVID-19 in the past than they were for those who had been vaccinated for COVID and had not had an infection before. A study from the CDC in September 2021 showed that roughly one-third of those with COVID-19 cases in the study had no apparent natural immunity. So as I've stated frequently vaccination is far better than natural immunity 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted January 24, 2022 #84 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, stereologist said: Breakthrough cases are not the norm. Cases due to unvaccinated people is the bulkof the cases. Do you have any data to support that? Where I live the vaccination rate is 90% and the bulk of the cases is among the fully vaccinated. It doesn't make much difference whether you are vaccinated or not in terms of infection. What we are seeing is vaccinated people are less likely to end up hospitalized which is good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 24, 2022 #85 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, stereologist said: Hole crap psyche101 So as I've stated frequently vaccination is far better than natural immunity Yep, your spot on. I don't know what actually motivates these posters. One NZ poster some time back always refused vaccination of any type because it was white man's poison. I just hope we're not dealing with that sort of barbaric backward superstitious nonsense here. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 24, 2022 #86 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Only_ said: Do you have any data to support that? Where I live the vaccination rate is 90% and the bulk of the cases is among the fully vaccinated. It doesn't make much difference whether you are vaccinated or not in terms of infection. What we are seeing is vaccinated people are less likely to end up hospitalized which is good news. I call BS. Where do you live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted January 24, 2022 #87 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, stereologist said: So as I've stated frequently vaccination is far better than natural immunity There many studies contradicting that claim, but you choose to ignore them. Do you want me to post them again? 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 24, 2022 #88 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Only_ said: There many studies contradicting that claim, but you choose to ignore them. Do you want me to post them again? What about the three in the JH link that refuted the claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted January 24, 2022 #89 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, psyche101 said: I call BS. Where do you live? Quebec, Canada. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #90 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, Only_ said: Do you have any data to support that? Where I live the vaccination rate is 90% and the bulk of the cases is among the fully vaccinated. It doesn't make much difference whether you are vaccinated or not in terms of infection. What we are seeing is vaccinated people are less likely to end up hospitalized which is good news. Your own quote shows that to be the case, i.e. everyone is 100%. here is Virginia 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #91 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Only_ said: There many studies contradicting that claim, but you choose to ignore them. Do you want me to post them again? Your claim fail on many points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted January 24, 2022 #92 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, psyche101 said: What about the three in the JH link that refuted the claim? The fact that some studies contradict each others (vaccine immunity VS natural immunity) seems to make the case that hybrid immunity is the best form of protection you can get against COVID. Edited January 24, 2022 by Only_ 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #93 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Again Delaware shows that vaccination is important Unvaccinated Cases Total Unvaccinated / Partially Vaccinated Cases 10,663 Total Cases 18,910 Percent of Unvaccinated / Partially Vaccinated Cases 56% Hospitalizations Unvaccinated / Partially Vaccinated Hospitalized Cases 263 Total Hospitalized Cases 432 Percent of Unvaccinated / Partially Vaccinated Hospitalized Cases 61% Deaths Unvaccinated / Partially Vaccinated COVID-19 Deaths 23 Total COVID-19 Deaths 35 Percent of Unvaccinated / Partially Vaccinated COVID-19 Deaths 66% 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #94 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, Only_ said: The fact that some studies contradict each others seems to make the case that hybrid immunity is the best form of protection you can get against COVID. So we should expose people on purpose? 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #95 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The get sick and then vaccinate position is an anti-social stance. It borders on being sociopathic. The goal is to void sickness, and to not overwhelm the health system. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 24, 2022 #96 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Only_ said: Quebec, Canada. https://www.toronto.ca/news/breakthrough-infections-data-shows-vaccinations-are-effective-against-covid-19/ Toronto Public Health (TPH) data shows that vaccination has been effective in Toronto’s COVID-19 response, with breakthrough infections happening in only 0.17 per cent of fully vaccinated individuals in the city. This represents 3,936 cases among almost 2.3 million Toronto residents 12 and older who were fully vaccinated at the time this data analysis was completed. Only nine Ontarians under the age of 60 have ended up in the ICU with a breakthrough case of COVID-19 Numbers behind breakthrough COVID-19 cases in N.S. show vaccines work: expert 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted January 24, 2022 #97 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, stereologist said: So we should expose people on purpose? Omicron is taking care of that as it spreads more easily, which is why some scientists are studying super immunity relating to COVID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 24, 2022 #98 Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Only_ said: The fact that some studies contradict each others (vaccine immunity VS natural immunity) seems to make the case that hybrid immunity is the best form of protection you can get against COVID. So how did you come to the conclusion that the papers you have interpreted as a hybrid solution are the most accurate and should be the benchmark? What supports that conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #99 Share Posted January 24, 2022 What does Massachusetts have to say Percent of breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths of fully vaccinated individuals Fully vaccinated cases 6.76% Fully vaccinated hospitalizations .106% Fully vaccinated deaths .024% Source: Massachusetts Department of Public Health • Percent of all fully vaccinated individuals are based on Dec 18, 2021. 5,035,517 fully vaccinated number by the state. People are considered fully vaccinated after their second dose of Pfizer, Moderna or single dose of J&J. Earliest date at which some one would be considered fully vaccinated is January 19, 2021 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted January 24, 2022 #100 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Only_ said: Omicron is taking care of that as it spreads more easily, which is why some scientists are studying super immunity relating to COVID. So you want to expose people on purpose? That sounds like a sociopathic need on your part 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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