Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[godnodog]

3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

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I think we can surmise that the liberation of the entire Donbass and large parts of the south of Ukraine constitute a victory for Russia.

 

See, here you are again showing why you're pro Putin 

[Helen of Annoy]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

So you advocate for the imprisonnement of everyone who has a critical stance on the Russia-Ukraine conflict? That sounds like totalitarianism. Thankfully, western countries have freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech does not include freedom for enemy propaganda, or promoting criminal activities in general.

(Please note that when you appear as if you need such clarifications, it creates rather unfavorable impression about your cognitive status.)

Your consistent expression of personal support for proven war criminals is legal, indeed it is, but your effort to spread their disinformation is not. The West so far tolerated disinformation campaigns of its adversaries, but it is becoming increasingly clear such extravagant permissiveness is very stupid idea.  

 

There's nothing totalitarian in disabling enemy disinformation and other forms of propaganda, just like there's nothing totalitarian in having laws against murder and similar crimes, as well as against false testimonies related to such crimes. To put in words a child would understand: Your freedom of speech does not mean you can yell fire in a crowded theater, or go around lying to protect a murderer, or spread disinformation with clear intention to advance enemy agenda. 

 

The bottom line is that once this WWIII thing warms up a bit more, all those childish interpretations of freedom of speech and even more immature need to worship the opposite of the society to which you owe everything you have, will get you in the type of problems you absolutely do deserve. Congratulations. 

Now hop back on topic, you need to add some more material to your future Russian collaborator evidence file. 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

So you advocate for the imprisonnement of everyone who has a critical stance on the Russia-Ukraine conflict? That sounds like totalitarianism. Thankfully, western countries have freedom of speech.

Occult,

I'd appreciate it if you answered my question:

Also, would you be able to pull the statistics of how many people in the Donbas currently speak Russian, and how many people in the Donbas currently support the current Russian operation? No hand-waving responses to the effect of "the facts speak for themselves". Statistics matter.

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

It is interesting that by trying to play the various European countries against eachother, Putin have done more for European unity than anyone before him. 

I have a feeling that this wasn't the intended outcome of the "Limited Military Operation":

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61891467

This is Zelensky metting his allies: (In this case the Danish and Spanish PM's)

This is Putin meeting his allies:

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.

Everything Putler does, ends up with the result directly the opposite of his intentions. It's actually hilarious. Like he's under some sort of curse that reverses his every wish   but the truth is much less supernatural - he's simply an evil being that made the mistake of believing in its own propaganda.  

 

While Zelenskyy... here, instead of thousand words (first in Bucha, the second with an actual wounded soldier in an actual hospital - the contrast with Putler's screamingly fake photo-ops is total): 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Helen of Annoy

[Helen of Annoy]

When Ruzzia blew up a tank with chemicals in Azot factory in Sieverodonetsk, the wind was blowing eastward, so it was Ruzzian forces that were more poisoned than Ukrainian, an average orc can theoretically earn a yearly salary in one month and other interesting things: 

Yes, it's a move out and that's all right. 

[Silver]

New Ukrainian tribute video:

 

[Occult1]

Russia-Ukraine War LIVE: US Says Additional HIMARS To Be Delivered To Ukraine By Mid-July

''A senior US defence official claimed that the newly announced batch of four High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) will be delivered to Ukraine by mid-July. The official also stated that the first batch of four HIMARS has already been delivered to the war-torn country. ''

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/russia-ukraine-war-live-british-mod-predicts-russias-war-to-decelerate-in-coming-months-liveblog.html

 

This spells trouble for Russia. The war is going to get a lot more difficult for them.

Edited June 25, 2022 by Occult1

[Occult1]

4 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Occult,

I'd appreciate it if you answered my question:

Also, would you be able to pull the statistics of how many people in the Donbas currently speak Russian, and how many people in the Donbas currently support the current Russian operation? No hand-waving responses to the effect of "the facts speak for themselves". Statistics matter.

I am not able to pull up any statistics. I do think that the Donbass people lean towards pro-Russian sentiments based on polls I have seen and interviews I have heard in medias such as Patrick Lancaster and Donbass Insider. I could be wrong. However the fact that Russia has been able to recruit a bunch of separatist fighters in that area and that the population isn't mobilizing against the invaders suggest to me that at least half the population supports Russia.

