Silver Posted January 25, 2022 #1 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Now even the UK police is investigating our government! Surely it is time to defund the police? We have already had C4 and the BBC criticising our PM, and despite the efforts of Dominic Raab and Nadine Dorries to close them down, they are still reporting news. We know that international commentators, economists, judges and their pesky rule of law are all critical of what Boris does, so should we just shut down democracy, all pretend Brexit was wonderful, and accept corruption, sleaze and poverty is part of our new life?: Sue Gray’s inquiry into No 10 parties is expected to be delayed while Metropolitan police officers conduct their own probe into the scandal. The Cabinet Office investigation will continue to take place, despite suggestions it would be “paused”. However, it may not emerge for several weeks while the police carry out their own inquiries. Cressida Dick, the Met commissioner, said there was “deep public concern” over the behaviour of government officials and on Tuesday confirmed her officers were “investigating a number of events that took place at Downing Street and Whitehall in the last two years in relation to potential breaches of Covid-19 regulations”. Boris Johnson latest news: Sue Gray’s No 10 party report set to be delayed | The Independent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Br Cornelius Posted January 25, 2022 #2 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Yes its good to see, but the fact that Sue Grey's inquiry will be delayed is pure corruption of the civil service to favour Johnsons interests. She should hold herself to far higher standards and it calls into question her impartiality. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer screamer Posted January 25, 2022 #3 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Nothing will come of this investigation. Even if it did, Boris isn't going to prison or facing any fine, I mean how can you fine someone with his family worth trillions? It's a joke. Look at Tony Blair, a mass murderer and aren't we still waiting to see if these mass weapons of destruction exist? Boris will be well looked after. It's all for show only. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted January 25, 2022 #4 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) I do hope the Police still have time to investigate - whilst focusing on birthday cake - where £5 BILLION in taxpayer funds went :- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/over-55bn-of-covid-support-funds-lost-to-or-error There are many good reasons for Boris to quit e.g. his lamentable handling (lack of) of cross channel migrants, but if eating cake - in his office, for ten minutes, on his birthday - is the best they can find. Edited January 25, 2022 by itsnotoutthere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 25, 2022 #5 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) So what were the standards for public gatherings at the time? Was it completely forbidden? Was it masks and 2 meters distance? Seems like meh. Edited January 25, 2022 by OverSword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted January 25, 2022 #6 Share Posted January 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: I do hope the Police still have time to investigate - whilst focusing on birthday cake - where £5 BILLION in taxpayer funds went :- Completely agree this should be investigated. Shame the current corrupt government you're desperate to prop up has decided not to do so. Makes you wonder which of their friends illegally took taxpayers money this time. Quote There are many good reasons for Boris to quit e.g. his lamentable handling of cross channel migrants, but if eating cake - in his office, for ten minutes, on his birthday - is the best they can find. I imagine it's more the public interest of the man who wrote the law deciding it doesn't apply to him than him celebrating his birthday. Which is also more than most of us got at the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted January 25, 2022 #7 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, OverSword said: So what were the standards for public gatherings at the time? Was it completely forbidden? Was it masks and 2 meters distance? Seems like meh. No indoor gatherings. At all. Which apparently doesn't apply to the person who passed that law. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 25, 2022 #8 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Setton said: No indoor gatherings. At all. Which apparently doesn't apply to the person who passed that law. Law? And so has the "law" been repealed? Are you sure it wasn't just a mandate and not law? Can you post it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted January 25, 2022 #9 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Setton said: No indoor gatherings. At all. Which apparently doesn't apply to the person who passed that law. Or all the Leaders attending the COP26 meeting. Edited January 25, 2022 by itsnotoutthere 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted January 25, 2022 #10 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 hours ago, OverSword said: Law? And so has the "law" been repealed? Are you sure it wasn't just a mandate and not law? Can you post it? Law. The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 3) (England) Regulations 2020 to be specific. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/coronavirus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted January 25, 2022 #11 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said: Or all the Leaders attending the COP26 meeting. Which did not take place while restrictions were in place. You know that, you live here. Why the lies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted January 28, 2022 Author #12 Share Posted January 28, 2022 (edited) The Met inquiry into the parties will be used to defuse the crisis so it can all be swept under the carpet. Hardly surprising when the Met were aware of what was happening at the time as they had police officers stationed within Downing Street. But the police were very keen to stop the "little people" breaking regulations and handing our fines, which are still being enforced. Corruption at the highest level in the UK. No wonder Johnson felt the need to announce to the world the UK was "not remotely corrupt" at Cop26- he sensed what would be continually uncovered as he continued as our PM: Fears were raised today that Sue Gray's Partygate report could be on hold for months or 'worthless' after police revealed they have asked for the document to be watered down. Scotland Yard said it has told the Cabinet Office there should be 'minimal reference' to lockdown breaches they are investigating as potentially criminal. The announcement sheds light on the delay to the inquiry findings being published, which had been expected days ago. And it could offer a lifeline to Boris Johnson, with the police probe not likely to be complete for weeks or even months. Partygate report 'should have minimal reference to potential crimes' | Daily Mail Online Edited January 28, 2022 by The Silver Shroud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted January 28, 2022 Author #13 Share Posted January 28, 2022 On 1/25/2022 at 4:30 PM, OverSword said: Law? And so has the "law" been repealed? Are you sure it wasn't just a mandate and not law? Can you post it? What is the difference? I mean that, what is the difference? Do you know? Mandates and laws are both legal, approved by Parliament and decided in courts. Educate us, I would really like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniwha Posted January 28, 2022 #14 Share Posted January 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, The Silver Shroud said: What is the difference? I mean that, what is the difference? Do you know? Mandates and laws