Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Setton]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

I Spartan Max hereby annex Donbas. 

I hereby annex Russia and have decided to pull out of Ukraine.

Any Russians you therefore find fighting in Ukraine are therefore not part of any nations military and are clearly terrorists.

See how this game goes @Occult1?

[ThereWeAreThen]

29 minutes ago, Setton said:

I hereby annex Russia and have decided to pull out of Ukraine.

Any Russians you therefore find fighting in Ukraine are therefore not part of any nations military and are clearly terrorists.

See how this game goes @Occult1?

So since you made that proclaimation, if NATO were to help clear the terrorists would Russia intervene? 

[Hankenhunter]

Big bada boom!

 

[Hankenhunter]

A funny.

 

[Hankenhunter]

New conscripts awaiting deployment. Pugsly Adam's has not aged well.

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Hankenhunter

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Looks like a baby is ready to be deployed too

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[Hankenhunter]

Furious conscripts turn on their commander: Top officer 'is beaten after telling reservists ''you are all cannon fodder, you are facing slaughter'' as video shows punch-up in make-shift barracks

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11265915/Furious-conscripts-turn-commander-officer-beaten-saying-cannon-fodder.html

[Hankenhunter]

Huge bada boom!

 

[Occult1]

Russia vetoes UN resolution calling its referendums illegal

''UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Russia vetoed a U.N. resolution Friday that would have condemned its referendums in four Ukrainian regions as illegal, declared them invalid and urged all countries not to recognize any annexation of the territory claimed by Moscow.

The vote in the 15-member Security Council was 10-1 with China, India, Brazil and Gabon abstaining.

The resolution would also have demanded an immediate halt to Russia’s “full-scale unlawful invasion of Ukraine” and the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of all its military forces from Ukraine.''

https://apnews.com/article/united-nations-general-assembly-russia-ukraine-putin-donetsk-eaebae0fa8db029b1624735efd6c66d6

 

China, India and Brazil have abstained. Seems not everyone at the U.N. is against Russia.

[Occult1]

Putin slams 'imperialist' West, says it fears Russia

''MOSCOW, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday vowed to defend Russia's "homeland and values" in a defiant speech from the Kremlin in which he announced Russia was annexing four regions from Ukraine and said the West feared Russian culture. 

Presenting a long list of grievances against the West, Putin accused the United States and its allies of waging a "hybrid war" against Russia and the separatist administrations it backed in eastern Ukraine.''

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-slams-imperialist-west-says-it-fears-russia-2022-09-30/

Edited October 1, 2022 by Occult1

[Black Red Devil]

On 9/30/2022 at 2:02 PM, Occult1 said:

Ukraine cannot repay it's outstanding loans and bonds. They are paying with their sovereignty, by subjecting themselves to the influence of foreign interests.

Yeah, they'll get their money back (and more) after Putin is booted from the throne, Russia is booted from Ukraine and they're forced by the ICJ to pay retributions for the war and war crimes they committed.  Russia will be broke for decades and, without wealth, they will never be a military superpower they were estimated to be, ever again.

This is what happens when authoritarianism tries to expand it's power outside it's borders and there may well be territorial consequences.  Look at Germany, Japan and Italy, all three lost territory after their defeat in WW2.  So watch out Russians, China is observing the outcome of this war with interest.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Black Red Devil

[Occult1]

15 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Yeah, they'll get their money back (and more) after Putin is booted from the throne, Russia is booted from Ukraine and they're forced by the ICJ to pay retributions for the war and war crimes they committed.  Russia will be broke for decades and, without wealth, they will never be a military superpower they were estimated to be, ever again.

This is what happens when authoritarianism tries to expand it's power outside it's borders and there may well be territorial consequences.  Look at Germany, Japan and Italy, all three lost territory after their defeat in WW2.  So watch out Russians.

How would you implement regime change in Russia? This stragegy hasn't exactly worked very well for the U.S. in the last few decades.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

39 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Putin slams 'imperialist' West, says it fears Russia

''MOSCOW, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday vowed to defend Russia's "homeland and values" in a defiant speech from the Kremlin in which he announced Russia was annexing four regions from Ukraine and said the West feared Russian culture. 

Presenting a long list of grievances against the West, Putin accused the United States and its allies of waging a "hybrid war" against Russia and the separatist administrations it backed in eastern Ukraine.''

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-slams-imperialist-west-says-it-fears-russia-2022-09-30/

The West is not imperialist lmao, what a bunch of projection.

Well, upon further reflection I guess they have demonstrated certain behaviours that are somewhat imperialistic, but that is more of a “whataboutism” on Russia’s end, and they are very clearly displaying imperialism - or perhaps colonialism is more apt, I.e. when Crimea was annexed Russia implemented their currency in place of Ukraine’s etc. I reckon they’ll try to do the same thing here. 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Nuclear Wessel

[Hankenhunter]

 

[Occult1]

 

[Hankenhunter]

59 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia vetoes UN resolution calling its referendums illegal

''UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Russia vetoed a U.N. resolution Friday that would have condemned its referendums in four Ukrainian regions as illegal, declared them invalid and urged all countries not to recognize any annexation of the territory claimed by Moscow.

The vote in the 15-member Security Council was 10-1 with China, India, Brazil and Gabon abstaining.

The resolution would also have demanded an immediate halt to Russia’s “full-scale unlawful invasion of Ukraine” and the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of all its military forces from Ukraine.''

https://apnews.com/article/united-nations-general-assembly-russia-ukraine-putin-donetsk-eaebae0fa8db029b1624735efd6c66d6

 

China, India and Brazil have abstained. Seems not everyone at the U.N. is against Russia.

 

[Black Red Devil]

18 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

How would you implement regime change in Russia? This stragegy hasn't exactly worked very well for the U.S. in the last few decades.

