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Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?


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3 minutes ago, and then said:

Did you notice that they are openly admitting to bombing CIVILIANS?

The quote is from a Pro-Ukrainian news site (UKRinform).

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During the day, on April 24, in the area of the operational and tactical group "East", the Russian fascist troops carried out 1 attack. Ukrainian defenders destroyed: up to 100 personnel; tanks - 3; BMP - 17; artillery tractors - 10; artillery systems - 2; UAV - 1 ".

Russia is preparing an offensive on Krivoy Rog from the Kherson region. The city is ready for defense.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has lost interest in a diplomatic end to the war with Ukraine and intends to seize as many territories as possible.

Officials in Kiev are concerned that Putin may go further and try to seize the entire southeast, cutting off Ukraine from the sea. Concerns are growing about Moscow's ability to use tactical nuclear weapons in the event of further failures in Ukraine, two Financial Times interlocutors said.

Former US military and CIA analyst Jeffrey Edmonds believes that the Russian Armed Forces in Donbass have some advantages in the supply chain of fuel and ammunition. But incompetent command of the troops, poor tactics and training of the military will not allow the occupiers to advance.

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45 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Wasn't it Boris Johnson who claimed 2 days ago that the war in Ukraine could last until the end of 2023 ?

 

''Just outside the Donbas, Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkiv, is partially blockaded by Russian forces, the Ukrainian military said Saturday. The city, once home to nearly 1.5 million people, has been pounded by almost nonstop bombardment for weeks.''

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-fends-off-russian-attacks-085958313.html

 

This comes from the Ukrainian military itself.

Boris isnt UK intelligence, hes an incompetent ****.

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Russian cruiser Moskva.jpg

January 1983: Slava.

April 2000: Moskva.

April 2022: Snake Island Memorial Reef.

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Swiss veto German request to re-export ammunition to Ukraine - paper

ZURICH (Reuters) - Neutral Switzerland has held up German arms deliveries to Ukraine by blocking the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Marder infantry fighting vehicles that Kyiv would like to get, Swiss paper SonntagsZeitung reported.

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"Both of Germany's requests were answered in the negative with reference to Swiss neutrality and the mandatory rejection criteria of the war material legislation," it quoted the spokesperson as saying.

Switzerland has departed with past practice and adopted European Union sanctions designed to punish Russian for invading Ukraine, but has said its neutrality does not permit providing arms in conflict zones.

Last month it rejected Poland's request for arms to help neighbouring Ukraine.

https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/swiss-veto-german-request-export-062802539.html

 

I think Ukraine should take exemple from Switzerland. How much trouble would have been saved if they had remained a neutral country.

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37 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I think Ukraine should take exemple from Switzerland. How much trouble would have been saved if they had remained a neutral country.

None.  Russia has no respect for neutral countries when Putin is trying to reinvent Imperial Russia with himself as  Tsar.

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6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The quote is from a Pro-Ukrainian news site (UKRinform).

Thanks for the correction.

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3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Swiss veto German request to re-export ammunition to Ukraine - paper

ZURICH (Reuters) - Neutral Switzerland has held up German arms deliveries to Ukraine by blocking the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Marder infantry fighting vehicles that Kyiv would like to get, Swiss paper SonntagsZeitung reported.

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"Both of Germany's requests were answered in the negative with reference to Swiss neutrality and the mandatory rejection criteria of the war material legislation," it quoted the spokesperson as saying.

Switzerland has departed with past practice and adopted European Union sanctions designed to punish Russian for invading Ukraine, but has said its neutrality does not permit providing arms in conflict zones.

Last month it rejected Poland's request for arms to help neighbouring Ukraine.

https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/swiss-veto-german-request-export-062802539.html

 

I think Ukraine should take exemple from Switzerland. How much trouble would have been saved if they had remained a neutral country.

Well they were a neutral country weren't they? Anyway it seems like Switzerland is maybe scared somewhat, with good reason though with the Russian "Borg" over there trying to assimilate.

