Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[spartan max2]

5 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

If he knows that he is unlikely to survive much longer anyway and if he knows he is going to lose then I don't think it would matter to him very much so long as he can take down and disrupt as many of his perceived enemies as possible, even at the cost of his own life.

My unpopular opinion is that I don't believe Putin will use Nukes.

Nukes are the most useful as a threat than as anything else, but more importantly I feel like Putin cares about what Russians think of him. And being known as the man who caused Russia to become a wasteland is not how he wants to be remembered.

[Grim Reaper 6]

16 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

I'm well aware we can wipe out Russia, but I'm literally on about finding where all their nukes are around the world an nuetralise them. If we some how (extremely unlikely) managed to wipe out their nukes Putler would be nothing.

I don’t believe that would be possible, when you add Boomers into the mix no Nation to my knowledge knows the location of other Nations Nuclear Submarine launch platforms. One of these launch platforms could totally destroy any Nations infrastructure and bring it to its knees. 

Edited May 8, 2022 by Manwon Lender

[godnodog]

21 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

It’s almost impossible for a single Super Power alone to start a world war, no single Nation has the resources or man power to do it alone Nuclear Weapons or not. At this point the conflict in the Ukraine is a regional conflict, nothing more and nothing less. The time to become concerned is if China joins Russia, and begins to invade Nations in Asia Taiwan for instance a long with a North Korean invasion of the South. Without Chinas support Russia has no Super Power Allies and Putin stands alone. However, if this occurs I suspect then a Nuclear Conflict would actually become reality, but again what does any Nation have to gain and the answer is simple nothing.

This is truly what WW3 would look like, if China starts true aggression and attacks it neighbors then it can be said that WW3 has begun. Hopefully this doesn’t occur, but if I were really concerned my eyes would be on Asia at this point.

At this moment China would probably have support from NK and Myanmar, basically everyone else there is p***ed at them

[ThereWeAreThen]

6 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I don’t believe that would be possible, when add Boomers into the mix no Nation to my knowledge knows the location of other Nations Nuclear Submarine launch platforms. One of these launch platforms could totally destroy any Nations infrastructure and bring it to its knees. 

I didnt think it would be either. Well heres hoping Putler dies soon. I wouldnt be surprised if he gets desposed off to be honest.

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, godnodog said:

At this moment China would probably have support from NK and Myanmar, basically everyone else there is p***ed at them

Actually I agree with your comments on North Korea, but most do not realize that North Korea has been controlled and on a Chinese leash since the 1950s. But even with said North Korea is really a p*** ant threat anyway, to everyone except South Korea. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, ThereWeAreThen said:

I didnt think it would be either. Well heres hoping Putler dies soon. I wouldnt be surprised if he gets desposed off to be honest.

Yes we can only hope, time will tell my friend.

[Grey Area]

6 minutes ago, godnodog said:

At this moment China would probably have support from NK and Myanmar, basically everyone else there is p***ed at them

I am actually surprised we haven’t heard more from Kimmy over Russia.  

[ThereWeAreThen]

1 minute ago, Grey Area said:

I am actually surprised we haven’t heard more from Kimmy over Russia.  

He's too busy playing with his toys ugh i mean looking at his nukes.

[godnodog]

12 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

I am actually surprised we haven’t heard more from Kimmy over Russia.  

Probably because he now realizes how poor russian heavy equipment is by comparison to western light equipment, not to mention training.

Hey but he has a magical poophole, he'll invent something.

[Katniss]

1 hour ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

If he knows that he is unlikely to survive much longer anyway and if he knows he is going to lose then I don't think it would matter to him very much so long as he can take down and disrupt as many of his perceived enemies as possible, even at the cost of his own life.

You sound like you are having anxiety over this and I can understand why you would. But you should listen to Manwon, because what he said makes a lot of sense. And he has enough military experience to know what he is talking about.  I think they call it mutual destruction and it's a strong deterrent ,even for someone like Putin. Another thing to think about is if Putin would want his children and his children's children to live in a wasteland if they did survive underground from a nuclear war. Lots of dangerous and deadly things can happen to his children in a world after such an event. Because for the survivors it would be everyone for themselves and I can see people fighting each other and killing each other over scraps. I don't think Putin wants that for his children. None of us do, if they were to survive.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

2 hours ago, Katniss said:

You sound like you are having anxiety over this and I can understand why you would. But you should listen to Manwon, because what he said makes a lot of sense. And he has enough military experience to know what he is talking about. 

Not really much anxiety, to be frank. Also, I respect Manwon's extensive knowledge and military service, but I don't necessarily think that it's something that is very relevant to this situation.

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I think they call it mutual destruction and it's a strong deterrent ,even for someone like Putin. 

Maybe. It depends - on one hand he has acknowledged that a nuclear war is one that nobody would win and has even agreed to avoid nuclear war earlier this year, but on the other hand he has been rather liberal with nuclear war rhetoric.

