Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[+and-then]

16 minutes ago, acidhead said:

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Listening to him straight up imply that NATO should pre-empt any Russian resort to nukes in Ukraine, was CHILLING.  Between that and Poland's offer to "share" U.S. nukes on their territory, I'm really beginning to get a bad feeling about where this is headed.  It seems impossible that our leaders could be so disconnected from reality that they think the U.S. and EU can simply ignore the man when all indications are that he is LOSING and doesn't have any good options any longer.

I'd like to ask WHOEVER is calling the shots in DC, what they will do if Vlad pops off one of these candles over Ukrainian territory.  The unofficial rumors from former NATO commanders is that NATO would employ conventional forces and destroy all Russian forces in Ukraine AND Crimea.  An Den?  An WHAT?

[+and-then]

9 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

I feel no pleasure in what is happening to their men in the field but maybe the people in Russia need this kind of event to show them the lies they have been told.

I agree totally but there is a "wild card" in this deck.  If the numbers we're hearing from NATO are even close to correct, Putin cannot survive without something that looks like a "win".  Zelensky basically called for NATO to strike Russian nuclear forces pre-emptively (conventionally, one assumes).  I get the strong feeling that we're watching a game of brinksmanship and no one can WIN that game against an opponent with nothing to lose.

[godnodog]

4 minutes ago, and-then said:

I agree totally but there is a "wild card" in this deck.  If the numbers we're hearing from NATO are even close to correct, Putin cannot survive without something that looks like a "win".  Zelensky basically called for NATO to strike Russian nuclear forces pre-emptively (conventionally, one assumes).  I get the strong feeling that we're watching a game of brinksmanship and no one can WIN that game against an opponent with nothing to lose.

Well since Russias authorities are experts at lying to their own people, just withdraw from Ukr and call it a win, just state that local authorities lied about the "referendum" results, which funny enough is actually true.

Edited October 7, 2022 by godnodog

[Hankenhunter]

43 minutes ago, acidhead said:

 

Yes, the horror of putinites who are terrified of being conscripted, or sent to the front as "comfort women" or thrown in prison for having your own opinion. Fear of being captured, and tortured, then killed by Ukrainians. A lie purpatrated by Putin. All roads lead to Putin. Putin is the horror. Remove Putin= horror removed.

[+and-then]

9 minutes ago, godnodog said:

Well since Russias authorities are experts at lying to their own people, just withdraw from Ukr and call it a win, just state that local authorities lied about the "referendum" results, which funny enough is actually true.

I guess he COULD attempt that play but there are thousands of families whose sons and husbands left with the military and who never come home.  THAT would be a bit hard to hide.

[acidhead]

21 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

 

I thought you were against people who advocates war ?

Correct assessment 

 

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

1 hour ago, acidhead said:

Correct assessment 

 

If you are against war why is it that you have not said anything critical of the country that started the war ?

Its allways something about what Ukraine should do, never a word about how Russia started the whole thing and could end it simply by withdrawing their forces. It is rather weird to claim to be anti war and then never actually blame the country that started the war. You are essentially victim blaming.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Noteverythingisaconspiracy

[Grim Reaper 6]

17 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

If you are against war why is it that you have not said anything critical of the country that started the war ?

Its allways something about what Ukraine should do, never a word about how Russia started the whole thing and could end it simply by withdrawing their forces. It is rather weird to claim to be anti war and then never actually blame the country that started the war. You are essentially victim blaming.

It called троллинг or in English trolling please don’t get hooked!

[Grim Reaper 6]

Here is a Nuclear Simulator /  Burst mapping device that can be programmed in Kilotons and used to estimate the effect of Nuclear Weapons Detection over any city once the city is programmed in press detonate to see the effects / casualties.

https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

 

[acidhead]

1 hour ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

If you are against war why is it that you have not said anything critical of the country that started the war ?

Its allways something about what Ukraine should do, never a word about how Russia started the whole thing and could end it simply by withdrawing their forces. It is rather weird to claim to be anti war and then never actually blame the country that started the war. You are essentially victim blaming.

"Its allways something about what Ukraine should do, never a word about [ ] Russia" 

 b.s.

I've always maintained both sides should declare a ceasefire,  listen to individuals who live there and come to a compromise. Seek a peaceful resolution. It includes both Russia and Ukraine. It's not for me to take sides on what's been going on there for years or since late February of this year. The past is irrelevant at this point to most rational individuals looking at what is going on there in the present time. To top it off western nations pouring fuel on the fire has only worsen the conflict when cooler heads from western nations should be seeking diplomacy. Half the planet doesn't need to continually be harassed with the threat of nuclear war over a stupid Civil dispute in a country bordered with Russia. It never should have come to the point that the Russian government decided to end the Civil dispute in Ukraine through the use of military force but here we are. It was dumb for Ukraine to allow it to go on for years and it's just as dumb and stupid Russia decided to go into Ukraine and do something about it. Advocating for more war over a ceasefire, peaceful dialogue and some sort of compromise is totally and unequivocally reckless behaviour by any individual who considers themself to be rationally looking at the situation logically.

 

 

[Duke Wellington]

The US goes to the polls next month.