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Hours ago multiple explosions were heard in Bryansk, Russia shortly before the oil depot located there burned down.

Not clear if it was sabotage, missile strike, cyber warfare, or an industrial accident but Bryansk is approximately 75 miles away from the Ukranian border.  Besides from the damage of losing a major oil depot if it was an attack it shows that Ukraine is capable of expanding the war significantly into Russian territory.  

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6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Swiss veto German request to re-export ammunition to Ukraine - paper

ZURICH (Reuters) - Neutral Switzerland has held up German arms deliveries to Ukraine by blocking the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Marder infantry fighting vehicles that Kyiv would like to get, Swiss paper SonntagsZeitung reported.

[...]

"Both of Germany's requests were answered in the negative with reference to Swiss neutrality and the mandatory rejection criteria of the war material legislation," it quoted the spokesperson as saying.

Switzerland has departed with past practice and adopted European Union sanctions designed to punish Russian for invading Ukraine, but has said its neutrality does not permit providing arms in conflict zones.

Last month it rejected Poland's request for arms to help neighbouring Ukraine.

https://ca.movies.yahoo.com/swiss-veto-german-request-export-062802539.html

 

I think Ukraine should take exemple from Switzerland. How much trouble would have been saved if they had remained a neutral country.

Ahh yes…. The much vaunted Swiss neutrality. As long as the money keeps coming in, the Swiss will stay neutrally on your side. 

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3 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

Hours ago multiple explosions were heard in Bryansk, Russia shortly before the oil depot located there burned down.

Not clear if it was sabotage, missile strike, cyber warfare, or an industrial accident but Bryansk is approximately 75 miles away from the Ukranian border.  Besides from the damage of losing a major oil depot if it was an attack it shows that Ukraine is capable of expanding the war significantly into Russian territory.  

Clearly an industrial accident, just like the navy ship, and all of the blunders so far

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13 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Russian forces are partially blockading the city of Kharkiv, according to a Saturday (23 April) update from Ukraine's general staff.

 

''In the Slobozhanskyi direction, Russian troops continue to partially blockade the city of Kharkiv, launch artillery strikes on the positions of Ukrainian forces and civil infrastructure facilities near Chuhuiv, Korobochkino and Dovhenke.''

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3465674-russian-troops-attempt-to-speed-up-the-offensive-in-eastern-ukraine-general-staff.html

 

Are you saying you know better than the Ukrainian Military?

Essentially what you are saying and posting on this specific matter is complete and utter nonsense.  I'm guessing you probably know that but dont care as it helps push your narrative and on the surface seems to give it legitimacy.  You are probably hoping no one would actually look into it.

All the stuff you are trying to cite in your defense of your position essentially comes from two sources. 

The first are articles that are citing stuff from about a month or so ago for stuff happening right now.  That is mostly from lazy editors and authors who arent really paying attention to what they are doing and more concerned with just producing articles than how accurate or relevant the information is inside them.

The second is from the official General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine facebook page.  On this facebook page they post stuff in both Ukranian and English, their English post dont have perfect translations but overall they are rather good but still have some issues.  The stuff they post in Ukranian though for whatever reason is automatically translated into English using a computer translator on facebook, which has rather significant translation issues as one would expect.  The pro-Ukranian site you linked to and quoted just does a copy/paste of the automatically translated Ukranian text.

To give an example of the translation issue both of these are from General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine facebook page, the first is their own English post and the second is the facebook automated translation which I had to screen shot as for whatever weird technical issue facebook is having on their phone app I could only copy and paste from their English posts and not their Ukranian ones.

First a paragraph from English post from their status of the conflict as of 18.00 on April 24.  Only reason for going with this is it's the first instance of the partial blockade issue that shows up in reverse chronological order on facebook that I noticed.

