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CDC: Study Confirms Natural Immunity Stronger Than Vaccines


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38 minutes ago, Only_ said:

 

'Omicron is also distinguishing itself from previous waves in the number of breakthrough infections among those who’ve received two vaccine doses. Nearly 78 per cent of the new cases Tuesday arose in those who were administered two shots. In the past 28 days, 62 per cent of those hospitalized were doubly vaccinated.''

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/omicron-presents-unique-challenges-for-quebecs-hospitals

That's all going in a population that is 85,3% fully vaccinated. There are many, many breakthrough cases. How many are also not reported?

*bold are mine

I'm still calling BS.

 

That's one day. Have a look at the rest of them. And as stereo pointed out, the recommendation to get vaccinated at your own link.

 

Try this 

 

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html#a9

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9 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Sure looks like vaccinations are important in Canada.

There are definitely more unvaccinated people ending up hospitalized or worse. So vaccines are great tool.

However, let's not delude ourselves thinking breakthrough Omicron cases are not occuring on a large scale among the vaccinated.

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21 minutes ago, stereologist said:

You fail.

Not a study and it misses the booster.

And what is never mentioned? Time

Not a study?

It was recently published in the MedRxiv journal by a team of Qatari scientists.

As for time:

''The median time between prior infection and PCR test among cases and controls
was 279 days (interquartile range (IQR), 194-313) for Alpha, 284 days (IQR, 210-313) for Beta,
253 days (IQR, 159-375) for Delta, and 314 days (IQR, 268-487) for Omicron.''

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.05.22268782v1.full.pdf

 

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27 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

''for cases from December 14, 2020 up until January 01, 2021.''

Dude, we are in January 2022. Why do you keep posting pre-Omicron wave data?

Omicron has changed all that. The massive number of breakthrough cases occurred because of the Omicron variant. Not prior.

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19 minutes ago, Only_ said:

''for cases from December 14, 2020 up until January 01, 2021.''

Dude, we are in January 2022. Why do you keep posting pre-Omicron wave data.

Omicron has changed all that. The massive number of breakthrough cases occurred because of the Omicron variant. Not prior.

Like where the page says 

Figure 1a. Types of statistics

Count

 of Types of measures

cases (last 7 days)

 of COVID-19, by Types of statistics

province/territory

 as of January 20, 2022

 

That January 2022 you mean? 

 

I'm pointing out that your cherry picking an anomalous figure.

Here is last month's record (which has actually been tabulated showing the data is more complete)

There have been 126 cases of COVID-19 with an episode date between December 2 and December 9. Of those:

 

61 (48.4 per cent) were fully vaccinated

6 (4.8 per cent) were partially vaccinated

59 (46.8 per cent) were unvaccinated

There have been 6,853 cases from March 15 to December 9. Of those:

 

776 (11.3 per cent) were fully vaccinated

420 (6.1 per cent) were partially vaccinated

5,657 (82.5 per cent) were unvaccinated

There were 341 people hospitalized. Of those:

 

23 (6.7 per cent) were fully vaccinated

33 (9.7 per cent) were partially vaccinated

285 (83.6 per cent) were unvaccinated

Forty-four people died. Of those:

 

11 (25.0 per cent) were fully vaccinated

3 (6.8 per cent) were partially vaccinated

30 (68.2 per cent) were unvaccinated

 

https://novascotia.ca/news/release/?id=20211210011

 

Amazing what some perspective reveals. 

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3 hours ago, stereologist said:

The scum of the earth are the anti-vaxxers. Is there a problem here?

 

Yes, your language. It's corrosive, dehumanizing, vile and rooted in hatred for your fellow citizen who only two years ago you may have been friends with. 

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40 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

I'm pointing out that your cherry picking an anomalous figure.

