Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[DarkHunter]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

You do realize that the only source of information for this claim is Ukrainian officials?

It's clearly not the most objective source and is most likely nothing more than propaganda.

Then why doesnt Russia present any of these killed generals and show that Ukraine is fabricating information.

Of course the pics of the one dead general you refuse to accept, probably refuse to accept the intercepted Russian communication talking about the other dead general too.

I guess you would know a lot about propaganda as you recently made a post trying to blame Azov for blowing up a theater full of children, despite Russia bragging about blowing up the theater initially.

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

14 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

As for the Azov Battalion why do you assume that I support them ? Please point out where I have ever said anything that would indicate support for neo nazis. If you can't are you honest enough to retract your assertion ?

@Occult1 I guess that since you have been back a few times after I posted this question I will take that as a big no. I can't say I'm surprised. Honesty is not you strong point is it ?

[spartan max2]

11 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Mariupol: Ukraine rejects Russian offer to surrender port city

''Ukraine has rejected a Russian ultimatum offering people in the besieged city of Mariupol safe passage out of the port if they surrender.

[...]

Under the plans, Russian troops would have opened safe corridors out of Mariupol from 10:00 Moscow time (07:00 GMT), initially for Ukrainian troops and "foreign mercenaries" to disarm and leave the city.

After two hours, Russian forces say they would then have allowed humanitarian convoys with food, medicine and other supplies to enter the city safely, once the de-mining of the roads was complete.''

Russian Gen Mizintsev admitted that a terrible humanitarian catastrophe was unfolding there - and said the offer would have allowed civilians to flee safely to either the east or west.''

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60816885

 

There comes a time when you have to admit defeat.

I agree.

How many more Russians is Putin willing to sacrifice until he can finally admit that his invasion failed.

 

Also, the offer to flee yet they refuse to, and instead want to fight. Who are the Russians supposedly "liberating" these people from again? Lol 

Edited March 21, 2022 by spartan max2

[Myles]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

I agree.

How many more Russians is Putin willing to sacrifice until he can finally admit that his invasion failed.

 

Also, the offer to flee yet they refuse to, and instead want to fight. Who are the Russians supposedly "liberating" these people from again? Lol 

I'm unsure how this invasion would be defined as "failed".  If he pulled out, of course it failed.  If he sacrifices more lives than expected, wouldn't it be defined as poorly planned or something like that.  A failure of sorts, but if he meets his goal it wouldn't be a failure.  

[odas]

26 minutes ago, Myles said:

I'm unsure how this invasion would be defined as "failed".  If he pulled out, of course it failed.  If he sacrifices more lives than expected, wouldn't it be defined as poorly planned or something like that.  A failure of sorts, but if he meets his goal it wouldn't be a failure.  

The invasion was to be done in a few days, a week tops. Within the time frame Zelensky was supposed to be captured, killed... within this time frame all of Ukraine was supposed to be occupied. Within this time frame the Baltics, Poland, Czech Republic...the Balkans were supposed to be put on note to turn away from Nato and "peacefully" surrender to Putin's will. Within this time frame the West and Nato were supposed to be quiet and let things happen, because of the "mighty russian power". Within that time frame all middle east countries, including Israel, were supposed to pledge alligiance to the new sheriff in town ( as I predicted back in 2014/2015 if the west does not change their approach to middle east ). Hence the slow response by Israel and the arab countries regarding the assault on Ukraine.

Yes, it failed. Even if Ukraine falls, Putin's plans failed. He still has a few supporters on the Balkans like the bosnian serbs and serbs in serbia...but that's it.

Putin failed. 

 

[Myles]

45 minutes ago, odas said:

The invasion was to be done in a few days, a week tops. Within the time frame Zelensky was supposed to be captured, killed... within this time frame all of Ukraine was supposed to be occupied. Within this time frame the Baltics, Poland, Czech Republic...the Balkans were supposed to be put on note to turn away from Nato and "peacefully" surrender to Putin's will. Within this time frame the West and Nato were supposed to be quiet and let things happen, because of the "mighty russian power". Within that time frame all middle east countries, including Israel, were supposed to pledge alligiance to the new sheriff in town ( as I predicted back in 2014/2015 if the west does not change their approach to middle east ). Hence the slow response by Israel and the arab countries regarding the assault on Ukraine.

Yes, it failed. Even if Ukraine falls, Putin's plans failed. He still has a few supporters on the Balkans like the bosnian serbs and serbs in serbia...but that's it.

Putin failed. 

 

I had never read what their initial plan was.   Was it disclosed that it was to be accomplished in a week?   I'm certain that it has taken longer than planned.  If the goal was to take Ukraine no matter how long it takes or how many casualties it takes then it hasn't failed yet.  Certain parts have failed but not the end goal yet.

