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Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?


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27 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

You didn't answer the question.

Why is Putin the only player who is using nukes as a threat?

Do you not find it interesting that the West, who has immensely more Nukes than Russia, had not used that as a threat or deterent strategy against Russia in Ukraine ?

It's a matter of doctrine. Russia has several conditions in which nukes can be authorized.

''And the fourth case is when an act of aggression is committed against Russia and its allies, which jeopardised the existence of the country itself, even without the use of nuclear weapons, that is, with the use of conventional weapons.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/26/russia-reasserts-right-to-use-nuclear-weapons-in-ukraine-putin?ref=tjournal.ru

If NATO attacks Russia in Ukraine, technically the Russian country is under existential threat. This raises the prospect of nuclear warfare.

 

The U.S/NATO also have their own set of conditions for nuclear deterence.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_50068.htm

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15 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

It's a matter of doctrine. Russia has several conditions in which nukes can be authorized.

''And the fourth case is when an act of aggression is committed against Russia and its allies, which jeopardised the existence of the country itself, even without the use of nuclear weapons, that is, with the use of conventional weapons.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/26/russia-reasserts-right-to-use-nuclear-weapons-in-ukraine-putin?ref=tjournal.ru

If NATO attacks Russia in Ukraine, technically the Russian country is under existential threat. This raises the prospect of nuclear warfare.

 

The U.S/NATO also have their own set of conditions for nuclear deterence.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_50068.htm

You're avoiding the question.

But I also can't help but laught at this part.

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And the fourth case is when an act of aggression is committed against Russia and its allies, which jeopardised the existence of the country itself, even without the use of nuclear weapons, that is, with the use of conventional weapons.”

Only a morons would think that weapons and/or troops in Ukraine would jeopardize the existence of Russia.

What does jeopardize it are nukes though.... So Putin is a horrible leader putting his nation in danger by even mentioning Nukes 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

It's a reminder that you don’t go to war at all if it’s between two nuclear nations.

That is predicated on the actions being reciprocal between those nations.  If one begins to think they can bluff, all of that goes away.

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A pretty well balanced estimation of the situation within the Ukraine and particularly the Donbass. 

 

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3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

 

If NATO attacks Russia in Ukraine, technically the Russian country is under existential threat. This raises the prospect of nuclear warfare.

 

Russia can just go home.
This train of though is truly pathetic.
I hope you get the help you need.

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IMO as soon Mariupol falls for good, call off the offensive, entrench everything you gained and lay on the defensive. Call for UN to move in for helping civilians and call for peace. Thats IMO the best way to end it for Russia alternatively would be a long and bloody war that will strech for year and years to come. Now if Ukraine refuses and attacks, Putin can claim they are under attack and start the universal mobilization and use everything even nukes. 

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1 hour ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

IMO as soon Mariupol falls for good, call off the offensive, entrench everything you gained and lay on the defensive. Call for UN to move in for helping civilians and call for peace. Thats IMO the best way to end it for Russia alternatively would be a long and bloody war that will strech for year and years to come. Now if Ukraine refuses and attacks, Putin can claim they are under attack and start the universal mobilization and use everything even nukes. 

Ukraine is the only one under attack. They are under absolutely no obligation to agree to any peace terms, particular ones that involve surrendering territory to the side that is currently losing the war.

"Wars begin when you will, they do not end when you please."

Russia is about to earn how true that is.

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6 minutes ago, Setton said:

Ukraine is the only one under attack. They are under absolutely no obligation to agree to any peace terms, particular ones that involve surrendering territory to the side that is currently losing the war.

"Wars begin when you will, they do not end when you please."

Russia is about to earn how true that is.

This, this and a million times this.

To be honest if I was Ukraine, I'd consider walking away from the peace talks, I dont think Putler would expect that.

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8 minutes ago, Setton said:

Ukraine is the only one under attack. They are under absolutely no obligation to agree to any peace terms, particular ones that involve surrendering territory to the side that is currently losing the war.

"Wars begin when you will, they do not end when you please."

Russia is about to earn how true that is.

