Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Gunn]

26 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

If that’s true then that is just sad. 

Ah hell man, it happens all the time here. I've been here since 2010, long enough to recognize a dozen or so of top posters' posting styles and word usage. Hell there's about a dozen or so right now on this forum that had former accounts here and started up a new one for whatever reasons. Although I've never seen someone use two accounts before like this, just to be an argumentative troll like that. One is enough I think. Guess he's feeling ganged up on. lol.

Edited May 1, 2022 by Gunn

[Buzz_Light_Year]

58 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

This must be the most laughable thing I've read in years.  They weren't right, they were extremely far right. 

Nazism was a genuine socialist movement and thus left-wing by modern American standards. However since Nazism displayed both traits of extreme left and extreme right then whatever side of the coin flip you choose it would make you neither right nor wrong.

But intellectuals such as Thomas Sowell drown out your laughable comment.

[el midgetron]

7 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

No, the left doesn't call everyone a nazi, only those that fit the description.  Someone like Putin. 

What is nazism anyway?

It's a far right extremist movement.  Some of it's ideological traits represent Totalitarian, Authoritarian, Racist, Nationalist and Traditional values, Expansionism, Economic disparity in favour of the elite class. I read these traits and Putin seems to fit the description to a tee.

The nazi propaganda from this guy towards the Ukraine is so hypocritical it's just laughable how he's managed to persuade so many fools in this world. 

Some of the notes from this interesting article:

• Some have pointed out the far right received only 2 per cent of the vote in Ukraine's 2019 parliamentary elections, far less than in most of Europe.
• Ukraine's Jewish president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, and the efforts of the Ukrainian state to protect minorities like Crimean Tatars and LGBTQ+ people, who are subject to brutal persecution in Russia.
• 1990s, when Russia was shaken by a wave of racist violence committed by neo-Nazi skinhead gangs. After Putin's accession to the presidency in 2000
• the Kremlin launched "managed nationalism", an attempt to co-opt and mobilise radical nationalist militants, including neo-Nazis, as a counterweight to an emerging anti-Putin coalition of democrats and leftist radicals
• Moving Together, a pro-Putin youth organisation notorious for its campaign against postmodernist literature, made the first move by reaching out to OB88, the most powerful skinhead gang in Russia.
• To insulate Russia against the contagion of pro-democracy protest, the Kremlin transformed Moving Together into a more ambitious project called "Nashi", or "Ours".
• As part of its preparations to confront a potential democratic uprising in Russia, Nashi enlisted football gang members, whose subculture overlapped with the neo-Nazi underground.

If you're still interested, read the following part in the article, (Putin's) Neo-Nazi leaders implicated in killings.  It tells a lot about how Putin has managed to eliminate freedom of press and expression, all opposition and has managed to encircle himself with yes men that profit from his autocratic rule as a dictator.

Oh, I understand now, Ukraine doesn’t have A Nazi problem Russia does. Thank goodness we can blame Russia for building statutes and naming streets in Ukraine after Nazi collaborators. 
https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/

…and Russian provocateurs for holding a yearly rally in Ukraine to honor a Nazi collaborator.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-march-in-ukraine-in-annual-tribute-to-nazi-collaborator/

….and 40 Democrat puppets-of-Putin for advocating to have Azov labeled a terrorist organization.

https://freeeaglenetwork.substack.com/p/40-house-democrats-signed-a-2019?s=r

…..apparently it was Russia  that established C14 as a municipal guard that polices the streets of Kiev.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s-got-a-real-problem-with-far-right-violence-and-no-rt-didn-t-write-this-headline/

….it’s also apparently Russians in Ukraine that commonly call black people the N-word.

"It is not uncommon for Ukrainians to refer to African-Americans as “[N-Word]”. 

https://www.peacecorps.gov/ukraine/preparing-to-volunteer/diversity-and-inclusion/

The list cloud go on and on and on….

The difference between Ukraine Nazis and Russian Nazis is my country isn’t funding Russian Nazis. 