[ExpandMyMind]

13 minutes ago, Myles said:

I had never read what their initial plan was.   Was it disclosed that it was to be accomplished in a week?   I'm certain that it has taken longer than planned.  If the goal was to take Ukraine no matter how long it takes or how many casualties it takes then it hasn't failed yet.  Certain parts have failed but not the end goal yet.

The soldiers arrived with their military parade gear packed.

[+OverSword]

3 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Who are the Russians supposedly "liberating" these people from again? Lol 

Nazi's 

[spartan max2]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

Nazi's 

Ah yes. I forgot. All the people refusing to surrender must be nazis of course . So many of them.

Edited March 21, 2022 by spartan max2

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:

Ah yes. I forgot. All the people refusing to surrender must be nazis of course . So many of them.

Nazi's is a go to for a lot of people who are delusional fanatics.

[spartan max2]

42 minutes ago, Myles said:

I had never read what their initial plan was.   Was it disclosed that it was to be accomplished in a week?   I'm certain that it has taken longer than planned.  If the goal was to take Ukraine no matter how long it takes or how many casualties it takes then it hasn't failed yet.  Certain parts have failed but not the end goal yet.

This is just second hand knowledge from my brother, and I'm just a random dude on the internet.

But from what he told me the US intelligence expected Ukraine to lose within a week and they are suprised at how badly the Russian military is preforming. 

He thinks it might be a case of the Russian military telling their superiors (Putin) what he wants to hear.

 

Edited March 21, 2022 by spartan max2

[DarkHunter]

Hearing reports that Russia is down to 60% of its jet and helicopter capability for the invasion of Ukraine, which if accurate is massive.

This 60% is not the entirety of the Russian airforce but jets and helicopters they set aside for the invasion.  Also this doesnt mean Ukraine has shot down 40% of the jets and aircrafts Russia set aside.  More than likely Russian jets are starting to be grounded due to logistic issues with getting parts for maintenance and with air crews not having the experience with rapid and constant maintenance and thus not able to keep up with combat operations.  But Ukrains has shot down a decent amount of jets and even just damaging a jet with a missile might keep it grounded for the rest of the war, like a Russian Su-25 that had been hit with a stinger.  It managed to land but had one of its jet engines destroyed along with a few control surfaces on the tail severely damaged or destroyed.

[DarkHunter]

Starting to hear some reports, they dont seem independently confirmed yet, that the Russian government has taken 60,000 civilians from Mariupol and taken them to Russia.  Once in Russis they have supposedly been distributed to areas far from the border, forced to sign papers promising they wont leave Russia, that the Ukranian military has targeted civilians/used civilians as human shields, and that they will work for free in jobs that help the Russian war effort.

If the report is true Russia has essentially abducted 60,000 civilians and are using them as slave labor.

[Occult1]

Zelensky Purges Opposition Parties Days After US Sends Billions of Dollars To ‘Save Democracy’

''President Zelensky, who is one of Klaus Schwab’s Young Global Leaders, announced the purge of opposition parties in a video released via Telegram on Sunday.

The National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine decided to ban “any activity” of the following parties: Opposition Party — For Life, Shariy Party, Nashi, Opposition Bloc, Left Opposition, Union of Left Forces, State, Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, Socialist Party of Ukraine, Socialists Party and Volodymyr Saldo Bloc, Zelenskyy said.

The Ukrainian government has also implemented a “unified information policy” that effectively bans all independent media and combines all remaining news outlets into one government controlled media platform called “United

News.”''

 

https://newspunch.com/zelensky-purges-opposition-parties-days-after-us-sends-billions-of-dollars-to-save-democracy/

See also: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/zelensky-nationalizes-tv-news-restricts-173820471.html

 

A great model for democracy.

Edited March 21, 2022 by Occult1

[+OverSword]

11 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

https://newspunch.com/zelensky-purges-opposition-parties-days-after-us-sends-billions-of-dollars-to-save-democracy/

See also: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/zelensky-nationalizes-tv-news-restricts-173820471.html

 

A great model for democracy.

First link:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/news-punch/

Second link says he nationalized TV, to control the news during martial law, obviously and to restrict opposition, also just the sensible thing to do when there is an invading army controlling parts of your country.

 

[Occult1]

25 minutes ago, OverSword said:

First link:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/news-punch/

Second link says he nationalized TV, to control the news during martial law, obviously and to restrict opposition, also just the sensible thing to do when there is an invading army controlling parts of your country.