As for the Russian language in the Donbass:

• Donetsk Oblast — 93%
• Luhansk Oblast — 89%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine

Edited June 25, 2022 by Occult1

[Occult1]

5 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Your consistent expression of personal support for proven war criminals is legal, indeed it is, but your effort to spread their disinformation is not. The West so far tolerated disinformation campaigns of its adversaries, but it is becoming increasingly clear such extravagant permissiveness is very stupid idea. 

What do you mean by 'disinformation'? As far as I know, posters who have expressed a critical stance on the Russia-Ukraine war are sharing links by Western mainstream media. Go to page 1-to-296 and show me where links to pro-Russian propaganda websites have been promulgated. Nowhere. It's NBC, USANews, BBC, The Guardian etc. People are reporting based on facts and opinions from mainstream media. Would you also outlaw those media?

You, on the hand, only post from Pro-Ukrainian news site. I don't think it's rational to believe that everyone should accept that as gospel. You have very extreme views.

Edited June 25, 2022 by Occult1

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 hours ago, Occult1 said:

So you advocate for the imprisonnement of everyone who has a critical stance on the Russia-Ukraine conflict? That sounds like totalitarianism. Thankfully, western countries have freedom of speech.

One thing you must understand about Helen, she lived through the Serbian Conflict which was a very terrible time for her or anyone. So keep that in mind when you respond to her in the future, do to her experiences her views may be pretty tough but also reasonable under the circumstances.

[Occult1]

Russian-appointed official in occupied Kherson killed in blast

''A senior official in the Russian-installed administration of Ukraine’s occupied Kherson region has been killed in an apparent assassination, the latest in a string of attacks against Russian-backed authorities.

Dmitry Savluchenko, head of the families, youth, and sports department of the Kherson military-civilian administration, was killed in a bomb blast on Friday.''

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/24/russian-appointed-official-killed-blast-ukraine-occupied-kherson

 

Seems an insurgency against the puppet administration installed in Kherson by Moscow is going on. Ukrainian fighters have also recently made gains in Kherson Oblast.

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-army-continuing-counter-offensive-133500460.html

Edited June 25, 2022 by Occult1

[Helen of Annoy]

Professional Russian and pro-Russian propagandists will indeed quote reputable western media, but then they'll give pro-orc misinterpretation of the facts reported. (While amateur trolls just bluntly quote various breitsharts, Qanon or their orc-infested social media accounts.)

It doesn't make their work "objective", they remain clearly pro-putlerian. It's relatively nice propaganda work, I'll give them that, since it aims to create an impression that Russian narrative is supported by western media - if you just interpret the news through Kremlin lens. 

The dirtiest trick in that book is discrediting Ukrainian media. They aim to "prove" Ukrainian media are not a good source of information (!) since they must be biased. Well, no **** Sherlock, of course they're biased, they're trying to fight genocide back. Not just an aggression, Russia is openly going for the genocide. But their reporting is trustworthy. 

How to quickly tell a Russian propaganda asset? They reject Ukrainian reports. Because they'll "interpret" CNN for you, but Ukrainian reporting is false by default for them. Because Ukraine is their enemy.

 

An example ob brutal honesty of Ukrainian media: 

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3514712-russians-fire-over-40-missiles-at-chernihiv-region-zhytomyr-region.html  

They just plain report it. Because what's the point of hiding it? And that's what scares the **** out of Russian propagandists, who don't even understand it's possible to communicate without lying. 

 

On the brighter side, G7 summit will undoubtedly help to better organize geopolitical front against Putler, while NATO summit will undoubtedly help all member countries enhance their security among other things crucial in a war.  

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Professional Russian and pro-Russian propagandists will indeed quote reputable western media, but then they'll give pro-orc misinterpretation of the facts reported. (While amateur trolls just bluntly quote various breitsharts, Qanon or their orc-infested social media accounts.)

It doesn't make their work "objective", they remain clearly pro-putlerian. It's relatively nice propaganda work, I'll give them that, since it aims to create an impression that Russian narrative is supported by western media - if you just interpret the news through Kremlin lens. 

