Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Occult1]

17 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

Thats why westerners have to bring more weapons.

There is a growing number of westerners questioning if that is sustainable approach.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Occult1

[jmccr8]

5 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

Whois 'Urs'?

Hi Bmk

I type yes phone types something else and I missed it

[bmk1245]

2 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

There is a growing number of westerners questioning if that is sustainable approach.

Yeah? By shaiteheads russky like see.you.en.tee's? Thing is, every shaite will be hunted down,

[Occult1]

Powered By Su-35 Fighters, Russia Is ‘Winning In Air,’ But Ukrainians Are Leading On Ground – Ex US Navy Admiral

''The Russian military is “winning in the air,” said a former US Navy admiral, shortly after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky appealed to the West for more air defense systems.

Retired Admiral James Stavridis of the US Navy, who is now the Vice Chair of the Carlyle Group, said that there are two wars ongoing in Ukraine, one on the ground and the other in the air, and even if Ukraine has gained a lot of ground in past few months, Russia is winning in the air.

Stavridis led the NATO Alliance in global operations from 2009 to 2013 as 16th Supreme Allied Commander responsible for Afghanistan, Libya, the Balkans, Syria, counter-piracy, and cyber security.

In a Twitter post on November 25, he said Ukraine is a “tale of 2 wars…1 on the ground ..1 in the air.”

https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-war-russia-is-winning-in-the-air-ukrainians-on-ground/

 

Interesting analysis.

[Helen of Annoy]

Top soil in Bakhmut already consists of russians mostly. 

 

[Helen of Annoy]

If you thought russian logistics is the worst in the world and cannot possibly be worse, prepare to be surprised: 

 

[Helen of Annoy]

 

 

 

One of the explanations for such bizarre move would be that little putler is so afraid of a coup that he doesn't want people to have access to military gear. The other explanation would be that he's so afraid of secessionist movements inside russian pederation.  

(On a morbidly comical side, putler's useful idiots will be told this too is a part of some intricate, invincible russian strategy  ) 

[Trelane]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

We've got a real problem since the equipment we're sending to Ukraine is breaking up sooner than we can actually replace it. Almost a third of the horwitzers provided are already 'out of action', so much so that the U.S. had to set up a repair shop in nearby Poland.

Once again, you are wrong. There have been US forces stationed in Poland since the Obama administration. There's no 'repair shop' as you say.

[Helen of Annoy]

16 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Once again, you are wrong. There have been US forces stationed in Poland since the Obama administration. There's no 'repair shop' as you say.

Occult1 confused German Panzerhaubitze (about which there were breathless "third of them already broke down" reports) and their repair shop in Lithuania with American aid in weapons, which in fact will be repaired in Poland among other places. (Of course they will, it would be silly to transport something back to US just for the maintenance and repairs.) 

The western weapons are in fact breaking down in Ukraine, being used in an actual war, more than they break down while they sit idly at home. Which is quite logical, of course. But russia is grasping at propaganda straws as usual.  

[Helen of Annoy]

Some basic facts and plausible theories about sudden death of Foreign minister of Belarus (could be summed up into: probably poisoned by russia to prevent him from saving Belarus from sinking together with russia).  

 

[Occult1]

20 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Once again, you are wrong. There have been US forces stationed in Poland since the Obama administration. There's no 'repair shop' as you say.

So you disagree with the New York Times article?

 

Swapping out a howitzer’s barrel, which can be 20 feet long and weigh thousands of pounds, is beyond the capability of soldiers in the field and has become a priority for the Pentagon’s European Command, which has set up a repair facility in Poland.''

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us/ukraine-artillery-breakdown.html

*bold are mine

Edited November 26, 2022 by Occult1

[Helen of Annoy]

 

[Trelane]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

So you disagree with the New York Times article?

 

Swapping out a howitzer’s barrel, which can be 20 feet long and weigh thousands of pounds, is beyond the capability of soldiers in the field and has become a priority for the Pentagon’s European Command, which has set up a repair facility in Poland.''

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us/ukraine-artillery-breakdown.html

*bold are mine

Yes, I do disagree. Maintenance facilities have been there for a few years now. They're only being heavily used as Helen has already pointed out, the weapons are being used and need to be maintained/repaired.

[Trelane]

Here is a more accurate assessment of Russian casualties so far. 

"Death Toll for Russian Soldiers in Ukraine at Least 9,300 – BBC"

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/11/25/death-toll-for-russian-soldiers-in-ukraine-at-least-9300-bbc-a79506

"At least 9,311 Russian soldiers have died since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine nine months ago, according to an independent investigation conducted jointly by the BBC Russian Service and independent Russian news outlet MediaZona. "

"The death toll, which was published by the BBC on Friday, only includes officially confirmed fatalities, meaning that the true number of Russia’s losses in the conflict to date could be as much as twice that number, the U.K. public broadcaster said." 

