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Computer models predict the collapse of society by 2040


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33 minutes ago, UM-Bot said:

A prediction from the 1970s has since been corroborated by several independent researchers.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/354948/computer-models-predict-the-collapse-of-society-by-2040

So, computers know more than we do , where did they get their intelligence from , the people who put into these p.c's should be sectioned and put into the nearest mental facility . Computers cannot predict the future and neither can humans .

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"Okay so it's either total ecological collapse, or we stop using so much dinosaur juice to run ****." "...Is ecological collapse potentially profitable?"

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1 hour ago, spud the mackem said:

Computers cannot predict the future and neither can humans .

During a steep dive, both a pilot and an auto pilot can predict that if nothing is done, an airplane  will impact the ground.  That is predicting the future.

An astronomer can calculate by hand or using a computer the position a planet will be in a year or 50 years time, assuming it doesn't get hit by a surprise asteroid.

You might be counting on human intelligence and free will to avoid predictable catastrophe. Can you count on that?

 

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1 hour ago, spud the mackem said:

So, computers know more than we do , where did they get their intelligence from , the people who put into these p.c's should be sectioned and put into the nearest mental facility . Computers cannot predict the future and neither can humans .

 

 

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Even if we take wars and climate change out of the equation, our society is doomed to failure.

All academic models and forecasts conclude that Capitalism is unsustainable when poorer countries become more developed.

The figures don't add up.

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3 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

So, computers know more than we do , where did they get their intelligence from , the people who put into these p.c's should be sectioned and put into the nearest mental facility . Computers cannot predict the future and neither can humans .

Ever seen a 5-day weather forecast ?

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1 hour ago, acute said:

All academic models and forecasts conclude that Capitalism is unsustainable when poorer countries become more developed.

Well, not to sound cynically, but isn't that why they keep those places unstable and keep starting wars there?

Afghanistan sure isn't gonna become a rich nation anytime soon...

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@Orphalesion

A major successful economy depends on profits. But it is growth in profits, not just breaking even.

As soon as you have no significantly poorer countries to profit from, the whole thing goes tîts-up.

 

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Yes, I think the economical system we are having today will collapse, and that we have to go over to a new system not based on growth. Today, you just have to buy some stocks in stable companies or mutual funds, and wait for 5 years, and then you are almost guaranteed to have more money, i.e. money multiplies by itself without you doing anything. On the other hand, earth's resources are finite. This doesn't add up I think.

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2 hours ago, Orphalesion said:

Well, not to sound cynically, but isn't that why they keep those places unstable and keep starting wars there?

Afghanistan sure isn't gonna become a rich nation anytime soon...

Afghanis want to be an Allahu Akbar nation.

If they want rich in the equation, they’ll need to sort that out.

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3 hours ago, acute said:

Even if we take wars and climate change out of the equation, our society is doomed to failure.

All academic models and forecasts conclude that Capitalism is unsustainable when poorer countries become more developed.

The figures don't add up.

True.  They ESPECIALLY don't add up when governments choose to flood worthless Fiat currencies to the point where trust is lost.  IMO, we're just waiting on the triggering event that will collapse the world economy.

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19 minutes ago, and then said:

we're just waiting on the triggering event that will collapse the world economy.

...again?

Would only be the third in the last 15 or so years.

(I know you mean a much more serious event, but I wanted to share some gallows humour)

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It'll be a collapse of civilized society. Each day, the world closes in on the last bastion of freedom. Enjoy it while you can.
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Meanwhile on the border of Ukraine.......Sorry..........Meanwhile in a wetmarket in China...............

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Mean while, don't worry... everything is going to be OK with America 

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Well, fascism is on the rise in the US. And we're not doing a damn thing about climate change.
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10 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

So, computers know more than we do , where did they get their intelligence from , the people who put into these p.c's should be sectioned and put into the nearest mental facility . Computers cannot predict the future and neither can humans .

First response and we already got a clown answer. And of course questionable logic like this almost always comes from someone who doesn't even know how to punctuate or structure their sentence properly.

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This is laughable.

Other science based predictions:

Imminent ice age. As prophesied in 1974 from satellite imaging.

Food rationing in the USA by the 1980's.

Acid rain to kill all lake life by 2000.

Venice to be submerged numerous predictions.

Sea rise to have reshaped the UK coast by 2020.

No more snow to be seen in UK after 2007.

Y2K bug to start meltdowns at Nuclear power plants with a plane or two dropping from the skies.