The dirtiest trick in that book is discrediting Ukrainian media. They aim to "prove" Ukrainian media are not a good source of information (!) since they must be biased. Well, no **** Sherlock, of course they're biased, they're trying to fight genocide back. Not just an aggression, Russia is openly going for the genocide. But their reporting is trustworthy. 

How to quickly tell a Russian propaganda asset? They reject Ukrainian reports. Because they'll "interpret" CNN for you, but Ukrainian reporting is false by default for them. Because Ukraine is their enemy.

 

An example ob brutal honesty of Ukrainian media: 

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3514712-russians-fire-over-40-missiles-at-chernihiv-region-zhytomyr-region.html  

They just plain report it. Because what's the point of hiding it? And that's what scares the **** out of Russian propagandists, who don't even understand it's possible to communicate without lying. 

 

On the brighter side, G7 summit will undoubtedly help to better organize geopolitical front against Putler, while NATO summit will undoubtedly help all member countries enhance their security among other things crucial in a war.  

Here is something you may enjoy Helen.

Watch: Ukrainian Marines Work With Gunners to Destroy Russian Tank, Ammo: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/watch-ukrainian-marines-work-with-gunners-to-destroy-russian-tank-ammo/ar-AAYQbBs?ocid=EMMX&cvid=acab9e4667484460ac911c316ee70045

See the video in the link above.

UPDATED STATISTICS ON RUSSIAN LOSSES

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that between February 24 and June 24, Russia had lost about 34,530 personnel, 1,507 tanks, 3,637 armored combat vehicles, 759 artillery units, 241 multiple launch rocket systems, 99 air defense systems, 216 warplanes, 183 helicopters, 622 drones, 137 cruise missiles, 14 warships, 2,553 motor vehicles and fuel tankers, and 60 units of special equipment.

[Helen of Annoy]

If someone wants to know how things are going in, say, Nepal, they'll take a look at Nepalese media and their social network accounts. I mean, of course, how else? 

So what can be the only explanation for attempts to silence Ukrainian media, Ukrainian voices and the voices of those who support them? The only explanation is Russian hostile propaganda needs. Only Putler and his orcs can't bear to hear Ukrainian voices. 

Therefore, 

 

[Helen of Annoy]

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3514895-retired-journalist-luckily-escapes-kherson-after-russians-break-her-spine-for-refusing-to-leave-behind-her-passport.html

Tetiana Antoniuk, a Kherson-based retired journalist and volunteer has managed to make a lucky escape from the occupied city after being brutally assaulted by Russian soldiers over her unwillingness to give them her Ukrainian passport on demand at a check point.

 

The car she was riding in out of town together with her neighbors was stopped for an ID check at an enemy checkpoint. The occupiers took away all their valuables but when the woman refused to give away her Ukrainian passport (this was her principled position as a Ukrainian citizen), they assaulted her. It was a miracle that she made it out alive, the report says.

She was hospitalized in Lviv in critical condition, but the operation was successful.

 

 

This is what orcs want to do. They want to break the backbones of Ukrainians. By the way, Tetiana is 70 years old.  

This is what their collaborators in the West are trying to help them hide. 

[Helen of Annoy]

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3514849-himars-launchers-already-working-towards-ukraines-defense-commanderinchief.html

Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of Ukraine’s Armed Forces:

“M142 HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems are already working towards Ukraine's defense. Artillerymen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine skillfully hit certain targets - military targets of the enemy on our, Ukrainian, territory,”

He also thanked the American people for providing the said weapons, adding that Ukraine’s “goal is Victory.”

 

In the article on the link is also a nice video with X-Files music  , from which enemy can't gather any classified info but it has great symbolic and emotional value. 

[Helen of Annoy]

Denys and Operator Starsky (  no, not his real name, but he is doing really great job on his YT channel too) give you a video tour of Hostomel airport.  

 

 

[+Razman]

10 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Russian-appointed official in occupied Kherson killed in blast

''A senior official in the Russian-installed administration of Ukraine’s occupied Kherson region has been killed in an apparent assassination, the latest in a string of attacks against Russian-backed authorities.