I predict Biden will get punished for starting a protracted proxy war to grind down Russia over several years. The American public won`t be happy with the prospect of financial hardship over several years caused by American, not Russian, sanctions.

Yes, I have noticed Biden, the EU president, and PM Truss, telling the lie that its Russia driving up the cost of our energy. In reality we are the ones who have implemented sanctions doing it to ourselves. What idiots do they think our populations are?

I predict a policy change will come - Send NATO in (to take over where Russia isn`t) or have Ukraine peace out.

The outcome of the war isn`t going to be a Russia grinded down.

[Grim Reaper 6]

[Stiff]

3 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I predict...

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

Vladimir Putins new home his bunker making his last stand and staying in touch with his military and friends!

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Grim Reaper 6

[+Nuclear Wessel]

32 minutes ago, acidhead said:

I've always maintained both sides should declare a ceasefire,  listen to individuals who live there and come to a compromise.

Again, a peace deal was allegedly proposed to Putin shortly after the war began which would have satisfied all of his initial requests. He has repeatedly demonstrated that it is more land that he want, evinced by the fact that he annexed territories that were not actually a part of Donbas. According to the Kremlin, even more annexations are in the cards. The only compromise will involve giving up Ukraine entirely and basically replacing Ukrainian culture with Russian culture.

37 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Seek a peaceful resolution.

The onus is on Russia to do that. Ukraine is merely defending their territory against hostile invaders. What kind of peace would you seek against your neighbour who tried to claim a portion of your backyard as theirs and began to threaten you and your family with weapons if you didn't make concessions?

39 minutes ago, acidhead said:

It includes both Russia and Ukraine.

For the n'th time (I know you don't want to talk about it because you like to feign neutrality), Ukraine has tried to make peace deals. Russia made a set of demands that they knew were impossible to accept so that they could wage war against Ukraine.

43 minutes ago, acidhead said:

To top it off western nations pouring fuel on the fire has only worsen the conflict when cooler heads from western nations should be seeking diplomacy.

The Biden Administration has maintained that a line of communication has remained open to Russia in the event that they want to come to reasonable agreements. Thus far, that line has been relatively silent. We also have folks like Macron who are attempting diplomacy with Putin, so I'm not sure whre you're getting this idea that the West is pouring fuel on the fire and avoiding diplomatic efforts when they tried every diplomatic avenue they could to prevent Ukraine from sacrificing its sovereignty and territorial integrity.

I'm pretty sure that, at this point, your idea of a diplomatic, peaceful resolution just involves giving Russia whatever they want if they threaten war.

48 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Half the planet doesn't need to continually be harassed with the threat of nuclear war over a stupid Civil dispute in a country bordered with Russia.

Exactly, so Russia should smarten the hell up.

48 minutes ago, acidhead said:

It was dumb for Ukraine to allow it to go on for years

Allow the dispute to go on for years... in what sense? 

49 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Advocating for more war over a ceasefire, peaceful dialogue and some sort of compromise is totally and unequivocally reckless behaviour by any individual who considers themself to be rationally looking at the situation logically.

Zelensky has made it very clear REPEATEDLY that he is ready to talk with Russia so long as there are no land concessions involved.

You ignore this - REPEATEDLY. 

[ThereWeAreThen]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

The US goes to the polls next month.

I predict Biden will get punished for starting a protracted proxy war to grind down Russia over several years. The American public won`t be happy with the prospect of financial hardship over several years caused by American, not Russian, sanctions.

Yes, I have noticed Biden, the EU president, and PM Truss, telling the lie that its Russia driving up the cost of our energy. In reality we are the ones who have implemented sanctions doing it to ourselves. What idiots do they think our populations are?

I predict a policy change will come - Send NATO in (to take over where Russia isn`t) or have Ukraine peace out.

The outcome of the war isn`t going to be a Russia grinded down.

Bull ****. Biden did not start this war. Russia started it when it backed proxies in dobas in 2014 then invaded if Feb. If this is a proxy war its a Russian one. People with common sense can see this war for what it is. 

Russian imperialism. Putler even said it on the anniversary of Peter the Great death. This is actually grinding russia down. Even his allies can see he's struggling haha.

[spartan max2]

1 hour ago, acidhead said:

I've always maintained both sides should declare a ceasefire,  listen to individuals who live there and come to a compromise. Seek a peaceful resolution. It includes both Russia and Ukraine. It's not for me to take sides on what's been going on there for years or since late February of this year.

You've also consistently avoided providing details and how you would come to a compromise to end the war.

It's easy to be "for peace" when you don't have any clear thoughts on how to achieve that.

I know you won't answer because you ignored the last time I asked, but I will ask again. What is your plan for peace that you believe both sides would agree to and would be fair. What is your peace proposal acidhead? 

Or do you just feel a sense of morally superiority by not actually thinking about the details of your feelings.

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by spartan max2

[spartan max2]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

The US goes to the polls next month.

I predict Biden will get punished for starting a protracted proxy war to grind down Russia over several years. The American public won`t be happy with the prospect of financial hardship over several years caused by American, not Russian, sanctions.

