Trucker convoy raises millions in funds as vaccine-hesitant supporters flock to cause

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

7 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Rathe

I know mechanics that refuse to work on some truckers rigs because they cut a hole in the floor of the rig so they can crap and cruise without stopping so really who are these dumb sh8ts

Oh really is it even possible to do that?

I loaded a few trucks in my time and I ain’t seen that.

[jmccr8]

Just now, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Oh really is it even possible to do that?

I loaded a few trucks in my time and I ain’t seen that.

Hi Rather 

yes they cutout a hole in the floor of the sleeper and they drive in teams

[odas]

16 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Covid is here to stay like the Flu and twenty boosters a year ain’t going to stop it so your problem is never going to be solved.

I personally am vaccinated but I believe in freedom of choice don’t like then stay home and let the rest of us live our lives.

And I would like to be free of politicizing a cause for personal gains. The go fund me page "for" the protesting truckers was started by the far right seperatist Maverick Party. That explains everything.

I do not want to be taken hostage by a minority with personal agendas. 

Ask those truckers that are protesting what they think about regular company drivers. Ask them about HOS, ELD...Resets..anything that has to do with trucking becoming a respected job. The ones who protest vaccines are the same ones who are opposed to ELD's, governors....anything that brings safety to our roads, other drivers and pedestrians.

Those are the same ones who continue underbidding loads from each other but mainly taking away company driver positions. And then of course they have to run illigel to make up the loss.

Give me a break. Those protesting sob's are why we have not returned to normal anyway.

 

[F3SS]

I can't predict the future but what are you going to do if these truckers cripple your supply system and refuse to get back to work? You might hate them for it but they might be holding a formidable set of cards in their hands. Scrap your mandates, public shaming and segregation policies. You'll never get everyone to take the shots and you'll never get everyone to take them religiously two to four times a year to stay up to date. Wake up, you can't control everybody. 

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, F3SS said:

I can't predict the future but what are you going to do if these truckers cripple your supply system and refuse to get back to work? You might hate them for it but they might be holding a formidable set of cards in their hands. Scrap your mandates, public shaming and segregation policies. You'll never get everyone to take the shots and you'll never get everyone to take them religiously two to four times a year to stay up to date. Wake up, you can't control everybody. 

Hi F3SS

I doubt that those truckers have stashes of food and toilet paper so they will have to deal with the same shortages as anyone else so not sure how they can hold out for long and should either get back to work or get out of the way for those that want to

[F3SS]

40 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi F3SS

I doubt that those truckers have stashes of food and toilet paper so they will have to deal with the same shortages as anyone else so not sure how they can hold out for long and should either get back to work or get out of the way for those that want to

Attrition will certainly dictate the end. Who knows how long they've prepped for though. Their gofundme page with over $5M was shut down and Treudau suddenly has a covid scare and is going home for 5 days. Very convenient to go against the truckers but you never know what hill some are willing to die on. Who knows but truckers do wield some power here. 

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, F3SS said:

Attrition will certainly dictate the end. Who knows how long they've prepped for though. Their gofundme page with over $5M was shut down and Treudau suddenly has a covid scare and is going home for 5 days. Very convenient to go against the truckers but you never know what hill some are willing to die on. Who knows but truckers do wield some power here. 

Hi F3SS

By here do you mean the US?

Trucking is an industry like any other and there is no money in idle trucks and people are replaceable so I doubt that it will last long. They may want to keep some trailers with signs on visually present but most drivers have been backed and will likely want to keep them selves flush with a paycheque and have given token support.

[F3SS]

17 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi F3SS

By here do you mean the US?

Trucking is an industry like any other and there is no money in idle trucks and people are replaceable so I doubt that it will last long. They may want to keep some trailers with signs on visually present but most drivers have been backed and will likely want to keep them selves flush with a paycheque and have given token support.

Here as in this particular situation. But also, everywhere I guess. I'm just saying we'll see what happens. If they have the means to stick to their guns then they can cause a serious uproar plus most of them are probably independent contractors so they won't get fired and by desperation and neccesity will remain in demand even a month from now if they were to hold out for so long. Not sure how things have been in Canada but people haven't been so easily replaceable in the US lately. Especially people driving big rigs costing many 10's used to hundreds of thousands of dollars new. 

Edited January 28, 2022 by F3SS

[psyche101]

On 1/25/2022 at 5:32 PM, glorybebe said:

A group of truckers is garnering millions in fundraising dollars as it drives across the country to protest vaccine mandates, despite the vast majority of big-riggers having been jabbed.

Setting off from Vancouver on Sunday, the group had raised $3.5 million from some 46,000 donors by Monday afternoon in support of truck drivers poised to converge on Ottawa this weekend, according to the campaign's GoFundMe page.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Business/357916/Trucker-convoy-raises-millions-in-funds-as-vaccine-hesitant-supporters-flock-to-cause

 

I keep hearing that 70s song

Why do they need millions of dollars to protest?