"In the Slobozhansky direction, weapons and military equipment of  russian enemy are being transferred to the Kupyansk district.  russian occupiers continue to partially block the city of Kharkiv, trying to carry out fire damage to units of our troops and critical infrastructure."

Same post but from their Ukranian automatically translated into English

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As is quickly apparent their are some differences between the two, particularly their English post uses partially block while the automatic translation uses partial blockade.  The automatic translation also has various grammatical errors as would be expected from a computer translation.  Initially this might seem like a splitting hairs type situation as partially block and partial blockade seem rather similar but this is where how I mentioned their English post are better but still have translation issues.  Essentially near every time Russian forces are mentioned in relation to a place and direction the Ukranians use the word block in their post for whatever reason.  

In essence what you tried to quote and use for your defense of Kharkiv being blockaded is essentially a bad translation of saying Russian troops north east of Kharkiv are still using artillery to attack the city.

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4 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

Hours ago multiple explosions were heard in Bryansk, Russia shortly before the oil depot located there burned down.

Emergency services told the RIA Novosti news agency that another site it declined to identify has also been engulfed in the fire.

Military analyst Rob Lee said on Twitter that reports indicated the second location could be a military base with on-site fuel tanks. He suggested the fires may have been caused by a Tochka-U tactical ballistic missile, which has the range to reach both targets if deployed near the Russian-Ukrainian border.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/25/fire-engulfs-key-russian-oil-depot-near-ukraine-a77477

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1 minute ago, Eldorado said:

Emergency services told the RIA Novosti news agency that another site it declined to identify has also been engulfed in the fire.

Military analyst Rob Lee said on Twitter that reports indicated the second location could be a military base with on-site fuel tanks. He suggested the fires may have been caused by a Tochka-U tactical ballistic missile, which has the range to reach both targets if deployed near the Russian-Ukrainian border.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/25/fire-engulfs-key-russian-oil-depot-near-ukraine-a77477

No doubt Russia are gonna want "revenge" so will start hitting civilians again. Cause you know, Ukraine started this war and invaded Russia first. Blyat.

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35 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

Emergency services told the RIA Novosti news agency that another site it declined to identify has also been engulfed in the fire.

Military analyst Rob Lee said on Twitter that reports indicated the second location could be a military base with on-site fuel tanks. He suggested the fires may have been caused by a Tochka-U tactical ballistic missile, which has the range to reach both targets if deployed near the Russian-Ukrainian border.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/25/fire-engulfs-key-russian-oil-depot-near-ukraine-a77477

A ballistic missile strike is probably the most likely reason, there were reports of explosions followed by fires.  A cyber attack in theory could cause the depot to blow up by messing with pumps and pressure levels.  Special forces could in theory do it but having them travel 75 miles into Russia would be extremely risky just to attack a target that could be attacked by other means.  An industrial accident is possible given Russia's lack of maintenance and safety regulations on top of sanctions preventing much needed components getting imported, eventually vital electronic components in Russia will start to break, not just for fuel depots but communication equipment, electrical equipment, ect.  Could very well end up with a Russia where the government in Moscow might be forced to rely on carrier to get messages between central and far eastern Russia assuming they would be able to communicate at all as it's possible rail lines connecting these regions could become impassable as trains start to break down on the tracks.

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14 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I think Ukraine should take exemple from Switzerland. How much trouble would have been saved if they had remained a neutral country.

As I have told you before, neutrality only works if your neighbours respect it. Russias invasion have shown that they don't respect neutrality.

How can you not understand this ? Or do you understand, but your narrative is more important to you than the truth ?

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15 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I think Ukraine should take exemple from Switzerland. How much trouble would have been saved if they had remained a neutral country.

I thought Ukraine was (at least, in a governmental sense) "neutral" pre-annexation of Crimea. That didn't seem to help them.

Really, I doubt it has anything to do with the neutrality of the government/country - Putin just wants the territory.

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16 hours ago, Occult1 said:

 

I think Ukraine should take exemple from Switzerland. How much trouble would have been saved if they had remained a neutral country.