 

[Black Red Devil]

1 hour ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Nazism was a genuine socialist movement and thus left-wing by modern American standards. However since Nazism displayed both traits of extreme left and extreme right then whatever side of the coin flip you choose it would make you neither right nor wrong.

But intellectuals such as Thomas Sowell drown out your laughable comment.

The Socialist movement you're refering to was the German Workers Party which then changed to the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (Nazi in brief).  When Hitler joined and became leader the Party it had nothing to do with Socialism anymore. He kept the Sozialitische reference to the Party for good propaganda which served him well in convincing the Germans at the start of his tyranny.

 

[Black Red Devil]

50 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Oh, I understand now, Ukraine doesn’t have A Nazi problem Russia does. Thank goodness we can blame Russia for building statutes and naming streets in Ukraine after Nazi collaborators. 
https://forward.com/news/462916/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-ukraine/

…and Russian provocateurs for holding a yearly rally in Ukraine to honor a Nazi collaborator.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-march-in-ukraine-in-annual-tribute-to-nazi-collaborator/

….and 40 Democrat puppets-of-Putin for advocating to have Azov labeled a terrorist organization.

https://freeeaglenetwork.substack.com/p/40-house-democrats-signed-a-2019?s=r

…..apparently it was Russia  that established C14 as a municipal guard that polices the streets of Kiev.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s-got-a-real-problem-with-far-right-violence-and-no-rt-didn-t-write-this-headline/

….it’s also apparently Russians in Ukraine that commonly call black people the N-word.

"It is not uncommon for Ukrainians to refer to African-Americans as “[N-Word]”. 

https://www.peacecorps.gov/ukraine/preparing-to-volunteer/diversity-and-inclusion/

The list cloud go on and on and on….

The difference between Ukraine Nazis and Russian Nazis is my country isn’t funding Russian Nazis. 

 

The Ukraine is so indoctrinated into Nazism that only 2% of people voted for the far right, they elected a Jewish President and surprise, surprise, they have free, democratic elections unlike Russia and they don't have some Autocratic dictator who kills or imprisons all his opponents, has eliminated free press, puts people in prison for 15 years for just talking against the war, has gotten journalists killed for telling the truth, has invaded several of his neighbours sovereign territory and is threatening to strike with nukes anyone that interferes with his murderous conduct.

Your country isn't only funding Nazi's, it's run by Nazi's.   Like your leader, you and you're links are just full of BS propaganda that little to nobody in this forum swallows.

[Duke Wellington]

2 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Is this actually the Crynaz (not Spetsnaz) training guide for Ukraine operations when captured?

Then appear on camera and cry about how they want their mummies lol.

[spartan max2]

11 hours ago, el midgetron said:

Entitlement. Protect our skies. Rescue our soldiers. The billions pouring into Ukraine has created a spoiled child, 

Entitlement is a weird way to look at people asking for help from their home being invaded and destroyed....

You really seems to hate the victims of this war.

Like if someone doesn't want to help them for other reasons than sure, I can understand that.

But the hostility you have towards Ukrainians just dosen't make sense. Russia is the aggressor here. 

[DarkHunter]

4 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Entitlement is a weird way to look at people asking for help from their home being invaded and destroyed....

You really seems to hate the victims of this war.

Like if someone doesn't want to help them for other reasons than sure, I can understand that.

But the hostility you have towards Ukrainians just dosen't make sense. Russia is the aggressor here. 

He claims to hold this extreme ideological position where essentially if a nation has any far right/nazi elements in its government or military, regardless of how small a faction the whole government and military of said nation are nazis and along with not deserving of any foreign aid, deserve whatever massacres and atrocities happens to them since they are nazis.

It's a ridiculous position to hold but if you follow his post through this thread that is essentially what he argues.  I personally think it's a more palpable cover for not wanting to oppose Russia at any level.

[Black Red Devil]

Status Quo almost with minimum gains in the East for Ukraine and small gains in the south for Russia.

 

[spartan max2]

6 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

He claims to hold this extreme ideological position where essentially if a nation has any far right/nazi elements in its government or military, regardless of how small a faction the whole government and military of said nation are nazis and along with not deserving of any foreign aid, deserve whatever massacres and atrocities happens to them since they are nazis.