 

I can only imagine how many more better ways there would be to spend money like that.

 

What a bunch of jerks. 

[jmccr8]

43 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Here as in this particular situation. But also, everywhere I guess. I'm just saying we'll see what happens. If they have the means to stick to their guns then they can cause a serious uproar plus most of them are probably independent contractors so they won't get fired and by desperation and neccesity will remain in demand even a month from now if they were to hold out for so long. Not sure how things have been in Canada but people haven't been so easily replaceable in the US lately. Especially people driving big rigs costing many 10's used to hundreds of thousands of dollars new. 

Hi F3SS

From what I have read is that it is a minority of drivers and the majority are still driving so really don’t see much of a transport problem.

Yes their rigs cost money and for an independent driver/owner they will still have to make payments on equipment and credit cards that they use to pay for fuel, food and repairs. They have to make money to cover costs and support their families. They can choose not to get vaxed and even if they win here they will not be able to cross the border. They can look for Canadian routes if they have that option.

If they had a contract with me and pulled this then they likely would loose the contract and it would be given to someone who isn’t putting my finances at risk because of how they feel. Our constitution says that no man has the right to interfere with another man’s right to work.

Edited January 28, 2022 by jmccr8

[F3SS]

9 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

From what I have read is that it is a minority of drivers and the majority are still driving so really don’t see much of a transport problem.

Well hey, you're probably right. All I'm saying is that if there's enough of them and they have the will they can make a pretty big stink. 

9 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Our constitution says that no man has the right to interfere with another man’s right to work.

Unless it's the man who resides in a Capitol building, right? 

Edited January 28, 2022 by F3SS

[jmccr8]

Just now, F3SS said:

Unless it's the man who resides in a Capitol building, right? 

Hi F3SS

I haven't had anyone interfere with what I do since I left the union and Ottawa doesn't think this one lone wolf is worth getting bit over nor do I think that they are interested in what I do for the most part. I don't depend on their money they depend on mine.

[odas]

5 hours ago, F3SS said:

I can't predict the future but what are you going to do if these truckers cripple your supply system and refuse to get back to work? You might hate them for it but they might be holding a formidable set of cards in their hands. Scrap your mandates, public shaming and segregation policies. You'll never get everyone to take the shots and you'll never get everyone to take them religiously two to four times a year to stay up to date. Wake up, you can't control everybody. 

There are about 260000 truck drives in Canada. Of that number roughly 160000 are crossing the US-Canada border either dayly or in longer periods. Of those 160000 roughly 26000 are unvaccinated. The vaccination rate of Canadian truck drivers is on par with the overall population of 80-85% if not even higher.

True, we cannot control eveyone. But we will also not allow that 15% of our population controls the other 85%. Would you?

Even if we get rid of the vaccination requirement in Canada we are still stuck because the US has the same rules.

[+Paranoid Android]

On 1/27/2022 at 12:20 PM, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Quebec is now going to tax the unvaccinated and are now forcing the big box stores such as Walmart to deny the unvaccinated entry unless they produce a vaccine passport.

That's how science works. In case you didn't get my tone, this is sarcasm - I agree with you. Of course, if someone wants to go to the pharmacy section of Walmart, that's an essential service, so unvaccinated people are allowed to be escorted to the pharmacy at the very back of the Walmart store. There's no way to spread the virus if you are escorted by Walmart personnel, I'm sure I read that in a covid pamphlet once! 

I would not be surprised if vax passports were broadened to include essential services in the future, however. 

[F3SS]

1 hour ago, odas said:

There are about 260000 truck drives in Canada. Of that number roughly 160000 are crossing the US-Canada border either dayly or in longer periods. Of those 160000 roughly 26000 are unvaccinated. The vaccination rate of Canadian truck drivers is on par with the overall population of 80-85% if not even higher.

True, we cannot control eveyone. But we will also not allow that 15% of our population controls the other 85%. Would you?

Even if we get rid of the vaccination requirement in Canada we are still stuck because the US has the same rules.

Loud minorities get things done all the time. I've heard it only takes 3-5% of a population to start a revolution. Otoh, if 15% isn't a big deal then why the mandates? Why not be happy with such high compliance already? Also, what if they do stick to their guns? That's a lot of truckers/trucks. What if they remain adamant? It would take a military operation to haul them all away and get their trucks off the road. 

This 15% percent really doesn't want to control the other 85 though. All they want is to be left the hell alone. 

[odas]

12 hours ago, F3SS said:

Loud minorities get things done all the time. I've heard it only takes 3-5% of a population to start a revolution. Otoh, if 15% isn't a big deal then why the mandates? Why not be happy with such high compliance already? Also, what if they do stick to their guns? That's a lot of truckers/trucks. What if they remain adamant? It would take a military operation to haul them all away and get their trucks off the road. 

This 15% percent really doesn't want to control the other 85 though. All they want is to be left the hell alone. 