Yeah, Ukraine could of stayed neutral by not joining the EU, by not joining NATO, and by not allowing NATO troops to be stationed in Ukraine.

Oh wait. That is exactly what Ukraine did and they got attacked anyways. 

It appears joining NATO is the only way to protect yourself from Putin. Neutrality didn't work.

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Russia states they have now "deported" a million Ukrainians to Russia. What the **** Stalin

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The Russian Ministry of Defense has said that more than 951,000 Ukrainians have been deported to Russia since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

 

https://www-ukrinform-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric-ato/3466328-russia-says-it-has-deported-nearly-one-million-ukrainians-to-its-territory.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16508983215005&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ukrinform.net%2Frubric-ato%2F3466328-russia-says-it-has-deported-nearly-one-million-ukrainians-to-its-territory.html

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39 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

From some rumors I been hearing most if not all of these deported Ukranians are being sent to essentially work camps in central and eastern Russia where they "sign" documents agreeing to work for little or no pay to help the Russian war effort in liberating Ukraine from nazis.  Those are only rumors but I wouldnt doubt Russia using these Ukranians as slave labor, especially since that is what Russia traditionally does to people it deports into Russia.

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13 hours ago, razman said:

Well they were a neutral country weren't they?

Ukraine has, historically, had an on-and-off approach to neutrality as a foreign policy.

In 1990, while still a Soviet state, the Ukrainian parliament passed a "Declaration of Sovereignty," which specified that if it became independent, the new country intended to be a permanently neutral state. However, the policy was never supported unequivocally in the domestic political process. Between 1994 and 2014, the degree of Ukrainian neutrality policy depended mainly on the government in power. 

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Anyway it seems like Switzerland is maybe scared somewhat, with good reason though with the Russian "Borg" over there trying to assimilate.

A neutral country doesn't participate in any shape or form in armed conflicts and are not a threat to their neighbors.

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Ukraine says Russia is targeting railways to cut arms supply routes

Ukraine’s military command said on Monday that Russia was trying to bomb Ukraine’s rail infrastructure in order to disrupt arms supplies from foreign countries.

“They are trying to destroy the supply routes of military-technical assistance from partner states. To do this, they focus strikes on railway junctions,” the armed forces command wrote in a post on Facebook.

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/ukraine-says-russia-is-targeting-railways-to-cut-arms-supply-routes

 

I don't think people realize just how damaging these strikes are to Ukraine's military capabilities. Russia is targeting railways and fuel facilities deep in Ukraine. It's going to be very difficult to keep supplying the Ukrainian forces with weapons and ammunitions if there is no way to get them across the country to eastern Ukraine on the battlefield.

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Ukraine downed another Russian Su-34 in Kharkiv oblast today.  For Russia having complete air superiority over Ukraine they are losing a surprising losing about a plane a day now in eastern Ukraine.

To give some perspective in the first gulf war the coalition lost 75 aircraft, 52 jets and 23 helicopters.  Of those 75 losses only 44 were lost in combat, 39 jets and 5 helicopters.  During the second Iraq war between 2003 and 2010 there were 162 aircraft lost, 138 helicopters and 24 jets.  Of those losses only 57 were lost in combat, 52 helicopters of which 4 were destroyed on the ground and 5 jets of which 2 were due to friendly fire.

Depending on the source Russia has lost at minimum 61 aircraft to combat losses, 24 being jets and 37 being helicopters.  These are just picture/video confirmed combat losses.  Ukraine is reporting Russian air combat losses between 2 to 3 times greater it seems on average.

Given that total air losses are about 3 times the amount of combat losses Russia can be estimated at having lost between 200 and 600 total aircraft so far.  

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UK now estimating at minimum 15,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in Ukraine.  Essentially Russia has in two months the same level of casualties the USSR required 9 years and 1 month to reach in Afghanistan.

Realistically Russia probably has between 45,000 and 60,000 total casualties.

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