Thats not even important, the important thing is to stop this war. Russia aint gonna leave unless there is a global destruction. I think this is the perfect way out for Putin. If Ukraine refuses and counter attack Russia has all the excuses in the world to go full mobilization and even open the option for nukes. Its clear by now that Russia cant win against Ukraine. Its impossible at present time conditions, so the best way is to cheat out of this ugly situtation. 

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8 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

You didn't answer the question.

Why is Putin the only player who is using nukes as a threat?

Do you not find it interesting that the West, who has immensely more Nukes than Russia, had not used that as a threat or deterent strategy against Russia in Ukraine ?

Surely nuclear war and the annihilation of Russia would also be a concern for someone in Russia 

Actually Russa has the world's biggest stockpile of nukes and Nikes

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1 hour ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

IMO as soon Mariupol falls for good, call off the offensive, entrench everything you gained and lay on the defensive. Call for UN to move in for helping civilians and call for peace. Thats IMO the best way to end it for Russia alternatively would be a long and bloody war that will strech for year and years to come. Now if Ukraine refuses and attacks, Putin can claim they are under attack and start the universal mobilization and use everything even nukes. 

They've already done that, claiming being under attacked by ucrainians in Russia soil, I never thought to say this but Russia is a joke, and it's really sad to see what could potentially be one of the best countries to live be a complete joke.

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11 minutes ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

Thats not even important, the important thing is to stop this war. Russia aint gonna leave unless there is a global destruction. I think this is the perfect way out for Putin. If Ukraine refuses and counter attack Russia has all the excuses in the world to go full mobilization and even open the option for nukes. Its clear by now that Russia cant win against Ukraine. Its impossible at present time conditions, so the best way is to cheat out of this ugly situtation. 

There is absolutely no excuse for the use of nuclear weapons apart from a scenario which may never ever happen like a bloody alien invasion or a zombie apocalypse (again like to stress I dont think these would ever happen lol). I agree that Putler wont wanna just leave now because it may make him look weak where as actually, being a good strong leader actually makes decisions to end war peacefully. The more you concede to a sociopathic despot like Putler the more they're gonna want. Ukraine and the rest of the world should keep standing up to this subhuman. Images of innocent civilians sadly gettting killed should be spread through Russia, on all TV's and PCs etc. Putler needs stopping NOW!

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1 hour ago, godnodog said:

They've already done that, claiming being under attacked by ucrainians in Russia soil, I never thought to say this but Russia is a joke, and it's really sad to see what could potentially be one of the best countries to live be a complete joke.

Ukraine has attacked Russia on their own soil—ammunition depot and a fuel silo, I believe. 

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2 hours ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

Thats not even important, the important thing is to stop this war.

The important thing is to stop Russia winning this war. Because if they win here, they'll go for Finland, then Sweden and eventually Poland. Then it's all over.

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Russia aint gonna leave unless there is a global destruction. I think this is the perfect way out for Putin. If Ukraine refuses and counter attack Russia has all the excuses in the world to go full mobilization and even open the option for nukes.

No, they don't. Because Ukraine still wouldn't be attacking. Retaking occupied territory during a war is not an attack, it's defence. And the ONLY people who can decide to give up parts of Ukraine in exchange for peace are the people of Ukraine. Not you, not me, not NATO and certainly not Putin.

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Its clear by now that Russia cant win against Ukraine. Its impossible at present time conditions, so the best way is to cheat out of this ugly situtation. 

Again, not your decision.

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1 hour ago, Setton said:

No, they don't. Because Ukraine still wouldn't be attacking. Retaking occupied territory during a war is not an attack, it's defence. And the ONLY people who can decide to give up parts of Ukraine in exchange for peace are the people of Ukraine. Not you, not me, not NATO and certainly not Putin.