"The number of Russia’s irreversible losses, a figure that includes the severely injured and the missing, could be as high as 100,000 people, the BBC said."

[Occult1]

8 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Here is a more accurate assessment of Russian casualties so far. 

"Death Toll for Russian Soldiers in Ukraine at Least 9,300 – BBC"

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/11/25/death-toll-for-russian-soldiers-in-ukraine-at-least-9300-bbc-a79506

"At least 9,311 Russian soldiers have died since Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine nine months ago, according to an independent investigation conducted jointly by the BBC Russian Service and independent Russian news outlet MediaZona. "

"The death toll, which was published by the BBC on Friday, only includes officially confirmed fatalities, meaning that the true number of Russia’s losses in the conflict to date could be as much as twice that number, the U.K. public broadcaster said." 

"The number of Russia’s irreversible losses, a figure that includes the severely injured and the missing, could be as high as 100,000 people, the BBC said."

Hard to find a specific number for sure but it seems BOTH Russia and Ukraine have suffered high causalities.

Ukraine war: US estimates 200,000 military casualties on all sides

''The most senior US general estimates that around 100,000 Russian and 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed or injured in the war in Ukraine.

Gen Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, also suggested that around 40,000 civilians had died after being caught up in the conflict.

The estimates are the highest offered yet by a Western official.''

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63580372

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Occult1

[+joc]

10 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

I can safely say you are completely and utterly wrong.

You seem stuck on this idea that Putin is some master strategist and everything done is part of some insanely complex plan that will end with a stunning Russian victory.  The reality is that Putin messed up largely due to severe corruption throughout the Russian government and military along with the fact that he surrounded himself with sycophants which generally causes problems.

What is known is that at the start of the invasion there was no unified overall Russian command, instead each Russian military district was given a front and a list of objectives to achieve.  The Russian military districts due to no overall command had essentially zero coordination between themselves, competed with each other for resources cause each general wanted to make sure they achieved their objectives to save/advance themselves and not care how the other generals were doing, and frequently fought against themselves cause they had no idea where other districts were advancing or being pushed or stalling causing severe friendly fire incidents.  In April after multiple failures, embarrassments, and the loss of vital equipment and experienced soldiers the Russians finally created a unified overall command to coordinate the military districts.  Now they are just replacing the person in overall command every couple of months which creates it's own problems.

Just looking at tanks alone Russia had at the start of the war Russia had approximately 13,127 tanks with 10,200 in reserve and 2,927 in active servics.  Since the war has been going on Russia has had to bring into active duty approximately 800 T-62/64 tanks.  According to documented picture losses, which are a lower estimate as losses will be higher than what is pictured, Russia has been confirmed to of lost 1,513 tanks.  To give a further idea of how bad it is Russia had 480 active T-80 tanks before the war started and they have lost 343 of them, or approximately 71.5%.  Elite Guard units have been effectively destroyed, the VDV essentially no longer exist as a branch of the Russian military.

Between your theory that Putin is sacrificing his best soldiers and equipment to perform some unimaginably complex strategy to take over Europe and the theory that an autocrat who surrounded himself with sycophants who refused to tell him any bad news or point out any flaws in anything he said had badly planned an invasion which of the two is more likely.

I can safely say you are completely and utterly wrong.

You seem stuck on this idea that Putin is some master strategist and everything done is part of some insanely complex plan that will end with a stunning Russian victory. 

It is obvious to me that you don't understand where I am coming from at all.  Putin is the figurehead for the Russian Communist Party.  He isn't calling the shots...he had too...nuff said on that.  I don't think that Russia is going to amaze the world with  a stunning victory.  I don't even think victory is a game  plan here.

The Russian Communist hierarchy is an insanely  maniacal and devious planner.  I would prefer that everything  you say is the truth.  I would prefer that I am  completely and utterly wrong.  And I very well may be.

The reality is that Putin messed up largely due to severe corruption throughout the Russian government and military along with the fact that he surrounded himself with sycophants which generally causes problems.

What is known is that at the start of the invasion there was no unified overall Russian command, instead each Russian military district was given a front and a list of objectives to achieve.  The Russian military districts due to no overall command had essentially zero coordination between themselves, competed with each other for resources cause each general wanted to make sure they achieved their objectives to save/advance themselves and not care how the other generals were doing, and frequently fought against themselves cause they had no idea where other districts were advancing or being pushed or stalling causing severe friendly fire incidents.  In April after multiple failures, embarrassments, and the loss of vital equipment and experienced soldiers the Russians finally created a unified overall command to coordinate the military districts.  Now they are just replacing the person in overall command every couple of months which creates it's own problems.

