Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Black Red Devil]

A pretty well balanced estimation of the situation within the Ukraine and particularly the Donbass. 

 

[AlonaLameDeer]

3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

 

If NATO attacks Russia in Ukraine, technically the Russian country is under existential threat. This raises the prospect of nuclear warfare.

 

Russia can just go home.
This train of though is truly pathetic.
I hope you get the help you need.

[Poncho_Peanatus]

IMO as soon Mariupol falls for good, call off the offensive, entrench everything you gained and lay on the defensive. Call for UN to move in for helping civilians and call for peace. Thats IMO the best way to end it for Russia alternatively would be a long and bloody war that will strech for year and years to come. Now if Ukraine refuses and attacks, Putin can claim they are under attack and start the universal mobilization and use everything even nukes. 

[Setton]

1 hour ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

IMO as soon Mariupol falls for good, call off the offensive, entrench everything you gained and lay on the defensive. Call for UN to move in for helping civilians and call for peace. Thats IMO the best way to end it for Russia alternatively would be a long and bloody war that will strech for year and years to come. Now if Ukraine refuses and attacks, Putin can claim they are under attack and start the universal mobilization and use everything even nukes. 

Ukraine is the only one under attack. They are under absolutely no obligation to agree to any peace terms, particular ones that involve surrendering territory to the side that is currently losing the war.

"Wars begin when you will, they do not end when you please."

Russia is about to earn how true that is.

Edited April 30, 2022 by Setton

[ThereWeAreThen]

6 minutes ago, Setton said:

Ukraine is the only one under attack. They are under absolutely no obligation to agree to any peace terms, particular ones that involve surrendering territory to the side that is currently losing the war.

"Wars begin when you will, they do not end when you please."

Russia is about to earn how true that is.

This, this and a million times this.

To be honest if I was Ukraine, I'd consider walking away from the peace talks, I dont think Putler would expect that.

[Poncho_Peanatus]

8 minutes ago, Setton said:

Ukraine is the only one under attack. They are under absolutely no obligation to agree to any peace terms, particular ones that involve surrendering territory to the side that is currently losing the war.

"Wars begin when you will, they do not end when you please."

Russia is about to earn how true that is.

Thats not even important, the important thing is to stop this war. Russia aint gonna leave unless there is a global destruction. I think this is the perfect way out for Putin. If Ukraine refuses and counter attack Russia has all the excuses in the world to go full mobilization and even open the option for nukes. Its clear by now that Russia cant win against Ukraine. Its impossible at present time conditions, so the best way is to cheat out of this ugly situtation. 

[godnodog]

8 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

You didn't answer the question.

Why is Putin the only player who is using nukes as a threat?

Do you not find it interesting that the West, who has immensely more Nukes than Russia, had not used that as a threat or deterent strategy against Russia in Ukraine ?

Surely nuclear war and the annihilation of Russia would also be a concern for someone in Russia 

Actually Russa has the world's biggest stockpile of nukes and Nikes

[godnodog]

1 hour ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

IMO as soon Mariupol falls for good, call off the offensive, entrench everything you gained and lay on the defensive. Call for UN to move in for helping civilians and call for peace. Thats IMO the best way to end it for Russia alternatively would be a long and bloody war that will strech for year and years to come. Now if Ukraine refuses and attacks, Putin can claim they are under attack and start the universal mobilization and use everything even nukes. 

They've already done that, claiming being under attacked by ucrainians in Russia soil, I never thought to say this but Russia is a joke, and it's really sad to see what could potentially be one of the best countries to live be a complete joke.

[ThereWeAreThen]

11 minutes ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

Thats not even important, the important thing is to stop this war. Russia aint gonna leave unless there is a global destruction. I think this is the perfect way out for Putin. If Ukraine refuses and counter attack Russia has all the excuses in the world to go full mobilization and even open the option for nukes. Its clear by now that Russia cant win against Ukraine. Its impossible at present time conditions, so the best way is to cheat out of this ugly situtation. 