I could go on.

You don't see the clapperboard wearing, The end of world is nigh, fellows any longer. Seems they went into data modelling.

Every prediction failed to hit the mark.

 

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2 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

Imminent ice age. As prophesied in 1974 from satellite imaging.

No, as predicted by (subsequent AGW sceptic) science writer Nigel Calder.   And, despite receiving widespread publicity at the time (mainly due to a BBC documentary) not supported by science.   Indeed, even in his 1974 book (The Weather Machine) he admitted that most scientists instead thought increasing CO2 levels would lead to global warming.

[quote]Acid rain to kill all lake life by 2000.[/quote]

Only if nothing was done to reduce acid rain.  Guess what we did?

[quote]Venice to be submerged numerous predictions.[/quote]

It is, more and more frequently

[quote]No more snow to be seen in UK after 2007[/quote]

Don't recall this one.  But the prediction that it would be an increasingly rare event in (lowland) England has proven very true, with increasing frequency of entirely snow-free winters (such as this one, thus far) - which were previously entirely unknown - and widespread, heavy snow, very unusual these days. 

[quote]Y2K bug to start meltdowns at Nuclear power plants with a plane or two dropping from the skies.[/quote]

See acid rain


Everyone of those predictions hit the mark or failed only because of preventative measures. 

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All you have to do is look where we are now, and look where we came from..Crimes are legal up and down the west coast, 100's of thousands live in tents and boxes, Millions have quite their jobs etc.

...Leave it to beaver we are not..The direction we are headed in by looking at where we came from is whats giving the indication that things are not looking good.... 

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1 hour ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

This is laughable.  Other science based predictions: ... Every prediction failed to hit the mark.

And how about those recent computer models - the C-19 ones with outcomes varying by several thousand percent?  According to the most doomsday forecasts we should al be dead a dozen times over by now.  Which is silly - nobody I know has died more than twice so far.

But we shouldn't scoff - all they've done is attempt to calculate the point where consumption overwhelms production, something everyone since Malthus has wondered about.  And don't forget that the source of the story is Lad Bible, where we all turn for deep, insightful, scientific analysis and research.  The only thing missing is an in-depth, authoritative TickTock video explaining everything in 30 seconds using a screeching backing track and lots of emojis.

7 hours ago, Seti42 said:

Well, fascism is on the rise in the US.

Still?  I don't follow the US news as closely as I should, but I thought Antifa were fairly quiet at the moment?  Or do you mean the woke mob shouting down anyone and everything they disagree with?  That sounds dangerously fascist to me but unlikely to end the world any time soon.

10 hours ago, Wreck7 said:

It'll be a collapse of civilized society. Each day, the world closes in on the last bastion of freedom. Enjoy it while you can.

What d'you reckon that last bastion of freedom will actually be?  For me a vaccine mandate is a horrific invasion of person freedom (given that the FDA has half a million pages of information on the Pfizer vaccine but can't/won't produce the data that shows it's safe), but as long as we've got Netflix and beer I'll suffer a monthly injection of booster chemicals (so long as someone else is paying for it).

7 minutes ago, brokenbutcher2016 said:

All you have to do is look where we are now, and look where we came from.  Crimes are legal up and down the west coast, 100's of thousands live in tents and boxes, Millions have quit their jobs etc.

9 hours ago, Gumball said:

Meanwhile on the border of Ukraine.......Sorry..........Meanwhile in a wetmarket in China...............

Exactly - just some of the issues beyond the remit or scope of a computer model designed in the 1970s.  Which pre-dates the fall of the Soviet Union, the rise of China, home computing, mobile phones, Internet, DNA-sequencing, GMO crops, 9-11, Greta No-fun-berg, PapaG's ingenious imagination... basically everything that shapes today's world and society.

In the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov he describes an interstellar empire so huge and so interlinked that mathematicians can model trends up to and including the collapse of the society into effectively tribal warfare, and then humanity's gradual regrowth back to civilisation.  Those books were written in the 1950s as imaginative science fiction; this computer model 20 years later seems little more than an ill-considered attempt to quantify Asimov's psychohistory.  I don't imagine the authors took its predictions too seriously.

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Some predictions come true and some don't but it is inevitable that we will not survive unless we curb and reduce the population of the planet. This is what is causing all the problems of today, pollution, global warming and possible mass distinction are all caused by one thing, "too many people" Will any society have the "balls" to make this happen, I don't think so. 

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