I don't doubt any of that is true.  In fact, I think everything you just said is correct.

Just looking at tanks alone Russia had at the start of the war Russia had approximately 13,127 tanks with 10,200 in reserve and 2,927 in active servics.  Since the war has been going on Russia has had to bring into active duty approximately 800 T-62/64 tanks.  According to documented picture losses, which are a lower estimate as losses will be higher than what is pictured, Russia has been confirmed to of lost 1,513 tanks.  To give a further idea of how bad it is Russia had 480 active T-80 tanks before the war started and they have lost 343 of them, or approximately 71.5%.  Elite Guard units have been effectively destroyed, the VDV essentially no longer exist as a branch of the Russian military.

I haven't kept up with the war because I don't have television and I am uninterested in the spectator sport theatrics of this war.  So, I am not even going to say that everything  you said is anything except correct.  You know better than I.

Between your theory that Putin is sacrificing his best soldiers and equipment to perform some unimaginably complex strategy to take over Europe and the theory that an autocrat who surrounded himself with sycophants who refused to tell him any bad news or point out any flaws in anything he said had badly planned an invasion which of the two is more likely.

 Everything  you said makes perfect sense.  But again I am not a spectator of the war.  If you look at history though, the story is that Ronald Reagan told Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall and ushered in the end of the Cold War.  I lived it, I saw it, I know the story.  I just don't buy it.  Russia was going to implode anyway.  They could not hold the Union together anymore so they just let it crumble.  And they went back to their insane, diabolical planning. Meanwhile, back at the farm, country after country in the Western World coalesced to the idea that Socialism is a good thing.  So, I don't trust the story line of this war either.

I am not saying that you are wrong.  I am saying I don't trust any of it.  None of it makes any sense.  And, so, the story line, the Media Narrative is as you just described.  Everybody is watching the war...watching the Russians supposedly gasping for air and involved in a do or die catastrophe that they will most certainly lose.   That very well may be what is happening and I applaud it if that is the case.   

It  makes no sense to me that they would risk everything and  for what?  It does appear that Putin is a maniac.  But, I have questions and so I ask them.  I have thoughts and so I think them.  Like...Why now?  Why threaten the world with nuclear destruction?  Buying time?  For what?  No plan?  No follow up moves?  Just fight to the death?  Started something he couldn't win and can't finish and walk away from?  It certainly does seem to be the case.

Meanwhile, while everyone is watching Russia lose this war...what might they be planning that no one can yet see?  I don't know, my wish is that everything you say is true and that I am just somewhat delusional about all of it. 
.  I just have a gut feeling that something else is up Russia's sleeves.  I don't trust them.  I don't trust our government either.  So, what's a poor boy to do but speculate?  That's all I'm doing really.  My wish is that my speculations are wrong.  Sometimes, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck. 

[Hankenhunter]

5 hours ago, Trelane said:

Once again, you are wrong. There have been US forces stationed in Poland since the Obama administration. There's no 'repair shop' as you say.

Notice how he keeps saying "we" instead of "I"? Classic misinformation tactic. Psychology 101. Using it to show more support for his argument than actually exists. He falls back on this often. 

[Occult1]

6 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Notice how he keeps saying "we" instead of "I"? Classic misinformation tactic. Psychology 101. Using it to show more support for his argument than actually exists. He falls back on this often. 

''We'', meaning the people as a collectivity. ''I'' don't make any decision. ''We'' elect governments in the West that make decisions for us.

Edited November 27, 2022 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Sub-zero Ukraine restores power to millions in wake of Russian strikes on grid

Ukrainian authorities on Friday gradually restored power to millions of people left in the dark after the most devastating Russian airstrikes so far, aided by the reconnection of the country's four nuclear plants.

National power grid operator Ukrenergo said that as of 7 p.m. local time, 30 per cent of electricity supplies were still out, and it asked people to cut back on their energy use.

"Phased restoration of the power system is continuing. Repair crews are working around the clock," it said in a statement on the Telegram messaging service.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy went to the town of Vyshhorod, just north of the capital Kyiv, on Friday to look at a four-storey building damaged by a Russian missile. He also visited one of the many emergency centres that have been set up to provide heat, water, electricity and mobile communications.

"Together we will be able to go through this difficult path for our country. We will overcome all challenges and we will definitely win," he said in a video statement.

Sub-zero Ukraine restores power to millions in wake of Russian strikes on grid | CBC News

[bmk1245]

2 hours ago, joc said:

I can safely say you are completely and utterly wrong.