What if rumours of his illness are true - what if he has parkinson's, cancer, etc? Perhaps it wouldn't matter to him if the destruction of his country was assured especially since he may be dying soon, anyway. A later point you make is that you pose the question of

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 if Putin would want his children and his children's children to live in a wasteland if they did survive underground from a nuclear war

What if he doesn't care about his children? His actions thus far don't match the actions of somebody who has empathy or, otherwise, cares for anybody but themselves. This is all speculation of course. Maybe he has deep love for his children. Who knows? Color me surprised if it turns out that he does, though.

[Duke Wellington]

Tomorrow, the 9th of May, is Russia`s WW2 victory day.

I think Monday will also be the day a 2nd nation enters into the history books as having used nuclear weapons. I think they will tactical nuke Ukraine rather than do a mass mobilization.

[spartan max2]

13 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Tomorrow, the 9th of May, is Russia`s WW2 victory day.

I think Monday will also be the day a 2nd nation enters into the history books as having used nuclear weapons. I think they will tactical nuke Ukraine rather than do a mass mobilization.

I would be very surprised if that happened but I suppose we will see.

[Katniss]

1 hour ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Not really much anxiety, to be frank. Also, I respect Manwon's extensive knowledge and military service, but I don't necessarily think that it's something that is very relevant to this situation.

 

That's good! I did have some anxiety about a nuclear war occurring, when Putin invaded Ukraine, but then I thought about the situation with his children that I mentioned to you. And when I read some of the things people talked about in this thread, like DarkHunter and Manwon mentioned, I think I have very little anxiety about it now.
 

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Maybe. It depends - on one hand he has acknowledged that a nuclear war is one that nobody would win and has even agreed to avoid nuclear war earlier this year, but on the other hand he has been rather liberal with nuclear war rhetoric.

What if rumours of his illness are true - what if he has parkinson's, cancer, etc? Perhaps it wouldn't matter to him if the destruction of his country was assured especially since he may be dying soon, anyway. A later point you make is that you pose the question of

What if he doesn't care about his children? His actions thus far don't match the actions of somebody who has empathy or, otherwise, cares for anybody but themselves. This is all speculation of course. Maybe he has deep love for his children. Who knows? Color me surprised if it turns out that he does, though.

 

I just think he's not a insane enough or reckless enough to put his family in any danger that would affect them in the future. And starting a nuclear war would certainly do that. And I believe people near him would not let him get away with starting a nuclear war anyway. I just don't see it. There are too many issues for him to try it.

ETA: He's not exactly like Hitler, yes brutal and savage, but not completely insane enough to throw everything away.. He is more like Stalin, sly, cunning, tactical, like a criminal.

Edited May 8, 2022 by Katniss

[Tatetopa]

14 hours ago, and then said:

They DO seem to suddenly be eager to dial it back but the early reporting I saw was definite and it was celebrating the U.S. being partially responsible (or more) in targeting most of those general officers as well as the targeting of the Moskva.  It seems like someone (s) are trying to rub little Vlad's nose in it and while he certainly deserves humiliation, I also think it is INSANE to mindlessly try to wind him up and humiliate his forces in front of the whole world.

Some will no doubt question whether I'm cowardly and I'll tell them to their faces, when it comes to nukes... HELL YEAH, I'm "cowardly".

I think the purpose is more than pointless humiliation.  Although the world may know, we did not crow about it on the public stage.  Putin knows that assets and people are all vulnerable.  He has apparently  spent his life grieving over the loss of glory of the old USSR, but he may not be insane.  At least I hope not. 

The revenge some fear, nuclear destruction would be the option of a narcissistic immature person who wants the world to die when he dies or is defeated. It is not the action of one who loves his country and has faith in its greatness rising again. 

He has to think about his next moves. This campaign is finished.  Time to regroup and regain strength.  Putin may survive his cancer surgery or he may have set things up with a successor.  If he believes in his dream, then he does not want Mother Russia destroyed. He or his successor will keep the dream alive and try again to regain that former glory.  Next time, it may not be military, but a different approach suited to the way the world has changed.  The world game keeps going on and anyone can be a big winner in a generation  if they are still in the game.

[AlonaLameDeer]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Tomorrow, the 9th of May, is Russia`s WW2 victory day.

I think Monday will also be the day a 2nd nation enters into the history books as having used nuclear weapons. I think they will tactical nuke Ukraine rather than do a mass mobilization.

NATO has already openly said that if they do so and fallout hits a NATO nation then it counts as using a nuke on a NATO nation.
Also, it wont actually effect much against Ukraine if it's one...

[Coil]

Someone well trolled the victory parade in Russia tomorrow:

 

 

[Coil]

3 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

I think the purpose is more than pointless humiliation.  Although the world may know, we did not crow about it on the public stage.  Putin knows that assets and people are all vulnerable.  He has apparently  spent his life grieving over the loss of glory of the old USSR, but he may not be insane.  At least I hope not. 

