Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Occult1]

10 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

So… basically Putin murders a whole bunch of folks in the Ukraine to get …. Exactly what he had before. 

The Ukrainian Military have been bombing and killing innocent civilians in the Donbass since 2014. Seems you have forgotten about that.

Edited March 28, 2022 by Occult1

[Helen of Annoy]

An example of a person that is called an "innocent Donbas civilian" by Russian propaganda: 

(the link leads to the machine translation of the original article)

 https://www-index-hr.translate.goog/vijesti/clanak/ukrajinci-zarobili-smo-zloglasnu-srpsku-snajperisticu-bagiru/2351225.aspx?_x_tr_sl=hr&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=hr&_x_tr_pto=wapp

 

 UKRAINIAN armed forces announced on social networks that they had captured the infamous Serbian sniper Bagira, who has been fighting for pro-Russian separatists in Donbas for years. 

They pointed out that Bagira, real name Danijela Lazović, shot at their soldiers captured in parts of Donbas controlled by separatists in 2014. 

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Information about Lazović's capture was also published by Giorgi Revishvili, a researcher in the Department of War Studies at King's College London. He said she was responsible for killing 40 Ukrainians, including civilians. Ukrainians have been trying to catch her for years. 

In 2014, Danijela Lazovic joined pro-Russian separatists in the Donetsk region. She is said to have been a sniper in the 11th Specialized Division. 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

6 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

In addition, the plutonium charge must be changed every 10 years.

This is the first I am hearing about that.
I'm not really savvy on this, but based on my cursory Googling the half-life of Pu-239 (Plutonium used in Russia's nukes) is 24,100 years, so I am not sure why the "charge" needs to be replaced every 10 years. 

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

9 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

This is the first I am hearing about that.
I'm not really savvy on this, but based on my cursory Googling the half-life of Pu-239 (Plutonium used in Russia's nukes) is 24,100 years, so I am not sure why the "charge" needs to be replaced every 10 years. 

Yeah that sound weird. He must be talking about the tritium in weapons using bosted fission. Tritium have a relatively short half life.

[Saru]

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I appreciate that emotions are running high right now but could we please try to keep the conversation civil and avoid making things personal.

Thank you.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The Ukrainian Military have been bombing and killing innocent civilians in the Donbass since 2014. Seems you have forgotten about that.

Whichvwouldn’t have happened …. If Russia hadn’t invaded. Not excusing a war crime, but Russia created the environment it occurred. 

[Occult1]

1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Whichvwouldn’t have happened …. If Russia hadn’t invaded. Not excusing a war crime, but Russia created the environment it occurred. 

We can all agree that Ukraine will need to be split up in a North/South Korea type scenario. That's how further conflicts will be prevented.

Russia will influence and protect Eastern Ukraine, while the U.S. will keep the Western half with the Zelensky regime in Kiyv.

Edited March 28, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

18 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

We can all agree that Ukraine will need to be split up in a North/South Korea type scenario. That's how further conflicts will be prevented.

Russia will influence and protect Eastern Ukraine, while the U.S. will keep the Western half with the Zelensky regime in Kiyv.

Or Ukraine can be reunited into a single country with Donetsk, Lunetsk, and Crimea returned to Ukraine and Russia withdrawing its military completely.  

Is interesting you went from Russia will take over all of Ukraine to Ukraine needs to be divided to give Russia a buffer state.

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

26 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

We can all agree that Ukraine will need to be split up in a North/South Korea type scenario. That's how further conflicts will be prevented.

No we can't. In any event it doesn't matter what we think, unless we are Ukranian.

North and South Korea only have a ceasefire with eachother. Since the Korean war started in 1950 there have not been an actual peacetreaty...... and this is your example of a good solution ? 

26 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia will influence and protect Eastern Ukraine, while the U.S. will keep the Western half with the Zelensky regime in Kiyv.

Outside powers deciding to split up a country have a history of resulting in war, just look at Ireland, India, Palestine, Vietnam and Korea. 