are both legal, approved by Parliament and decided in courts. Educate us, I would really like to know. A mandates I think, is like a requirement or rule that is expected to be carried out by decree, so it doesn't have the full weight of legislation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 28, 2022 #15 Share Posted January 28, 2022 5 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said: What is the difference? I mean that, what is the difference? Do you know? Mandates and laws are both legal, approved by Parliament and decided in courts. Educate us, I would really like to know. Since you ask mandates are not created through the normal channel that laws are. They are an executive branch decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted January 28, 2022 #16 Share Posted January 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, OverSword said: Since you ask mandates are not created through the normal channel that laws are. They are an executive branch decision. As far as I'm aware, the UK doesn't have an equivalent to the mandates the US has outside of wartime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 28, 2022 #17 Share Posted January 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Setton said: As far as I'm aware, the UK doesn't have an equivalent to the mandates the US has outside of wartime. We shouldn't either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted January 28, 2022 #18 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, OverSword said: We shouldn't either. Kind of goes against the whole 'nation of laws', right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 28, 2022 #19 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Setton said: Kind of goes against the whole 'nation of laws', right? Unless done legally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 28, 2022 #20 Share Posted January 28, 2022 8 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said: What is the difference? I mean that, what is the difference? Do you know? Mandates and laws are both legal, approved by Parliament and decided in courts. Educate us, I would really like to know. Quote There are three main types of UK Statutory Instrument: 'Orders', 'Regulations', 'Rules'. However, there is no limit imposed on the descriptions that may be given to Statutory Instruments. Other examples include 'Scheme', 'Direction' and 'Declaration'. Different types of instruments serve different functions, but they all have the same legislative force. Prior to 1948, when the Statutory Instruments Act 1946 came into force, the equivalent instruments were known as 'Statutory Rules and Orders'. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/understanding-legislation#parliamentsandlegislationtypes Not everything thing has to go through Parliament. I'm guessing some powers are with the Minister (the executive) or their delegate. Do you use the term "delegated law" in the UK? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted January 29, 2022 Author #21 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Experts have warned that Boris Johnson's administration is more corrupt "than any UK government since the Second World War". Researchers at Sussex University's Centre for the Study Corruption warned that the "absolute failure of integrity at No 10" could have potentially serious consequences for the UK if allowed to fester. It comes as opposition figures warned of the "appearance of an establishment stitch-up" over an inquiry into rule-breaking at Downing Street. The Metropolitan Police on Friday said it had asked civil servant Sue Gray to remove key details of potential illegality from her long-awaited report into the Partygate scandal - citing a need not to prejudice its own separate investigation. Corruption experts warn Boris Johnson’s government is worst since WWII (msn.com) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted February 18, 2022 #22 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Sue Gray tells No10 staff they can see partygate notes on them before responding to police Downing Street staff who are under investigation for allegedly attending Covid-19 lockdown-breaking gatherings will be allowed to read evidence gathered about them by civil servant Sue Gray, before answering police questions. ITV News has seen a leaked letter written to staff by Ms Gray, who led the Cabinet Office investigation into claims of parties in Number 10 during the pandemic. In it she grants staff - including the prime minister - limited access to notes taken about them during her internal inquiry. https://www.itv.com/news/2022-02-18/no10-staff-allowed-to-view-partygate-notes-on-them-before-responding-to-police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted February 19, 2022 #23 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Boris Johnson hands in police questionnaire on ‘partygate’ Boris Johnson has completed and returned the questionnaire he was sent by Scotland Yard, in which he was expected to defend his attendance at alleged parties under investigation. The prime minister was asked by police to fill in the form on Friday 11 February, as part of the “Operation Hillman” investigation into social gatherings in breach of Covid rules between 20 May 2020 and 16 April 2021. No 10 confirmed the prime minister has complied with a Metropolitan police request for his answers to be submitted within a week of receiving the form last Friday. Downing Street has previously said his responses will not be made public. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/19/boris-johnson-partygate-hands-in-police-questionnaire-met-covid-rules-downing-street Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted March 28, 2022 #24 Share Posted March 28, 2022 No 10 lockdown breaches: Met police expected to issue first fines The first fines for lockdown breaches in Downing Street are expected to be issued imminently after Scotland Yard concluded that laws were broken at the heart of government, sources have told the Guardian. Multiple government insiders said the Metropolitan police had made referrals for the first tranche of fixed penalty notices (FPNs) connected with parties and gatherings being investigated by police in No 10 and the Cabinet Office. It comes two months after the force began examining material from the Whitehall inquiry carried out by the senior civil servant Sue Gray into multiple alleged breaches of Covid rules. The Met has sent questionnaires to more than 100 members of staff and aides, including Boris Johnson and his wife, Carrie; the head of the civil service, Simon Case; and the prime minister’s former principal private secretary, Martin Reynolds. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/28/no-10-lockdown-breaches-met-police-expected-to-issue-first-fines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted April 2, 2022 #25 Share Posted April 2, 2022 First Downing Street officials receive £50 lockdown party fines Officials have begun to receive emails giving out £50 fines for attending Downing Street parties, according to sources. After the Metropolitan police said on Monday that they were issuing 20 penalty notices, emails have gone out to some of those involved, who the police “have a reasonable belief” attended gatherings during lockdown. Government sources said the Met appeared to have tackled the “low-hanging fruit first” by concentrating on parties where those involved had acknowledged their participation. The Met suggested the fines were issued as part of a “first tranche”, indicating that more could be handed out in relation to more complicated events where those involved are denying having attended illegal gatherings. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/01/first-downing-street-officials-receive-50-lockdown-party-fines-boris-johnson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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