 

Spoiler

 

Mystical books indicate that in the demonic worlds there are analogues of our countries and they are led by tyrannical creatures. They prepare and bring rulers to power who agree to a dark mission on earth. So, when the previous Soviet ruler of Russia died in the demonic world (about death of Stalin), then the new and young tyrant struck him several blows and finished him off, and then he began to drink his blood and drank for a long time and learned and adopted the habits of the previous ruler . Therefore, Putin cannot move away from the role of playing in the Soviet  Union since expresses the idea and agreed to play the role of a tyrant further. According to the predictions of Grigory Rasputin, the last cruel ruler of Russia will rule for 25 years. That is, given the temporary rule of Medvedev, then Putin has three years left to rule (became president in 2000).

 

 

Edited May 8, 2022 by Coil

[Tatetopa]

10 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

If he knows that he is unlikely to survive much longer anyway and if he knows he is going to lose then I don't think it would matter to him very much so long as he can take down and disrupt as many of his perceived enemies as possible, even at the cost of his own life.

Well you have to ask whether he is a narcissist or a patriot.  Even if he about to die, if he is a patriot, he will try to save his country and not destroy it out of spite.

[Occult1]

There are reports that Ukrainian troops have retreated from Popasna in the Luhansk region. It estimated that more than 80% of the Luhansk People's Republic has now been liberated by Pro-Russian forces. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chechnyas-kadyrov-says-his-soldiers-control-popasna-ukraine-disagrees-2022-05-08/

Edited May 8, 2022 by Occult1

[+Shooter McGavin]

58 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

There are reports that Ukrainian troops have retreated from Popasna in the Luhansk region. It estimated that more than 80% of the Luhansk People's Republic has now been liberated by Pro-Russian forces. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chechnyas-kadyrov-says-his-soldiers-control-popasna-ukraine-disagrees-2022-05-08/

From your source:

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Luhansk Governor Serhiy Gaidai told Ukraine television that Ukrainian troops had retreated to take up more fortified positions, adding: "Everything was destroyed there."

It's a tactical retreat. It would make no sense in holding rubble "liberated" by pro-Russian forces.

 

Edited May 8, 2022 by Shooter McGavin

[Grim Reaper 6]

12 hours ago, Grey Area said:

I am actually surprised we haven’t heard more from Kimmy over Russia.  

Kim Jung Un is back to firing ( testing misses again ) recently it appears he may have successfully launched a ballistic missile from a Submarine. But, in reality it’s nothing to speak of because he doesn’t make a move without Chinese approval. He is just trying to noticed again, but in reality it’s mostly smoke and mirrors similar to the fact that according to Kim North Korea has no infections from Covid-19. No China is the only player in Asia and to date they are not rattling any sabers, but if China and Russia join forces then there is reason to be concerned!

[Grim Reaper 6]

9 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Not really much anxiety, to be frank. Also, I respect Manwon's extensive knowledge and military service, but I don't necessarily think that it's something that is very relevant to this situation.

Maybe. It depends - on one hand he has acknowledged that a nuclear war is one that nobody would win and has even agreed to avoid nuclear war earlier this year, but on the other hand he has been rather liberal with nuclear war rhetoric.

What if rumours of his illness are true - what if he has parkinson's, cancer, etc? Perhaps it wouldn't matter to him if the destruction of his country was assured especially since he may be dying soon, anyway. A later point you make is that you pose the question of

What if he doesn't care about his children? His actions thus far don't match the actions of somebody who has empathy or, otherwise, cares for anybody but themselves. This is all speculation of course. Maybe he has deep love for his children. Who knows? Color me surprised if it turns out that he does, though.

You still must take into consideration that there are people in his military who actually launch the weapons. These individuals are specially trained to carry out the orders and these individuals actually launch the Nuclear Weapon. This can present a problem for any Nation if these operators refuse to carry out launch instructions. While most Nations are confident their military personnel will without question follow orders and launch their weapon, however will they?

I am certain if their country has incoming ballistic missiles most will follow orders, but when a country is initiating a first strike the actual operators may think twice. I believe that if Putin decided to go out in a blaze and take his Nation and people with him, that his military may disregard his orders to launch their Nuclear Arsenal knowing full well the consequences of their actions. Now, I admit it is impossible to say what will happen and hopefully we will find out!

JIMO

[Occult1]

2 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said:

It's a tactical retreat. It would make no sense in holding rubble "liberated" by pro-Russian forces.

The Russian forces are moving step by step, deeper and deeper into Luhansk according to the Governor. These reports are, of course, largely ignored in the Western media. It seems the next eastern bastion to fall is going to be the city of Severodonetsk.

Edited May 9, 2022 by Occult1

[AlonaLameDeer]

6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

There are reports that Ukrainian troops have retreated from Popasna in the Luhansk region. It estimated that more than 80% of the Luhansk People's Republic has now been liberated by Pro-Russian forces. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/chechnyas-kadyrov-says-his-soldiers-control-popasna-ukraine-disagrees-2022-05-08/

"Liberated"

Funny word for taking another persons land... Your (Most likely payed for) Bias is showing.