Here is last month's record (which has actually been tabulated showing the data is more complete)

There have been 126 cases of COVID-19 with an episode date between December 2 and December 9. Of those:

 

61 (48.4 per cent) were fully vaccinated

6 (4.8 per cent) were partially vaccinated

59 (46.8 per cent) were unvaccinated

There have been 6,853 cases from March 15 to December 9. Of those:

 

776 (11.3 per cent) were fully vaccinated

420 (6.1 per cent) were partially vaccinated

5,657 (82.5 per cent) were unvaccinated

There were 341 people hospitalized. Of those:

 

23 (6.7 per cent) were fully vaccinated

33 (9.7 per cent) were partially vaccinated

285 (83.6 per cent) were unvaccinated

Forty-four people died. Of those:

 

11 (25.0 per cent) were fully vaccinated

3 (6.8 per cent) were partially vaccinated

30 (68.2 per cent) were unvaccinated

 

https://novascotia.ca/news/release/?id=20211210011

 

Amazing what some perspective reveals. 

Irrelevant.

On december 13, 2021, there was only 80 cases of the Omicron variant in Canada.

You keep posting pre-Omicron wave data, and now from a rural province (Nova Scotia). You are misinformed.

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https://www.todocanada.ca/new-canadian-modelling-shows-omicron-wave-peaking-at-nearly-200000-cases-a-day/

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20 minutes ago, Only_ said:

Irrelevant.

On december 13, 2021 there was only 80 cases of the Omicron variant in Canada.

You keep posting pre-Omicron wave data, and now from a rural province (Nova Scotia). You are misinformed.

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https://www.todocanada.ca/new-canadian-modelling-shows-omicron-wave-peaking-at-nearly-200000-cases-a-day/

That page is updated daily for a start 

Do you know the difference between a model and a report?

December 2021 is not pre omicron. 

Your link you just posted also refuted your claim. It says:

 

The modelling assumes that the Omicron variant is 3 times more transmissible than Delta, vaccine effectiveness decreases 50% with respect to Delta and booster doses increase effectiveness against infection to 70%.

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28 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

December 2021 is not pre omicron.

The Omicron wave has started at the end of December in Canada and is peaking as we speak.

The data you posted from early December is completely irrelevant.

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Your link you just posted also refuted your claim. It says:

 

The modelling assumes that the Omicron variant is 3 times more transmissible than Delta, vaccine effectiveness decreases 50% with respect to Delta and booster doses increase effectiveness against infection to 70%.

''We know by now that the level of antibodies needed to protect and not to got infected from omicron is probably too high for the vaccine, even if it’s a good vaccine,”

- Jennifer Gommerman, immunologist at the University of Toronto, Canada

Source: https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2022/1/20/22893064/covid-19-vaccine-booster-shot-stop-omicron-variant-symptoms-data-study

 

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2 hours ago, Only_ said:

The Omicron wave has started at the end of December in Canada and is peaking as we speak.

BS it was there actually in Quebec last November.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/americas/20211128-canada-detects-two-cases-of-omicron-covid-19-variant-the-first-confirmed-in-north-america

 

2 hours ago, Only_ said:

The data you posted from early December is completely irrelevant.

It's the only relevant data. January isn't over yet. Nothing has been compiled. You're working with daily counts which is how you applied your one day gotcha moment. 

2 hours ago, Only_ said:

''We know by now that the level of antibodies needed to protect and not to got infected from omicron is probably too high for the vaccine, even if it’s a good vaccine,”

- Jennifer Gommerman, immunologist at the University of Toronto, Canada

Source: https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2022/1/20/22893064/covid-19-vaccine-booster-shot-stop-omicron-variant-symptoms-data-study

 

And yet 70% with the booster as it says above.

 

You still haven't said why you think natural immunity is a better path. 

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6 hours ago, taniwha said:

Thanks for that, it's obvious stereologist is avoiding that very fact. He's more one-eyed than usual, monologist might be a better name lol

Asking for support by an audience because out of arguments anymore? Nice try, but sorry, no banana.

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1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

What's your point?

The Omicron variant didn't become dominant in Quebec until the end of December.

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It's the only relevant data. January isn't over yet. Nothing has been compiled. You're working with daily counts which is how you applied your one day gotcha moment. 

''In the past 28 days, 62 per cent of those hospitalized were doubly vaccinated.''