History isn't your strong point is it ?

Edited March 28, 2022 by Noteverythingisaconspiracy

[jmccr8]

44 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

We can all agree that Ukraine will need to be split up in a North/South Korea type scenario. That's how further conflicts will be prevented.

Russia will influence and protect Eastern Ukraine, while the U.S. will keep the Western half with the Zelensky regime in Kiyv.

Hi Occult

You may presume that we can all agree however having been following this thread since it started think I can safely say that you and maybe a couple others might agree but certainly not the majority of posters or even half agree with you.

[DarkHunter]

The town of Irpin near Kyiv has been completely liberated.  Russia tried to reverse the Ukranian advancd with a counter attack on multiple towns, I think 5 or 6, near Kyiv and the Ukranian military repulsed the attacks at every town.  The siege of Sumy has been broken by the Ukranian military, on the eastern front multiple Russian attacks hav been repulsed.  Ukranian military continues to advance on Kherson, reports of fighting occuring now at towns on the outskirts of the city of Kherson.

Edited March 28, 2022 by DarkHunter

[Occult1]

1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

Is interesting you went from Russia will take over all of Ukraine to Ukraine needs to be divided to give Russia a buffer state.

I wasn't sure what Russia had planned for Western Ukraine.

Clearly Putin has no interest in taking those cities and a neutralization/demilitarization appears satisfactory. Those objectives are almost already completed.

Edited March 28, 2022 by Occult1

[+Razman]

11 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I wasn't sure what Russia had planned for Western Ukraine.

Clearly Putin has no interest in taking those cities and a neutralization/demilitarization appears satisfactory. Those objectives are almost already completed.

Honestly , how long do you think it would take Ukraine to get back to the military level they were before this started , if not better?

[jmccr8]

12 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I wasn't sure what Russia had planned for Western Ukraine.

Clearly Putin has no interest in taking those cities and a neutralization/demilitarization appears satisfactory. Those objectives are almost already completed.

Hi Occult

RUBBISH, Putin went in thinking he was going to take the whole country, if he hadn't then he never would have sent military forces in with orders to capture Kyiv and kill or kidnap their president.

[DarkHunter]

49 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I wasn't sure what Russia had planned for Western Ukraine.

Clearly Putin has no interest in taking those cities and a neutralization/demilitarization appears satisfactory. Those objectives are almost already completed.

So sending a 40 mile long convoy, which you did claim was about to take over Kyiv, meant Putin had no interest in the western part of Ukraine.  Also odd they would then take Kherson and head west till they were stopped at Mykolaiv with multiple failed assaults on the city.

You can try to spin your Russian propaganda and misinformation as much as you want but your past post are there for everyone to see.

[+joc]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

We can all agree that Ukraine will need to be split up in a North/South Korea type scenario. That's how further conflicts will be prevented.

Russia will influence and protect Eastern Ukraine, while the U.S. will keep the Western half with the Zelensky regime in Kiyv.

Well, we do not all agree to anything remotely  similar to what you have stated.

The Ukraine has been toying with the idea of joining NATO since 1992...Crimea was attacked by Russia in 2014 and Ukraine has still not joined NATO.  One could say that it's their own fault then...but one would be in total and complete err.  Russia had no right to attack Ukraine.  But they did.  The only thing Russia needs to do now is  withdraw...from Ukraine AND Crimea...and start  writing very large checks to the Ukrainian People. 

This happened under Biden's watch...the same Biden that refused to give 6 billion dollars to Ukraine if they didn't get rid of the attorney he wanted them to.  Instead of playing personal politics with Ukraine when Biden was VP...perhaps he could have been encouraging them to join NATO...who knows.  The bottom line is this is all Russia's fault...but...it did happen on the Biden Watch...also known as Obama's Third Term.

Edited March 29, 2022 by joc

[Occult1]

2 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

No we can't. In any event it doesn't matter what we think, unless we are Ukranian.