Dmitry Savluchenko, head of the families, youth, and sports department of the Kherson military-civilian administration, was killed in a bomb blast on Friday.''

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/24/russian-appointed-official-killed-blast-ukraine-occupied-kherson

 

Seems an insurgency against the puppet administration installed in Kherson by Moscow is going on. Ukrainian fighters have also recently made gains in Kherson Oblast.

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-army-continuing-counter-offensive-133500460.html

Wow . did you have some kind of view change or something ?  This and few others are the first posts i've seen you post that talk about any Ukraine gains.

[+Hammerclaw]

The irony of Russian territorial gains in the East is it thins their lines. They don't have enough troops to occupy and hold what they've already taken. 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

12 minutes ago, razman said:

Wow . did you have some kind of view change or something ?  This and few others are the first posts i've seen you post that talk about any Ukraine gains.

It was quite a dramatic switch.

Especially this:

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This spells trouble for Russia. The war is going to get a lot more difficult for them.

 

Edited June 25, 2022 by Nuclear Wessel

[Helen of Annoy]

6 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

It was quite a dramatic switch.

Maybe the guys who will knock on Russian collaborators' doors, with rifle butts, at 3 AM, will care. But most likely they won't. 

Kidding. It's usually at 4 AM. Kidding. I didn't count light saving time in. Kidding. 

 

Now with no kidding, it seems HIMARS might be busy in Luhansk region, because the targets Ukraine successfully hit are outside Ukrainian artillery range. *squirms happily* 

[+Hammerclaw]

5 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

It was quite a dramatic switch.

Especially this:

 

It was his wife posting while he went to the crapper....

[Helen of Annoy]

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg: “If [Vladimir] Putin gets his way by using military force against an independent, democratic nation in Europe it will be [a] much higher [price] than the price we pay today to support Ukraine."

(source Politico at Twitter but I don't want to take up too much space since there's no visual information that might matter.)

 

Ukrainian forces are reportedly conducting counteroffensives along the Kherson-Dnipropetrovsk Oblast border and in the city of Kherson, threatening Russian forces.

 (source Kyiv Independent at Twitter.)

 

Intelligence: Overnight airstrike on Ukraine from Belarus is Russia’s attempt to draw Belarus into war. 6 Russian Tu-22M bombers launched 12 missiles from Belarus, targeting Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy oblasts on June 25, Defense Ministry’s Intelligence Directorate reports.

 (source Kyiv Independent at Twitter.)

[Silver]

Good news for Ukraine, really:

Tensions between Russia and NATO member Poland have been cranking up to boiling point in recent days amid Russian claims that it has killed 'up to 80 Polish mercenaries' in missile strikes.

The reported losses come on the same day that Russia confirmed it has removed a Polish flag from a memorial commemorating the murder of thousands of Poles by the Soviet Union in 1940.

To the north, Moscow has been furious over Lithuania's blocking of EU-sanctioned goods from reaching the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad, sandwiched between the Baltic state and Poland.

Now Russia threatens Poland: Putin kills 80 Polish fighters in 'precision strikes' in east Ukraine | Daily Mail Online

Edited June 25, 2022 by The Silver Shroud

[Silver]

12 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Russia-Ukraine War LIVE: US Says Additional HIMARS To Be Delivered To Ukraine By Mid-July

''A senior US defence official claimed that the newly announced batch of four High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) will be delivered to Ukraine by mid-July. The official also stated that the first batch of four HIMARS has already been delivered to the war-torn country. ''

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/russia-ukraine-war-live-british-mod-predicts-russias-war-to-decelerate-in-coming-months-liveblog.html

 

This spells trouble for Russia. The war is going to get a lot more difficult for them.

M142 HIMARS multiple rocket launchers, supplied by the United States as part of security assistance to Ukraine, are already operating at the front lines.

That’s according to Valeriy Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, Ukrinform reports.

“M142 HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems are already working towards Ukraine's defense. Artillerymen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine skillfully hit certain targets - military targets of the enemy on our, Ukrainian, territory,” the top commander wrote on Telegram.(video)

HIMARS launchers already working towards Ukraine’s defense - Commander-in-Chief (ukrinform.net)

Edited June 25, 2022 by The Silver Shroud