Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[DarkHunter]

This is an interesting development.  Seems that Chenchen forces are fighting on both sides of this conflict.  Seems some volunteer Chenchen militias have gone to Ukraine to fight for the Ukranian government and are fighting Chenchen government forces in the Russian military.

[preacherman76]

They have been grooming you guys for years for this moment. But I'm the one politically motivated. My goodness. Follow your fools. 

[Occult1]

9 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

Could ask why you seem so comfortable with Russia invading Ukraine, are you backing Russian aggression in invading Ukraine

First article an opinion piece from 2018, second link another far left but this time socialist new source, third one an article from 2021, and the last link from a tabloid.  Not exactly stellar arguing points.

Far right wing and radical groups have fought for Ukraine against Russian aggression, no one really denies that.  Them fighting for Ukraine doesnt give Russia justification to invade Ukraine.

You are in denial. Neo Nazi millitiias are everywhere in Ukraine. They are the back bone of the military force of that country. You can cheer for them if you want. I won't.

The West doesn't have any qualm supporting these groups to advance their geopolitical agenda.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

2 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

You are in denial. Neo Nazi millitiias are everywhere in Ukraine. They are the back bone of the military force that country. You can cheer for them if you want. I won't.

The West doesn't have any qualm supporting these groups to advance their geopolitical agenda.

So you back Russia and believe that gives Russia justification in invading Ukraine.  If you back Russia you back Russia, it's your choice but outside of Russia and Russian allied countries it probably wont be a popular position to take.

Edited February 24, 2022 by DarkHunter

[odas]

6 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

This is an interesting development.  Seems that Chenchen forces are fighting on both sides of this conflict.  Seems some volunteer Chenchen militias have gone to Ukraine to fight for the Ukranian government and are fighting Chenchen government forces in the Russian military.

Chechnia has a puppet president installed by Putin. It is a dictatorship. So no wonder the real chechens are with Ukraine. I assume some will join from Georgia ( not the one in USA ) to help Ukraine.

[DarkHunter]

Tank battles reported north of Kiev.  

To be honest I'm rather interested in how the Ukranian armor will do against Russian armor.  There is a lot of uncertainty on how well upgraded Ukranian T-64 and T-84 will perform.  On paper it could be argued the T-84 is the best tank being fielded in this war but it hasnt gone through combat like Russian T-72, T-80s, and T-90s.  Plus Ukraine has few T-84s despite trying to boost production post 2014/2015.

[Essan]

11 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

You are in denial. Neo Nazi millitiias are everywhere in Ukraine. They are the back bone of the military force of that country. You can cheer for them if you want. I won't.

The West doesn't have any qualm supporting these groups to advance their geopolitical agenda.

There are neo Nazi militia in Ukraine, that is true.  Evil scum IMO.  But, by definition, they are not part of the official army Ukraine also has a Jewish president.   

And there are also Russian militia in Ukraine.   They are the ones (till now) most responsible for the murder of women and children.  Or had you forgotten MH17?

Edited February 24, 2022 by Essan

[DarkHunter]

Just now, odas said:

Chechnia has a puppet president installed by Putin. It is a dictatorship. So no wonder the real chechens are with Ukraine. I assume some will join from Georgia ( not the one in USA ) to help Ukraine.

Reports are its entire battalions of Chenchens fighting for Ukraine, seems quite a few are veterans of the various Chenchen wars.  I dont have any confirmation on total size of the Chenchen force involved aiding Ukraine.

[Essan]

11 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

This is an interesting development.  Seems that Chenchen forces are fighting on both sides of this conflict.  Seems some volunteer Chenchen militias have gone to Ukraine to fight for the Ukranian government and are fighting Chenchen government forces in the Russian military.

I was wondering whether we may see Chechnya and Dagestan open a new war front whilst Putin is distracted?   Now that'd really make things interesting

[Occult1]

13 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

So you back Russia and believe that gives Russia justification in invading Ukraine.  If you back Russia you back Russia, it's your choice but outside of Russia and Russian allied countries it probably wont be a popular position to take.

It's a geopolitical war. Make no illusion about anyone's justification.

But it's been known since 2014 that the Neo Nazi millitias are the most potent reliable force on the battlefield against the separatists.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ab7dw/azov-battalion-ukraine-far-right

https://www.newstatesman.com/international-content/2022/02/silence-wont-make-the-ukrainian-far-right-go-away

Edited February 24, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

Just now, Essan said:

I was wondering whether we may see Chechnya and Dagestan open a new war front whilst Putin is distracted?   Now that'd really make things interesting

It's possible especially since Russia has dedicated so much of its total military to invading Ukraine.  If they wanted to rise up now is the time to do it and I would be a bit surprised if the CIA and other western intelligence agencies arent trying to get them to revolt.

[+joc]

15 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

I am not politically involved at all. WTH are you talking about?? You are the ones believing the politicians. You are the ones falling for war mongering propaganda AGAIN. I just want to keep the planet in one piece, and afford to take care of my family. So F off war monger. 

Honestly preacherman...you cannot on one hand say you are not politically involved...with Let's Go Brandon!!! for a signature.  I haven't even listened to any politicians.  I haven't listened to any Media outlets.  I just saw one story on Reuters and posted it.  You ridiculed me for voicing concerns about Russia years ago...and now...now that my warnings and actually just common sense insight is coming to fruition...now I am a warmonger?  The only warmonger in this game seems to be Russia.  Get a grip.  