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/omicron-presents-unique-challenges-for-quebecs-hospitals

“Over the past week, an average of over 10,000 people with COVID-19 were being treated in our hospitals each day, surpassing peak daily numbers for all previous waves of the pandemic,” Dr. Tam said.

https://dailyhive.com/montreal/omicron-peak-canada-hospitalizations-icu

Those are real, up-to-date data coming from hospitals across Quebec.

On a population that has a 90% vaccination rate, one of he highest in the world.

You should just admit you were wrong, and move on.

 

 

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Look, convince yourself that you know all about it , don't take the vaccine if you don't want.    Give up on convincing us it is a smart idea.  A shot is better than drinking your own urine.   But. its cool  you are free to choose.  Wouldn't kiss you though.

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I made a magickal ritual to protect myself from Covid-19. No need of unnatural pharmacological products driven by profits and greed.

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39 minutes ago, Only_ said:

What's your point?

The Omicron variant didn't become dominant in Quebec until the end of December.

My point is it was there two months already. Delta still dominates ICU. 

Do you feel it lies dominant and then on some particular day its suddenly everywhere? How do you think you got to the peak? Your claim isn't reflected in the stats.

39 minutes ago, Only_ said:

''In the past 28 days, 62 per cent of those hospitalized were doubly vaccinated.''

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/omicron-presents-unique-challenges-for-quebecs-hospitals

“Over the past week, an average of over 10,000 people with COVID-19 were being treated in our hospitals each day, surpassing peak daily numbers for all previous waves of the pandemic,” Dr. Tam said.

https://dailyhive.com/montreal/omicron-peak-canada-hospitalizations-icu

Those are real, up-to-date data coming from hospitals across Quebec.

On a population that has a 90% vaccination rate, one of he highest in the world.

You should just admit you were wrong, and move on.

Not sure if you can help me, or if @stereologist might be kind enough to post the chart below

 

Which Quebecers are being hospitalized due to COVID-19?

A comparison of the seven-day rolling average of hospital admissions per 100,000 people with different vaccination statuses

UnvaccinatedNov 10, 20210.4Unvaccinated

 

at this link.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/covid-19-hospitalizations-drop-again-as-quebec-reports-33-deaths

As current as can be, but a bit simpler in the graph.

There's the answer. I'm not wrong.

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2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I made a magickal ritual to protect myself from Covid-19. No need of unnatural pharmacological products driven by profits and greed.

OK, but when you cannot breathe anymore please be consistent and avoid any kind of professional medical help but ask a tree or a pile of chicken bones for help instead. Thank you.

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2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I made a magickal ritual to protect myself from Covid-19. No need of unnatural pharmacological products driven by profits and greed.

Don't know how long that little placebo effect'll work. Make sure you take a multivitamin at least.

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9 hours ago, stereologist said:

 

Those pushing for natural immunity are corrosive to society.

 

Keep on fooling yourself it makes no difference to me.

"The Pandemic of the Unvaccinated" is an imaginary Bogey-man.

Bogus-man

How do perfectly healthy people pose a risk to you or anyone else if vaccines are working?

As always you can only catch covid from someone who has covid to begin with so in reality the pandemic remains as always, a "pandemic of the infected" and nothing more, no conspiracy, no agenda, no need for fear, division or hate.

Remember this, nobody here or anywhere else is bullying you or anyone else to "accept natural immunity or suffer the penalties" 

"No natural Immunity, no Job" mandates do not exist anywhere either.

Hopefully you snap out of your illusion and stop acting the victim before it's too late.

Here is a link you can enjoy and learn from all at once. Good luck :yes:

https://youtu.be/hzMhmk2sWzU

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12 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:
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  • So get your tinfoil hat along with your body suit, then construct a Faraday Cage and wait the coming vaccine out hopefully you will be fine!:lol:

          

 

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14 hours ago, stereologist said:

If you die of COVID you are dead.

Which, to be fair, is pretty solid protection against reinfection...

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9 hours ago, Only_ said:

Not a study?