It's a ridiculous position to hold but if you follow his post through this thread that is essentially what he argues.  I personally think it's a more palpable cover for not wanting to oppose Russia at any level.

If that's all it takes than he should really hate Trump and disparage him whenever he comes up, since he gets votes from KKK members after all. Since Nazis existing in your nation is apparently all it takes for an entire nation and group of people to be dismissed by him 

Odd I never see him do that 

Edited May 1, 2022 by spartan max2

[ExpandMyMind]

4 hours ago, Stiff said:

I honestly don't know how one of his own agencies haven't taken him out yet. Surely someone must have some idea of his movements/schedules, or given the corruption there, it should be obtainable. It wouldn't be too hard to place a sniper/s, strategically somewhere for a clear head shot. There's got to be at least a handful of his hierarchy that are getting worried about his mental state and the possible future of their own families under a threat of global nuclear conflict. Unless of course, they know that he's bluffing. It must still be a worry for them though, even if that is the case.

At least 5 Russian oligarchs and some of their families have ‘committed suicide’ since the war began. Putin has been clearing house.

[DarkHunter]

Starting to be rumors that Valery Gerasimov was wounded yesterday in the attack that supposedly killed the other Russian major general.  Valery Gerasimov was at the Izium front so it's not impossible but hasnt been confirmed.

[spartan max2]

1 minute ago, ExpandMyMind said:

At least 5 Russian oligarchs and some of their families have ‘committed suicide’ since the war began. Putin has been clearing house.

But of course. Putin, as a classic megalomanic, the losses can't be HIS fault. It must be someone else's. Someone else to blame like his generals lol

[ExpandMyMind]

1 hour ago, Black Red Devil said:

The Socialist movement you're refering to was the German Workers Party which then changed to the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (Nazi in brief).  When Hitler joined and became leader the Party it had nothing to do with Socialism anymore. He kept the Sozialitische reference to the Party for good propaganda which served him well in convincing the Germans at the start of his tyranny.

 

This is just basic history. It’s literally taught in schools, so it’s very strange to see this new fad of claiming that Nazis were actually liberals or socialists.

I had the same argument here a couple of months ago. A quick Google search is all they have to do.

[DarkHunter]

5 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

At least 5 Russian oligarchs and some of their families have ‘committed suicide’ since the war began. Putin has been clearing house.

To be fair it might not be Putin clearing house.  A lot of the oligarchs have personal grudges against each other and would have little issue in killing each other.  Putin essentially acted as a referee between disgruntled oligarchs and kept them from acting out too much, if Putin is starting to lose his authority in his inner circles it's very possible the oligarchs are going to start settling scores themselves.

[Occult1]

Russia is laying ground to advance on Mykolaiv and Kryvyi Rih, says General Staff

''In a general overview of combat activity in the country, the General Staff informs that recent Russian movements have been focused on advancing on the Pivdennyi Buh River front, which would enable them to take more of Ukraine’s southern territories.

In the country’s northeast, near Kharkiv, the Russian military continues to launch air strikes on the city and advance towards the towns of Barvinkove and Slovyansk, from Izyum.

Moscow is concentrating ever more forces in the area: up to 300 units of military equipment and 1,000 “mobilized” troops from Russia-controlled areas of Donetsk and Luhansk have recently been deployed there.''

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-laying-ground-advance-mykolaiv-102000311.html

 

UK: Russia could sustain advance in Ukraine

United Kingdom Ministry of Defense estimated on Sunday that "[e]nduring control over Kherson and its transport links will increase Russia's ability to sustain its advance to the north and west" of Ukraine and solidify the Kremlin's "control" over Crimea and its security.

London added that the Russian ruble "is due to be used in Kherson from today" and that Moscow's comments on the local situation show "Russian intent to exert strong political and economic influence in Kherson over the long term."

https://www.teletrader.com/uk-russia-could-sustain-advance-in-ukraine/news/details/57789512

 

Looks like Russia isn't done.

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

Another railroad bridge was blown up in Russia, this time in Kursk oblast near Sudza.