[DarkHunter]

13 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

It's a geopolitical war. Make no illusion about anyone's justifications.

But it's been known since 2014 that the Neo Nazi millitias are the most potent reliable force on the battlefield against the separatists.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ab7dw/azov-battalion-ukraine-far-right

https://www.newstatesman.com/international-content/2022/02/silence-wont-make-the-ukrainian-far-right-go-away

None of that changes the fact that it was the Russians who have started hostilities every time.  Russia invaded Crimea, Russia helped arm and fought with the separatist, and now Russia has invaded Ukraine.  The fact that there are far right militias fighting for Ukraine or that they are effective in combat is completely immaterial to unprovoked Russian aggression.

Edited February 24, 2022 by DarkHunter

[DarkHunter]

The Ukranian leader has issued a statement saying the Ukranian government will issue weapons to anyone capable of defending Ukraine and anyone with military experience who is able to defend Ukraine is to report to battle stations.

Seems Ukraine is slowing or stopping Russian advances along all axis but there is heavy fighting essentially everywhere.

[Occult1]

17 minutes ago, Essan said:

There are neo Nazi militia in Ukraine, that is true.  Evil scum IMO.    Ukraine also has a Jewish president. 

Having a Jewish President doesn't prevent a country from having a Nazi problem.

Here's a good article:

https://forward.com/opinion/416751/why-does-no-one-care-that-neo-nazis-are-gaining-power-in-ukraine/

Edited February 24, 2022 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

36 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

You really believe the US and EU can't nuke Russia? It very much applies. I gotta bow out of this conversation. It's literally making me sick. We really do deserve what's about to happen. smh

You are an idiot. 

[ChewiesArmy]

3 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

It's possible especially since Russia has dedicated so much of its total military to invading Ukraine.  If they wanted to rise up now is the time to do it and I would be a bit surprised if the CIA and other western intelligence agencies arent trying to get them to revolt.

I was just thinking that Georgia should invade Russia....go straight to Moscow! Once Putin gets the Ukraine, who's next anyway? 

NATO will not confront him directly unless he directly, not "accidentally", attacks a NATO country, which he won't. He is traditionally proud, not stupid. He knows he is on his own, but unfortunately, so are the former Eastern Bloc countries, which he also knows. We may impose sanctions, but that will just make Putin more desperate to take more territory. 

[DarkHunter]

This map was published by Ukranian media, not sure how accurate it is but it at minimum gives an idea of the different fronts and their locations.  I have a feeling with how fluid this conflict is that the front lines are probably changing by the minute.

Reports of an entire Russian reconnaissance platoon surrendering to Ukrainian forces.  Also there is a video of a Ukranian woman yelling at a Russian soldier in some town/city demanding to know why he is here and that no one wants the Russians here.  I suspect the invasion isnt going the way Putin or the Russian government hoped.

[+joc]

8 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

This map was published by Ukranian media, not sure how accurate it is but it at minimum gives an idea of the different fronts and their locations.  I have a feeling with how fluid this conflict is that the front lines are probably changing by the minute.

Reports of an entire Russian reconnaissance platoon surrendering to Ukrainian forces.  Also there is a video of a Ukranian woman yelling at a Russian soldier in some town/city demanding to know why he is here and that no one wants the Russians here.  I suspect the invasion isnt going the way Putin or the Russian government hoped.

They aren't suppose to fight back!

[DarkHunter]

Seems a Russian assault on Kharkiv has been stopped.  Sumy is a bit of a complicated situation, videos of Russian tanks and armored vehicles in Sumy but supposedly Ukranian forces still hold all of the government buildings and everything essentially.  The videos out of Sumy are surreal as there are Russian tanks driving down roads with civilian cars driving around ignoring them, saw one video that had a Russian tank in civilian traffic.

[odas]

55 minutes ago, joc said:

Honestly preacherman...you cannot on one hand say you are not politically involved...with Let's Go Brandon!!! for a signature.  I haven't even listened to any politicians.  I haven't listened to any Media outlets.  I just saw one story on Reuters and posted it.  You ridiculed me for voicing concerns about Russia years ago...and now...now that my warnings and actually just common sense insight is coming to fruition...now I am a warmonger?  The only warmonger in this game seems to be Russia.  Get a grip.  

Thank you joc. You are right. Not the time for blame games. Putin does not and will not care if you are a democrat or republican, black or white..if he gets to our doors.

[+joc]

1 hour ago, preacherman76 said:

They have been grooming you guys for years for this moment. But I'm the one politically motivated. My goodness. Follow your fools. 

Who exactly are 'they'?

[Helen of Annoy]

41 minutes ago, joc said:

They aren't suppose to fight back!

 I'd fight with a broom if I had nothing else. 

 

Putin is insane, he believed own propaganda, it seems. 

[+joc]

3 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

 I'd fight with a broom if I had nothing else. 

 

Putin is insane, he believed own propaganda, it seems. 

I'd fight with my hands and feet beside you if you had the only broom!  You can lose a war quickly by misjudging the military might of those you are fighting against...but you can lose it just as easily by misjudging the mindset of those whom you are fighting.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

9 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

 I'd fight with a broom if I had nothing else. 

Cut off the brushing portion and sharpen the top and you have yourself a nice spear. You gotta scream like a banshee for maximum effect when you charge at the soldiers with your spear, tho.