You are forgetting what their job is. Crossing borders and moving goods. There are unvaccinated truck drivers driving local and Canada only. Not a problem at all as long as it is not food. Also, mind you that GM, Ford,Toyota and Chysler have strict vaccination policies since November last year for employees, subcontractors ( that includes ALL truck drivers ) and visitors.

So the question is what have those on strike been hauling? Could not be food or automotive.

 

 

 

[F3SS]

2 hours ago, odas said:

You are forgetting what their job is. Crossing borders and moving goods. There are unvaccinated truck drivers driving local and Canada only. Not a problem at all as long as it is not food. Also, mind you that GM, Ford,Toyota and Chysler have strict vaccination policies since November last year for employees, subcontractors ( that includes ALL truck drivers ) and visitors.

So the question is what have those on strike been hauling? Could not be food or automotive.

 

 

 

Not everyone striking is unvaccinated. I don't know why it's so hard to understand that this is about mandates and personal choice. Anti-mandates does not equal antivax. Plenty of vaccinated people are as sick and tired as anyone else of governments trying to tell them and others what to do.

[odas]

1 hour ago, F3SS said:

Not everyone striking is unvaccinated. I don't know why it's so hard to understand that this is about mandates and personal choice. Anti-mandates does not equal antivax. Plenty of vaccinated people are as sick and tired as anyone else of governments trying to tell them and others what to do.

So am I. Sick of the masks, sick of waiting in lines, sick of the news. But I am not in any way doing anything to make the lives of others even more miserable than it is for everyone.

Last week there was another anti mask/vax protest in Toronto. My daughter was coming home from a grocery store-short walking distance. A grown man antivaxxer got in her face yelling about her mask. She was afraid.

If I was there seeing that I would have killed this ******* without thinking a second for endangering the life of my daughter in two ways. By coming close without a mask and reaching for hers.

I do not feel a little bit compation for the "freedom protest". They are not protesting for better wages, better highways, better hours, better safety or anything else that would improve every truckers life. To the contrary, they make the lifes of other vaccinated, hard working, responsible truck drivers even harder.

To hell with such scum.

 

 

[F3SS]

41 minutes ago, odas said:

To hell with such scum.

It's a shame how you've let yourself become so full of hate. 

[odas]

14 minutes ago, F3SS said:

It's a shame how you've let yourself become so full of hate. 

? See, I am a veteran. Not by choice. Had to keep my family, friends, neighbours and country safe from the enemy.

Now we have a common enemy. Covid19. I am again fighting, not by choice, to keep my family, friends, neighbours and country safe by wearing a mask all day and getting vaccinated.

Just like in a war, not everyone can fight. Not everyone can wear a mask or get the vaccine. I try to keep those people safe by doing what I am doing. They are not my enemy, just too weak to fight for now.

But, once you side with the enemy, in this case siding with Covid19, preventing others to win the fight, stand openly in our way...well then you become my enemy too.

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

40 minutes ago, F3SS said:

It's a shame how you've let yourself become so full of hate. 

As is all the vaccine proletariat.

The media have twisted this into anti-vaccination but mandates and masks conveniently omitted.

I walked into a gas station last week mask free,I wasn’t even challenged,I mean they ain’t going to refuse my payment.That is the point we are slowly becoming trained chimpanzee’s.

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

The media have twisted this into anti-vaccination but mandates and masks conveniently omitted.

Hi Rather

It is a mandate about vaccination so of course there are anti-vaxers involved and it is about them. Most people that have been vaccinated didn't do it because of mandates and chose to be a part of the solution whether you thinks so or not.

I don't hate or dislike anyone who chooses not to get vaxed but when it comes to client concerns and making money then yes I do have to consider the consequences. Everything in life has rules do you reject them because you find them offensive or do you follow them to achieve an end?

[Autochthon1990]

On 1/27/2022 at 2:19 PM, F3SS said:

I can't predict the future but what are you going to do if these truckers cripple your supply system and refuse to get back to work? You might hate them for it but they might be holding a formidable set of cards in their hands. Scrap your mandates, public shaming and segregation policies. You'll never get everyone to take the shots and you'll never get everyone to take them religiously two to four times a year to stay up to date. Wake up, you can't control everybody. 

Robot trucks could be the solution to the truck driver shortage (today.com)

Robots don't whine about having to do their part to get us through a global crisis. 

[F3SS]

1 hour ago, Autochthon1990 said:

Robot trucks could be the solution to the truck driver shortage (today.com)

Robots don't whine about having to do their part to get us through a global crisis. 

Yes and they're ready to deploy a 100k of them? Again, I don't think we're there yet

[odas]

5 hours ago, Autochthon1990 said:

Robot trucks could be the solution to the truck driver shortage (today.com)

Robots don't whine about having to do their part to get us through a global crisis. 

Sorry Auto, in that case I take rather an unvaccinated antivaxxer as a co driver.

Not sure if people know what it takes to drive a Big Rig. Just driving straight, backing up and opening the doors is only 5% of it.