Yes, I have noticed Biden, the EU president, and PM Truss, telling the lie that its Russia driving up the cost of our energy. In reality we are the ones who have implemented sanctions doing it to ourselves. What idiots do they think our populations are?

I predict a policy change will come - Send NATO in (to take over where Russia isn`t) or have Ukraine peace out.

The outcome of the war isn`t going to be a Russia grinded down.

Polling shows the majority of US population, both democrats and Republican supporting continued aide to Ukraine. Midterm results will hardly be from Ukriane.

 

[Duke Wellington]

17 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Bull ****. Biden did not start this war. Russia started it when it backed proxies in dobas in 2014 then invaded if Feb. If this is a proxy war its a Russian one. People with common sense can see this war for what it is. 

Russian imperialism. Putler even said it on the anniversary of Peter the Great death. This is actually grinding russia down. Even his allies can see he's struggling haha.

Why do you apportion 100% of blame over the conflict to Russia while ignoring how we provoked them by violating our past written agreement not to expand NATO east? Politicians lie over that document, but Russia have repeatedly shown it on TV.

The blame is not the issue with the comment you are replying too. It's about sanctions, and yes, it's us that implemented sanctions driving up the costs of living. Not them.

[ThereWeAreThen]

17 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Why do you apportion 100% of blame over the conflict to Russia while ignoring how we provoked them by violating our past written agreement not to expand NATO east? Politicians lie over that document, but Russia have repeatedly shown it on TV.

The blame is not the issue with the comment you are replying too. It's about sanctions, and yes, it's us that implemented sanctions driving up the costs of living. Not them.

Russia are the ones who invaded Ukraine. Ukraine even agreed to their demands but russia still went in. The sanctions shouldn't affect the uk as much as it does the EU. Prices are sky rocketing cause companies are being greedy ****s.

I can see why putler is annoyed at nato for expanding to its borders but can you blame people wanting to join nato after his actions? How many times have nato attacked russia?

[Buzz_Light_Year]

17 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Why do you apportion 100% of blame over the conflict to Russia while ignoring how we provoked them by violating our past written agreement not to expand NATO east? Politicians lie over that document, but Russia have repeatedly shown it on TV.

The blame is not the issue with the comment you are replying too. It's about sanctions, and yes, it's us that implemented sanctions driving up the costs of living. Not them.

Neither NATO nor Russia have the right to make policy about a sovereign nation which by all International laws and agreements have the right to self-determination. Ukraine has the right to join Russia, NATO or the EU without the specter of war making their choices for them.

[pellinore]

20 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

You know, I think the Russians are just offering a token gesture defence before falling back.

They are playing for time rather than mounting a hard defence.

 

[Duke Wellington]

11 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Russia are the ones who invaded Ukraine. Ukraine even agreed to their demands but russia still went in. The sanctions shouldn't affect the uk as much as it does the EU. Prices are sky rocketing cause companies are being greedy ****s.

I can see why putler is annoyed at nato for expanding to its borders but can you blame people wanting to join nato after his actions? How many times have nato attacked russia?

Three Points:

Ukrainian Coup: We funded and helped two minority far-right parties coup the Ukrainian President in 2015. These was because they wanted to take Ukraine into the EU. The coalition government from both of them made speaking Russian and holding dual Russian citizenship illegal. This provoked Russia to save the rights of its ex-pats in Eastern Ukraine by invading. Both those parties were openly Nazi parties. Since then, the current Ukrainian President has come to power but inherited that past. 

Greedy Companies: Your views are socialist fallacies. We live in a world with global markets and it`s the availability of resources on the global market that sets prices. 

NATO: We don`t consider the Russian perspective where they see and have always seen NATO as a threat. Therefore, creeping up to its borders wasn`t a wise move. It has provoked the current conflict.

[ThereWeAreThen]

1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said:

Three Points:

Ukrainian Coup: We funded and helped two minority far-right parties coup the Ukrainian President in 2015. These was because they wanted to take Ukraine into the EU. The coalition government from both of them made speaking Russian and holding dual Russian citizenship illegal. This provoked Russia to save the rights of its ex-pats in Eastern Ukraine by invading. Both those parties were openly Nazi parties. Since then, the current Ukrainian President has come to power but inherited that past. 

Greedy Companies: Your views are socialist fallacies. We live in a world with global markets and it`s the availability of resources on the global market that sets prices. 

NATO: We don`t consider the Russian perspective where they see and have always seen NATO as a threat. Therefore, creeping up to its borders wasn`t a wise move. It has provoked the current conflict.

Good lord you sound like a Kremlin spokesman.

Justifying russias actions is sick.

And ye im a socialist, I believe companies need regulating properly because they can't be trusted and I'm right. This gov is borrowing £100billion to give energy companies to help lower bills when these companies have made record breaking profit already. Its wrong.

Russia have no right in what they done. And don't take this the wrong way Cookie but your track record is appalling you've got alot wrong in alot of threads.

[el midgetron]

Ukraine can defend its self into a smoldering radioactive creator for all I care. I oppose all US military support for this stupid war. **** Russia **** Ukraine & most of all **** supporting this war.