There is absolutely no excuse for the use of nuclear weapons apart from a scenario which may never ever happen like a bloody alien invasion or a zombie apocalypse (again like to stress I dont think these would ever happen lol). I agree that Putler wont wanna just leave now because it may make him look weak where as actually, being a good strong leader actually makes decisions to end war peacefully. The more you concede to a sociopathic despot like Putler the more they're gonna want. Ukraine and the rest of the world should keep standing up to this subhuman. Images of innocent civilians sadly gettting killed should be spread through Russia, on all TV's and PCs etc. Putler needs stopping NOW!

[+Nuclear Wessel]

1 hour ago, godnodog said:

They've already done that, claiming being under attacked by ucrainians in Russia soil, I never thought to say this but Russia is a joke, and it's really sad to see what could potentially be one of the best countries to live be a complete joke.

Ukraine has attacked Russia on their own soil—ammunition depot and a fuel silo, I believe. 

[Setton]

2 hours ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

Thats not even important, the important thing is to stop this war.

The important thing is to stop Russia winning this war. Because if they win here, they'll go for Finland, then Sweden and eventually Poland. Then it's all over.

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Russia aint gonna leave unless there is a global destruction. I think this is the perfect way out for Putin. If Ukraine refuses and counter attack Russia has all the excuses in the world to go full mobilization and even open the option for nukes.

No, they don't. Because Ukraine still wouldn't be attacking. Retaking occupied territory during a war is not an attack, it's defence. And the ONLY people who can decide to give up parts of Ukraine in exchange for peace are the people of Ukraine. Not you, not me, not NATO and certainly not Putin.

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Its clear by now that Russia cant win against Ukraine. Its impossible at present time conditions, so the best way is to cheat out of this ugly situtation. 

Again, not your decision.

[+razman]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

No, they don't. Because Ukraine still wouldn't be attacking. Retaking occupied territory during a war is not an attack, it's defence. And the ONLY people who can decide to give up parts of Ukraine in exchange for peace are the people of Ukraine. Not you, not me, not NATO and certainly not Putin.

I know this is kind of obvious , but You know if people would just simply leave people alone , there would be no need for war , no need for Russia to try to take land and no need for Ukraine to give up any. I mean who cares what language they speak or what church they worship at . If no body is messin with anyone , who cares what side of the border they live on , it all really is quite Psychopathic the whole thing. But now , of course its kinda late , as Ukraine is really p***ed after all their people being killed and cities bombed, i mean , decades of hate developing , so i wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine don't want to give up an inch of land now , to the point of " You'll  have to kill us all and take it if you can. The incredible amount of diversity in the world of cultures and peoples i think creates a very difficult obstacle to overcome , all the way back to the beginning. 

Edited April 30, 2022 by razman

[+Nuclear Wessel]

1 minute ago, razman said:

so i wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine don't want to give up an inch of land now , to the point of " You'll  have to kill us all and take it if you can. 

That's basically the sentiment, at this point.

[+razman]

7 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

That's basically the sentiment, at this point.

Well instead of them finding a way to work something out peacefully ,   so where they could have developed as allies there , now they have a big enemy on their border, and a really angry one at that. And there one thing worse than an enemy , a really angry enemy.

Edited April 30, 2022 by razman

[godnodog]

38 minutes ago, razman said:

Well instead of them finding a way to work something out peacefully ,   so where they could have developed as allies there , now they have a big enemy on their border, and a really angry one at that. And there one thing worse than an enemy , a really angry enemy.

One enemy? I think everyone west of Russia is p***ed, I'd bet that even most Bieolorrusians are p***ed, so much that the government won't dare at this time to go alongside side Russia into Ukraine.

[+razman]

2 hours ago, godnodog said:

One enemy? I think everyone west of Russia is p***ed, I'd bet that even most Bieolorrusians are p***ed, so much that the government won't dare at this time to go alongside side Russia into Ukraine.

Yea i'm sure there are plenty of others , Ukraine is just a big one on their border whose people are being directly killed and cities leveled.

[AlonaLameDeer]

"Russian FM to US, NATO: Stop supplying arms to Ukraine..."