 

The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/ukraine-suspends-11-political-parties-with-links-to-russia

Axios: https://www.axios.com/ukraine-ban-political-parties-russian-ties-af264ecd-9ad4-4e98-9f87-76f32300fd5f.html

 

Zelensky banned all opposition parties, including one with 44 seats. Nobody can criticize or challenge his policies any more. I think he is moving towards dictatorship. The need to shut down opposition and impose strict, totalitarian control over the media expose cracks in his narrative. How is it different from Russia and Putin?

Edited March 21, 2022 by Occult1

[spartan max2]

1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/ukraine-suspends-11-political-parties-with-links-to-russia

Axios: https://www.axios.com/ukraine-ban-political-parties-russian-ties-af264ecd-9ad4-4e98-9f87-76f32300fd5f.html

 

Zelensky banned all opposition parties, including one with 44 seats. Nobody can criticize or challenge his policies any more. I think he is moving towards dictatorship. The needs to shut down opposition and impose strict, totalitarian control over the media expose cracks in his narrative. How is it different from Russia and Putin?

Eh, its sort of normal behavior during wartime. If you look at the US history during the civil war or at Great Britain's History during WW2, the red scare in the US.

Having opposition parties that want you to join your enemy is always a weird moral deliemma for democracies. 

[Occult1]

4 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Having opposition parties that want you to join your enemy is always a weird moral deliemma for democracies. 

Maybe far from all the population sees Russia as the ennemy?

If all of Ukraine was united and behind Zelensky there would be no need for such totalitarianism. It reeks of insecurity to me.

Edited March 21, 2022 by Occult1

[Grey Area]

18 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Maybe far from all the population sees Russia as the ennemy?

If all of Ukraine was united and behind Zelensky there would be no need for such totalitarianism. It reeks of insecurity to me.

At least he hasn’t poisoned any of the opposition.

[Occult1]

12 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

At least he hasn’t poisoned any of the opposition.

The leader of Opposition Platform for Life, who has a substantial base in the Russian speaking population in Ukraine’s east has been arrested and put on house arrest. You have to wonder, If these parties have no support (which would mean purging them doesn't infringe on democracy), why are they a threat? And If they do have support among the population (which would challenge the West's narrative), why hasn't there been a hint of this in our media until now.

 

Edited March 21, 2022 by Occult1

[spartan max2]

50 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Maybe far from all the population sees Russia as the ennemy?

Is that why Mariupol is not surrendering? 

Edited March 21, 2022 by spartan max2

[DarkHunter]

29 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

The leader of Opposition Platform for Life, who has a substantial base in the Russian speaking population in Ukraine’s east has been arrested and put on house arrest. You have to wonder, If these parties have no support (which would mean purging them doesn't infringe on democracy), why are they a threat? And If they do have support among the population (which would challenge the West's narrative), why hasn't there been a hint of this in our media until now.

 

As with most things you post a lot of that information is wrong.

The leader of the Opposition Platform for Life was not placed under house arrest.  The leader is Yuriy Boyko, the person who was placed under house arrest was Viktor Medvedchuk who was second in command of the party.  Viktor Medvedchuk had been placed under house arrest since May where he was found guilty of treason for helping to finance the separatists in Luhansk and Donetsk.

Even then the Opposition Platform for Life has come out condemning the Russian invasion and calling for the Russian government to remove its troops from Ukraine, it's one elected official who came out in favor of Russia invading Ukraine was kicked out of the party.

[ExpandMyMind]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Maybe far from all the population sees Russia as the ennemy?

If all of Ukraine was united and behind Zelensky there would be no need for such totalitarianism. It reeks of insecurity to me.

It’s clear what the vast majority of the population think of Russia.

The parties he banned ‘Have ties to Russia’. Also known as, ‘Are controlled by the Kremlin’.

Or have you forgotten that Russia controlled the puppet government there before the populist Zelensky was voted into power?

[+razman]

I dont know . it seems there is so much news comming from different sides and some disinformation in there , thats its hard to get a clear picture of whats really happening. Or actually verifying it. It may be some time before the fog clears.

[Occult1]

1 hour ago, ExpandMyMind said:

The parties he banned ‘Have ties to Russia’. Also known as, ‘Are controlled by the Kremlin’.

Seems like a convenient excuse to ban all forms of opposition. The opposition to Zelensky is lumped into the ''Pro-Russian'' camp for the only reason that it is not Pro-NATO/E.U.

You do realize that that most of these parties have publicly opposed Russian intervention?

In any other country, you would be the first to admit that it's a move towards dictatorship.

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Or have you forgotten that Russia controlled the puppet government there before the populist Zelensky was voted into power?

In 2014, a democratically elected  president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, was overthrown.

People actually voted for that government to be put in power. That's how democracy works.

Edited March 21, 2022 by Occult1