It was recently published in the MedRxiv journal by a team of Qatari scientists.

MedRxiv is not a journal. It is a prepublication site where academics can share draft works with other academics before publication.

As such, articles there are not subject to peer review and should not be used to cite claims. It is not intended to to be used by the general public.

MedRxiv is very upfront about this on their own site:

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Caution: Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information

Are medRxiv preprints certified by peer review?

Manuscripts submitted to medRxiv are not certified by peer review, edited, or typeset before being posted online.

What is medRxiv’s Impact Factor?

medRxiv is not a journal so it has no Impact Factor.

https://www.medrxiv.org/

https://www.medrxiv.org/about/FAQ

The fact this is in massive red letters on the homepage suggests you are just mindlessly following links another uniformed person has given you. 

So please don't pretend you know what your source is.

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13 hours ago, Only_ said:

There are definitely more unvaccinated people ending up hospitalized or worse. So vaccines are great tool.

However, let's not delude ourselves thinking breakthrough Omicron cases are not occuring on a large scale among the vaccinated.

You claim large scale but show nothing to support large scale.

We all know that vaccines are not 100%. We know that over time the immunity wanes. We know that makes boosters important.

Here is the report from NYC and it looks like there is no large scale breakthroughs

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/omicron-ny-covid-cases-breakthrough-infection-fully-vaccinated-symptoms/3504616/

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New COVID infection data released by New York Thursday shows in the clearest terms yet the across-the-board retreat of the omicron wave, with both breakthrough and unvaccinated rates plunging by half since the last weekly report, which marked the first time either dipped since omicron emerged in the state.

The latest week of data, which covers the Jan. 10 week, shows 125.5 per 100,000 fully vaccinated New Yorkers were infected, nearly half the rate (243.5) from the prior week. For unvaccinated New Yorkers, the risk more than halved -- from 2,009 COVID infections per 100,000 to 996.4 in the latest period of study.

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13 hours ago, Only_ said:

Not a study?

It was recently published in the MedRxiv journal by a team of Qatari scientists.

As for time:

''The median time between prior infection and PCR test among cases and controls
was 279 days (interquartile range (IQR), 194-313) for Alpha, 284 days (IQR, 210-313) for Beta,
253 days (IQR, 159-375) for Delta, and 314 days (IQR, 268-487) for Omicron.''

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.05.22268782v1.full.pdf

 

Your first link was NOT to a study. Now you provide a different link.

Your new link is to a paper that has not been published. It has not been peer reviewed. We'll find out if this paper is of value at some point.

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12 hours ago, F3SS said:

Yes, your language. It's corrosive, dehumanizing, vile and rooted in hatred for your fellow citizen who only two years ago you may have been friends with. 

Thank you, but the anti-vaxxers have led to many deaths and injuries around the world due to their lies. They are the scum of the Earth

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8 hours ago, Only_ said:

What's your point?

The Omicron variant didn't become dominant in Quebec until the end of December.

''In the past 28 days, 62 per cent of those hospitalized were doubly vaccinated.''

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/omicron-presents-unique-challenges-for-quebecs-hospitals

“Over the past week, an average of over 10,000 people with COVID-19 were being treated in our hospitals each day, surpassing peak daily numbers for all previous waves of the pandemic,” Dr. Tam said.

https://dailyhive.com/montreal/omicron-peak-canada-hospitalizations-icu

Those are real, up-to-date data coming from hospitals across Quebec.

On a population that has a 90% vaccination rate, one of he highest in the world.

You should just admit you were wrong, and move on.

 

 

Let's see you claim that 90% of the people are vaccinated. Yet only 62% of hospitalized people were vaccinated.

That means that vaccinations are working otherwise 90% of hospitalized would have been vaccinated.

 

But let's check that 90% number. It looks like a falsehood. In fact, it is a big fat falsehood.

https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/situation-coronavirus-in-quebec/covid-19-vaccination-data

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Population who have received at least one dose (percentage)

85.5

It's like the US with not everyone getting fully vaccinated. Some only get 1 shot and stop.

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