It won't be implemented by the west. Are you really that oblivious to what's happening in Russia?  They have no will to fight.  Morally they know they are fighting against an army of soldiers who are ready to put their bodies on the line and with NATO's help they can match their equipment. 

Putin looks a lonely man at the top but he still has a power grip.  It won't last, you can see it crumbling away day by day.  Once he goes, Russia will go either way IMO.  Another little subservient Putin will take over and run with what he started, which will make it worse for Russia because he won't have the same grip Vlad had on the establishment or they'll submit to defeat and withdraw to save their economy from total disaster.  Either way the end will come with a big thud.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Black Red Devil

[Occult1]

11 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

It won't be implemented by the west. Are you really that oblivious to what's happening in Russia?  They have no will to fight.  Morally they know they are fighting against an army of soldiers who are ready to put their bodies on the line and with NATO's help they can match their equipment. 

Putin looks a lonely man at the top but he still has power in his grip.  It won't last, you can see it crumbling away day by day.  Once he goes, Russia will go either way IMO.  Another little subservient Putin will take over and run with what he started, which will make it worse for Russia because he won't have the same grip Vlad had on the establishment or they'll submit to defeat and withdraw to save their economy from total disaster.  Either way the end will come with a big thud.

Why Vladimir Putin still has widespread support in Russia

''In fact, Russian public opinion polls have suggested an increase in Putin’s popularity after the invasion. Support for the war itself is not as high as Putin’s overall approval rating — but he can still count on majority support for the invasion. ''

https://theconversation.com/why-vladimir-putin-still-has-widespread-support-in-russia-189211

 

Why Russian Support for the War in Ukraine Hasn't Wavered

https://time.com/6208238/why-russian-support-for-the-war-in-ukraine-hasnt-wavered/

 

Where do you see Putin's support ''crumbling away'' day by day ? In fact, all the evidence suggest the contrary. His popularity and support has increased in Russia.

The more the West tries to apply pressure and 'isolate' Russia, the more Russians seem to rally around Putin.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Occult1

[Hankenhunter]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

Russia vetoes UN resolution calling its referendums illegal

''UNITED NATIONS (AP) — Russia vetoed a U.N. resolution Friday that would have condemned its referendums in four Ukrainian regions as illegal, declared them invalid and urged all countries not to recognize any annexation of the territory claimed by Moscow.

The vote in the 15-member Security Council was 10-1 with China, India, Brazil and Gabon abstaining.

The resolution would also have demanded an immediate halt to Russia’s “full-scale unlawful invasion of Ukraine” and the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of all its military forces from Ukraine.''

https://apnews.com/article/united-nations-general-assembly-russia-ukraine-putin-donetsk-eaebae0fa8db029b1624735efd6c66d6

 

China, India and Brazil have abstained. Seems not everyone at the U.N. is against Russia.

Your comrades I assume?

 

[Occult1]

5 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Your comrades I assume?

 

I will have to agree that while billions of taxpayers dollars are sent to a foreign country in a proxy war, many people at home cannot even afford gas or groceries.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Occult1

[Black Red Devil]

Putin thought he could do to other countries what he's been doing all his life in the Soviet Union and Russia as a KGB operative and as an authoritarian Russian President.  Hide in the shadows while lying, threatening and getting away with murder without ever facing consequences.  Now he's in a hole and can't find a way to squirm his way out.  Fatal retribution finally coming your way Vlad. 

[Hankenhunter]

Just now, Occult1 said:

I will have to agree with the fact that while billions of taxpayers dollars are send to a foreing country in a proxy war, many people at home cannot even afford gas or groceries.

Well, that's what happen when the GOP is complicit with russia.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eight-republicans-spent-july-4-in-russia-where-are-the-fireworks/2018/07/06/beae30be-812e-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html

Bought, and paid for.

[bmk1245]

33 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Why Vladimir Putin still has widespread support in Russia

''In fact, Russian public opinion polls have suggested an increase in Putin’s popularity after the invasion. Support for the war itself is not as high as Putin’s overall approval rating — but he can still count on majority support for the invasion. ''

https://theconversation.com/why-vladimir-putin-still-has-widespread-support-in-russia-189211

 

Why Russian Support for the War in Ukraine Hasn't Wavered

https://time.com/6208238/why-russian-support-for-the-war-in-ukraine-hasnt-wavered/

 

Where do you see Putin's support ''crumbling away'' day by day ? In fact, all the evidence suggest the contrary. His popularity and support has increased in Russia.

The more the West tries to apply pressure and 'isolate' Russia, the more Russians seem to rally around Putin.

Nicolae Ceaușescu had widespread support until he hadn't

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On Christmas Day, 25 December 1989, the Ceaușescus were tried before a court convened in a small room on orders of the National Salvation Front, Romania's provisional government. They faced charges including illegal gathering of wealth and genocide. Ceaușescu repeatedly denied the court's authority to try him, and asserted he was still legally the President of Romania. At the end of the trial, the Ceaușescus were found guilty and sentenced to death. A soldier standing guard in the proceedings was ordered to take the Ceaușescus outside one by one and shoot them, but the Ceaușescus demanded to die together. The soldiers agreed to this and began to tie their hands behind their backs, which the Ceaușescus protested against, but were powerless to prevent.

The Ceaușescus were executed by a gathering of soldiers: Captain Ionel Boeru, Sergeant-Major Georghin Octavian and Dorin-Marian Cîrlan,^[57] while reportedly hundreds of others also volunteered. Before his sentence was carried out, Nicolae Ceaușescu sang "The Internationale" whilst being led towards the wall. The firing squad began shooting as soon as the two were in their positions up against the wall.

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'while reportedly hundreds of others also volunteered' says alot.