You seem stuck on this idea that Putin is some master strategist and everything done is part of some insanely complex plan that will end with a stunning Russian victory. 

It is obvious to me that you don't understand where I am coming from at all.  Putin is the figurehead for the Russian Communist Party.  He isn't calling the shots...he had too...nuff said on that.  I don't think that Russia is going to amaze the world with  a stunning victory.  I don't even think victory is a game  plan here.

The Russian Communist hierarchy is an insanely  maniacal and devious planner.  I would prefer that everything  you say is the truth.  I would prefer that I am  completely and utterly wrong.  And I very well may be.

The reality is that Putin messed up largely due to severe corruption throughout the Russian government and military along with the fact that he surrounded himself with sycophants which generally causes problems.

What is known is that at the start of the invasion there was no unified overall Russian command, instead each Russian military district was given a front and a list of objectives to achieve.  The Russian military districts due to no overall command had essentially zero coordination between themselves, competed with each other for resources cause each general wanted to make sure they achieved their objectives to save/advance themselves and not care how the other generals were doing, and frequently fought against themselves cause they had no idea where other districts were advancing or being pushed or stalling causing severe friendly fire incidents.  In April after multiple failures, embarrassments, and the loss of vital equipment and experienced soldiers the Russians finally created a unified overall command to coordinate the military districts.  Now they are just replacing the person in overall command every couple of months which creates it's own problems.

I don't doubt any of that is true.  In fact, I think everything you just said is correct.

Just looking at tanks alone Russia had at the start of the war Russia had approximately 13,127 tanks with 10,200 in reserve and 2,927 in active servics.  Since the war has been going on Russia has had to bring into active duty approximately 800 T-62/64 tanks.  According to documented picture losses, which are a lower estimate as losses will be higher than what is pictured, Russia has been confirmed to of lost 1,513 tanks.  To give a further idea of how bad it is Russia had 480 active T-80 tanks before the war started and they have lost 343 of them, or approximately 71.5%.  Elite Guard units have been effectively destroyed, the VDV essentially no longer exist as a branch of the Russian military.

I haven't kept up with the war because I don't have television and I am uninterested in the spectator sport theatrics of this war.  So, I am not even going to say that everything  you said is anything except correct.  You know better than I.

Between your theory that Putin is sacrificing his best soldiers and equipment to perform some unimaginably complex strategy to take over Europe and the theory that an autocrat who surrounded himself with sycophants who refused to tell him any bad news or point out any flaws in anything he said had badly planned an invasion which of the two is more likely.

 Everything  you said makes perfect sense.  But again I am not a spectator of the war.  If you look at history though, the story is that Ronald Reagan told Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall and ushered in the end of the Cold War.  I lived it, I saw it, I know the story.  I just don't buy it.  Russia was going to implode anyway.  They could not hold the Union together anymore so they just let it crumble.  And they went back to their insane, diabolical planning. Meanwhile, back at the farm, country after country in the Western World coalesced to the idea that Socialism is a good thing.  So, I don't trust the story line of this war either.

I am not saying that you are wrong.  I am saying I don't trust any of it.  None of it makes any sense.  And, so, the story line, the Media Narrative is as you just described.  Everybody is watching the war...watching the Russians supposedly gasping for air and involved in a do or die catastrophe that they will most certainly lose.   That very well may be what is happening and I applaud it if that is the case.   

It  makes no sense to me that they would risk everything and  for what?  It does appear that Putin is a maniac.  But, I have questions and so I ask them.  I have thoughts and so I think them.  Like...Why now?  Why threaten the world with nuclear destruction?  Buying time?  For what?  No plan?  No follow up moves?  Just fight to the death?  Started something he couldn't win and can't finish and walk away from?  It certainly does seem to be the case.

Meanwhile, while everyone is watching Russia lose this war...what might they be planning that no one can yet see?  I don't know, my wish is that everything you say is true and that I am just somewhat delusional about all of it. 
.  I just have a gut feeling that something else is up Russia's sleeves.  I don't trust them.  I don't trust our government either.  So, what's a poor boy to do but speculate?  That's all I'm doing really.  My wish is that my speculations are wrong.  Sometimes, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck. 

In short:

1) putler expected quick victory, even his troops brought parade uniforms;

2) putler sees himself as Peter the Great 2.0;

3) putler won't stop in Ukraine (if Ukraine falls).

[jethrofloyd]

[Helen of Annoy]

[Helen of Annoy]

 

Ukraine needs more weapons. russia needs to **** off. russian apologist b****es included. 

[bmk1245]

43 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Simple pic worth thousand words

[Helen of Annoy]

 

russians are incapable of learning. Though, some of them learned to fly recently