I know this is kind of obvious , but You know if people would just simply leave people alone , there would be no need for war , no need for Russia to try to take land and no need for Ukraine to give up any. I mean who cares what language they speak or what church they worship at . If no body is messin with anyone , who cares what side of the border they live on , it all really is quite Psychopathic the whole thing. But now , of course its kinda late , as Ukraine is really p***ed after all their people being killed and cities bombed, i mean , decades of hate developing , so i wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine don't want to give up an inch of land now , to the point of " You'll  have to kill us all and take it if you can. The incredible amount of diversity in the world of cultures and peoples i think creates a very difficult obstacle to overcome , all the way back to the beginning. 

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1 minute ago, razman said:

so i wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine don't want to give up an inch of land now , to the point of " You'll  have to kill us all and take it if you can. 

That's basically the sentiment, at this point.

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7 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

That's basically the sentiment, at this point.

Well instead of them finding a way to work something out peacefully ,   so where they could have developed as allies there , now they have a big enemy on their border, and a really angry one at that. And there one thing worse than an enemy , a really angry enemy.

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38 minutes ago, razman said:

Well instead of them finding a way to work something out peacefully ,   so where they could have developed as allies there , now they have a big enemy on their border, and a really angry one at that. And there one thing worse than an enemy , a really angry enemy.

One enemy? I think everyone west of Russia is p***ed, I'd bet that even most Bieolorrusians are p***ed, so much that the government won't dare at this time to go alongside side Russia into Ukraine.

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2 hours ago, godnodog said:

One enemy? I think everyone west of Russia is p***ed, I'd bet that even most Bieolorrusians are p***ed, so much that the government won't dare at this time to go alongside side Russia into Ukraine.

Yea i'm sure there are plenty of others , Ukraine is just a big one on their border whose people are being directly killed and cities leveled.

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"Russian FM to US, NATO: Stop supplying arms to Ukraine..."

Maybe Russia should stop supplying arms to Ukraine first, they seam to be were Ukraine is getting most of there equipment from right now...

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I really dont think Russia after Ukraine can go after anybody. They done, its not only warfare but also economics. They broke and their army is broken, there is no way they are going to invade somebody else...whoever! Not even the vatican.

No its not my decision, not yours either. When all this chest thumping is done, I still remain of the opinion thats the best way out. sorry but its in the best interest of everybody to end this war NOW. Anyways Putin doesn't give a damn about random people on a forum, so calm down.

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On 4/29/2022 at 4:47 PM, Occult1 said:

So Russia has only invaded former Soviet states.

Hi Occult1...
I am a bit interested in your way of thinking...
Everyone who has read in this thread has seen that you are pro putin...
And not just a little but a majior russia fanboy.
You also seem to have a bit of a problem to answer peoples questions..
Id like to ask a simple question to you.
You seem to think that as ukraine was a part of soviet in the past, russia can do whatever they want with ukraine and its only their business,,,
In you way of thinking is it okay for sweden to annect finland again with force?
Finland was a part of sweden for 600 years.. How long was ukraine a part of soviet????
And as we annect it we bombed the whole country and noone should care about it....
Because finland was a part of sweden once and hundreds of thousands of finnish people along the finnish western coast still speak swedish??
We must save them...
Is this ok????
 

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43 minutes ago, Herr Falukorv said:

Hi Occult1...
I am a bit interested in your way of thinking...
Everyone who has read in this thread has seen that you are pro putin...
And not just a little but a majior russia fanboy.
You also seem to have a bit of a problem to answer peoples questions..
Id like to ask a simple question to you.
You seem to think that as ukraine was a part of soviet in the past, russia can do whatever they want with ukraine and its only their business,,,
In you way of thinking is it okay for sweden to annect finland again with force?
Finland was a part of sweden for 600 years.. How long was ukraine a part of soviet????
And as we annect it we bombed the whole country and noone should care about it....
Because finland was a part of sweden once and hundreds of thousands of finnish people along the finnish western coast still speak swedish??
We must save them...
Is this ok????
 

Yes bring back the Swedish Empire! **** it, while we're at it lets bring back the British Empire aswell! 

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24 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Yes bring back the Swedish Empire! **** it, while we're at it lets bring back the British Empire aswell! 

Yes, on the Britain thingy!!! lol

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