North and South Korea only have a ceasefire with eachother. Since the Korean war started in 1950 there have not been an actual peacetreaty...... and this is your example of a good solution ? 

Outside powers deciding to split up a country have a history of resulting in war, just look at Ireland, India, Palestine, Vietnam and Korea. 

History isn't your strong point is it ?

The DPR/LPR and (West)Ukraine have been at war since 2014. The Minsk agreements have failed to resolve the conflict. The U.S. and Russia are the ones pulling the strings and competing for spheres of influence. The Ukrainian war is a proxy war for a new Cold War. That's what you need to accept. History repeats itself so there is point complaining about Ukraine's sovereignty. The stalemate can only be resolved by a division between a Russian-backed government in the east and an American-backed government in the West. This is already the case in reality. There is no going back. Russia is simply carving out the territory needed for a proper division.

Edited March 29, 2022 by Occult1

[spartan max2]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

I wasn't sure what Russia had planned for Western Ukraine.

Clearly Putin has no interest in taking those cities and a neutralization/demilitarization appears satisfactory. Those objectives are almost already completed.

This is how I know Putin isn't doing so well.

His supporters are already coping with statements like this lol

[DarkHunter]

There is circumstantial evidence, basically flight tracking, that high up members of the Russian government with potentially Putin have moved to a nuclear bunker in the Ural mountains.

That would suggest they are afraid of something occuring.  Could be they are planning the use of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapon use in Ukraine or are afraid of potential uprisings among the military/civilian population.  At the start of April, I believe April 1, the new conscripts get drafted into the Russian military and the previous group leaves.  Probably wont be good when people start asking questions were certain conscripts who didnt return home are at.

[+Razman]

36 minutes ago, joc said:

The only thing Russia needs to do now is  withdraw...from Ukraine AND Crimea...and start  writing very large checks to the Ukrainian People. 

I figure at some point it will come about where they will say the seized money and/or properties from the sanctions will be used to rebuild Ukraine.

[Occult1]

6 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

There is circumstantial evidence, basically flight tracking, that high up members of the Russian government with potentially Putin have moved to a nuclear bunker in the Ural mountains.

That would suggest they are afraid of something occuring.  Could be they are planning the use of chemical, biological, or nuclear weapon use in Ukraine or are afraid of potential uprisings among the military/civilian population.  At the start of April, I believe April 1, the new conscripts get drafted into the Russian military and the previous group leaves.  Probably wont be good when people start asking questions were certain conscripts who didnt return home are at.

Source?

[DarkHunter]

2 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Source?

Bellingcat investigator, seems he tracks the movements of high up officials in the Russian government along with following what they say and do.

[Occult1]

Russia Sends More Mercenaries To Fight In Ukraine’s East, Per U.S. And U.K. Officials

''Russia is expected to deploy more than 1,000 mercenaries of the Wagner group, including senior leaders of the private defense group, to eastern Ukraine, the U.K. Ministry of Defense said in an intelligence update Monday, echoing reports from unnamed U.S. and western officials who spoke to the New York Times in a story released Friday.

Russia has reprioritized the defense group — which is similar to defense contractors used by Western nations — by pulling personnel away from other assigned missions in Africa and Syria to focus on its war with Ukraine, according to the U.K. intelligence report.''

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-sends-more-mercenaries-to-fight-in-ukraine-e2-80-99s-east-per-us-and-uk-officials/ar-AAVBoVv?ocid=uxbndlbing

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

9 hours ago, Occult1 said:

We can all agree that Ukraine will need to be split up in a North/South Korea type scenario. That's how further conflicts will be prevented.

ummm no?

Sensible people would agree that if Russia stopped invading Ukraine, there’d be no more conflict.

9 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Russia will influence and protect Eastern Ukraine, while the U.S. will keep the Western half with the Zelensky regime in Kiyv.

BUILD-A-WALL….. BUILD-A-WALL….. BUILD-A-WALL….

 

I mean, it worked so well in Berlin.

[+and-then]

Naval electronic warfare aircraft are being sent to eastern Europe.