[Occult1]

4 hours ago, Gunn said:

lol. Naw man it's a guy that lives here in the U.S. and dude has been using two accounts in this very thread under VPN. He did have another account here years ago and he was extremely outspoken back then against U.S. involvement in foreign wars (Iraq war, Afgan war, etc.) and always had a hard on for Ron Paul during the Obama years. I recognized his posting style, tone and some of the usual words he uses from back then and in his two new accounts. Man it was funny because he use to rile people up both sides (conservs and libs), but I think he pushed his luck to the point he irritated the mods and I suspect his old original account got perma banned.

My advice to him is to stop using both accounts in this thread, VPN or no VPN, since the thread he created (the Nazi thread in this forum section), and was using the other account with it, got closed about month ago before he started posting in this thread.

It's funny how some people are jumping through hoops just to try to dismiss the facts I'm posting. Instead of refuting my arguments, they try to discredit me with all sorts of accusations. It's a nice story you just created but i'm afraid it's not true. Now back to the topic.

Edited May 1, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

6 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

It's funny how some people are jumping through hoops just to try to dismiss the facts I'm posting. Instead of refuting my arguments, they try to discredit me with all sorts of accusations. It's a nice story you just created but i'm afraid it's not true. Now back to the topic.

There is no arguments to refute, your sources largely come from either Russian state media or you selectively quoting western media in such a way that it largely goes against what the article is actually saying.  

You said Kyiv would fall in days and it didnt, you said the Ukranian government was about to collapse and it hasn't, you said Ukraine's airforce and air defense has been destroyed and it hasnt, you said Russia has total air superiority over Ukraine and they dont, and currently their is the Donbas offensive which by near every account is failing while you claim it's on the verge of the destruction of the Ukranian army.  You have completely and utterly discredited yourself multiple times.

[+Razman]

1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

Starting to be rumors that Valery Gerasimov was wounded yesterday in the attack that supposedly killed the other Russian major general.  Valery Gerasimov was at the Izium front so it's not impossible but hasnt been confirmed.

Did they get Dvornikov yet?

[DarkHunter]

The Ukranian, Freedom of Russia Legion (seen it translated a few different ways) which is made up on defected Russian soldiers who have sworn loyalty to Ukraine are now fighting in the Donbas front.  Seems the unit is a couple hundred strong at minimum.

Probably be demoralizing to Russian troops to learn they are fighting against people they were recently fighting with.

[DarkHunter]

Just now, razman said:

Did they get Dvornikov yet?

The rumor as it stands now was that a group of approximately 20 generals was at the HQ that was targeted by Ukranian artillery.  According to the rumor most of the generals were killed, only one has been named so far, with Gerasimov supposedly wounded in the leg and evacuated back to Moscow.  Just to reiterate all of this is only a rumor so far but it does seem from circumstantial evidence that atleast one Russian general was killed with Gerasimov wounded.

Given his rank and importance I vant see Dvornikov that close to the front lines.

[+Hammerclaw]

26 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

It's funny how some people are jumping through hoops just to try to dismiss the facts I'm posting. Instead of refuting my arguments, they try to discredit me with all sorts of accusations. It's a nice story you just created but i'm afraid it's not true. Now back to the topic.

[DarkHunter]

10 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

I counted on the Wikipedia page last week. Russia only had 70 generals total before this war started.

That’s almost 20% of their generals.

The wikipedia page doesnt list every Russian general, as of 2008 Russia has over 1,100 generals.  The military structure of Russia is radically different from the west in that they have essentially no NCOs but make up for it by having extra generals who take on some of the duties an NCO would be expected to fulfill.  It creates a stupidly top heavy leadership structure for the Russian military.

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

Starting to be rumors that Valery Gerasimov was wounded yesterday in the attack that supposedly killed the other Russian major general.  Valery Gerasimov was at the Izium front so it's not impossible but hasnt been confirmed.

Is Gerasimov supposed to be the mastermind who was going to straighten things out at the front? It is a pretty big morale blow if he is taken out, and if he is a military genius, he must be a prime target.