Maybe Russia should stop supplying arms to Ukraine first, they seam to be were Ukraine is getting most of there equipment from right now...

[Poncho_Peanatus]

I really dont think Russia after Ukraine can go after anybody. They done, its not only warfare but also economics. They broke and their army is broken, there is no way they are going to invade somebody else...whoever! Not even the vatican.

No its not my decision, not yours either. When all this chest thumping is done, I still remain of the opinion thats the best way out. sorry but its in the best interest of everybody to end this war NOW. Anyways Putin doesn't give a damn about random people on a forum, so calm down.

[Herr Falukorv]

On 4/29/2022 at 4:47 PM, Occult1 said:

So Russia has only invaded former Soviet states.

Hi Occult1...
I am a bit interested in your way of thinking...
Everyone who has read in this thread has seen that you are pro putin...
And not just a little but a majior russia fanboy.
You also seem to have a bit of a problem to answer peoples questions..
Id like to ask a simple question to you.
You seem to think that as ukraine was a part of soviet in the past, russia can do whatever they want with ukraine and its only their business,,,
In you way of thinking is it okay for sweden to annect finland again with force?
Finland was a part of sweden for 600 years.. How long was ukraine a part of soviet????
And as we annect it we bombed the whole country and noone should care about it....
Because finland was a part of sweden once and hundreds of thousands of finnish people along the finnish western coast still speak swedish??
We must save them...
Is this ok????
 

Edited April 30, 2022 by Herr Falukorv

[ThereWeAreThen]

43 minutes ago, Herr Falukorv said:

Hi Occult1...
I am a bit interested in your way of thinking...
Everyone who has read in this thread has seen that you are pro putin...
And not just a little but a majior russia fanboy.
You also seem to have a bit of a problem to answer peoples questions..
Id like to ask a simple question to you.
You seem to think that as ukraine was a part of soviet in the past, russia can do whatever they want with ukraine and its only their business,,,
In you way of thinking is it okay for sweden to annect finland again with force?
Finland was a part of sweden for 600 years.. How long was ukraine a part of soviet????
And as we annect it we bombed the whole country and noone should care about it....
Because finland was a part of sweden once and hundreds of thousands of finnish people along the finnish western coast still speak swedish??
We must save them...
Is this ok????
 

Yes bring back the Swedish Empire! **** it, while we're at it lets bring back the British Empire aswell! 

[Electric Scooter]

24 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Yes bring back the Swedish Empire! **** it, while we're at it lets bring back the British Empire aswell! 

Yes, on the Britain thingy!!! lol

[Buzz_Light_Year]

@Occult1 Seems Russia even has problems getting equipment to Ukraine let alone hanging on to it once they get the equipment to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520468468562382850

[+and-then]

7 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

@Occult1 Seems Russia even has problems getting equipment to Ukraine let alone hanging on to it once they get the equipment to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520468468562382850

Feckless.  Ate-up stupid and awkward.   Imagine having to call the boss and tell him you swerved to avoid a car wreck, and can he please send a construction crane to help with the tow.  

[+and-then]

12 hours ago, razman said:

The incredible amount of diversity in the world of cultures and peoples i think creates a very difficult obstacle to overcome , all the way back to the beginning. 

Yes, and the more terrible part of this is the fact that ethnically, they are first cousins.  The Russian conscripts - and older contractors - may even have distant (or close) family in Ukraine.  How terrible would it be to be in that situation and watching your "brother Orcs" wantonly murdering and raping people you think of as family?  There's no doubt that Russians have a real reputation for being fierce, but I never thought of them as being criminal or cowardly before now.  The atrocities they committed in WWII on their march to Berlin could be put aside somewhat as revenge for what the Germans did in their country.  There is no such equivalent motive here.  They are seen for what they are - a thuggish, brutal, and undisciplined horde.

[AlonaLameDeer]

“Russian forces appear increasingly unlikely to achieve any major advances in eastern Ukraine, and Ukrainian forces may be able to conduct wider counterattacks in the coming days,”

It's okay to cry Occult.