Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[godnodog]

16 minutes ago, razman said:

Would be nice to see us get away from China manufacturing , not sure how easy that is though.

Honestly as China is not Russia, thought also not an democracy it's probably a more "rational" actor than Russia, so it might be good to have a better relationship with them, after all we can't just suddenly shift production back to western countries or other "problematic" locations, it would probably create more problems for all parts.

[ThereWeAreThen]

2 hours ago, godnodog said:

Honestly as China is not Russia, thought also not an democracy it's probably a more "rational" actor than Russia, so it might be good to have a better relationship with them, after all we can't just suddenly shift production back to western countries or other "problematic" locations, it would probably create more problems for all parts.

Plus it would cost an absolute fortune. I think it should be done but over in time.

[Occult1]

So far all the predictions on May 9th by Pro-Ukrainian propagandists have been wrong:

 

1. Russia did not declare war on Ukraine and announce a mass mobilisation.

2. Russia did not use nuke on Ukraine.

3. Russia did not parade Ukrainian POWs in Mariupol.

 

Could it be that Putin has a clear plan for eastern Ukraine that they are failing to understand?

Edited May 9, 2022 by Occult1

[AlonaLameDeer]

1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

So far all the predictions on May 9th by Pro-Ukrainian propagandists have been wrong:

1. Russia did not declare war on Ukraine and announce the mass mobilisation

2. Russia did not use nuke on Ukraine

3. Russia did not parade Ukrainian POWs

 

Could it be that Putin has a clear plan for eastern Ukraine that they are failing to understand?

You can have a plan all you want. Doesn’t mean it’s going to work. Russians “breakthrough” today foiled when the “destroyed” Ukrainian Air Force bombed there pontoon bridges and the UA mopped up the Russian units stuck on the other side. Putin is treading water. 

[ThereWeAreThen]

12 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

So far all the predictions on May 9th by Pro-Ukrainian propagandists have been wrong:

 

1. Russia did not declare war on Ukraine and announce a mass mobilisation.

2. Russia did not use nuke on Ukraine.

3. Russia did not parade Ukrainian POWs in Mariupol.

 

Could it be that Putin has a clear plan for eastern Ukraine that they are failing to understand?

Pro-Ukrainian propagandists. 

[+and-then]

On 5/8/2022 at 4:34 AM, ThereWeAreThen said:

how do we know he will or wont?? It's just speculation

Everyone is entitled to an opinion of the perceived risk.  I grew up during the height of the Cold War and my perspective is based on the realities learned at that time.  If I had to bet everything I owned this moment on whether Putin could be crazy enough to roll those dice, I'd probably say no, he won't.  There are rumors that he is terminally ill, mentally ill, and otherwise in a state where he might be willing to gamble it all.

All I can say for those who are willing to call his "bluff" is that the price for being wrong is not one anyone can really know until the bombs begin falling.  At that point, the chances of backing away from catastrophe will be dicey and the costs of doing so will be chilling for our future.

[Setton]

5 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Yea they have stealing and copying technology from around the world for many years. Copyright infringement has no meaning to them at all,  

A personal favourite of mine

[Duke Wellington]

35 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

So far all the predictions on May 9th by Pro-Ukrainian propagandists have been wrong:

 

1. Russia did not declare war on Ukraine and announce a mass mobilisation.

2. Russia did not use nuke on Ukraine.

3. Russia did not parade Ukrainian POWs in Mariupol.

 

Could it be that Putin has a clear plan for eastern Ukraine that they are failing to understand?

Or he saw the predictions and is waiting until tomorrow to prove us wrong, like he did with the start date of the war.

[Occult1]

33 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Or he saw the predictions and is waiting until tomorrow to prove us wrong, like he did with the start date of the war.

The problem is, since February the Pro-Ukrainian side have been attributing things to Putin he probably doesn't even want to do. Occupying Kyiv, invading a NATO country next, using nuke etc. 

Edited May 9, 2022 by Occult1

[spartan max2]

3 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

The problem is, since February the Pro-Ukrainian side have been attributing things to Putin he probably doesn't even want to do. Occupying Kyiv, invading a NATO country next, using nuke etc. 

. It I wasent too lazy I would go through the early thread and quote you to you. The only reason you decided now that Putin does not want to occupy Kyiv is because he failed at taking it.

If you are confident that Putin will not invade a NATO nation than that is perfect justification for why Finland, and every other east Europe nation should hurry and join NATO.

Edited May 9, 2022 by spartan max2

[Duke Wellington]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The problem is, since February the Pro-Ukrainian side have been attributing things to Putin he probably doesn't even want to do. Occupying Kyiv, invading a NATO country next, using nuke etc. 

Yeah, they totally bad mouthing him in every way possible.

[Occult1]

4 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

. It I wasent too lazy I would go through the early thread and quote you to you. The only reason you decided now that Putin does not want to occupy Kyiv is because he failed at taking it.

The Russian Military were on the outskirts of Kyiv, only a few kilometers away, launching air, sea and land attacks. If Putin really wanted to take down the Ukrainian capital and it's decision-makers, he would have done it already.

Edited May 9, 2022 by Occult1

[Grey Area]

19 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

The Russian Military were on the outskirts of Kyiv, only a few kilometers away, launching air, sea and land attacks. If Putin really wanted to take down the Ukrainian capital and it's decision-makers, he would have done it already.

Oh come on!  Even you with your unwavering soviet patriotism cannot be that naive.

Putin made a clear play for the capital and failed.  There is no strategic or tactical advantage for the Russian military to have wasted that many lives and materiel if the intended target was the eastern regions all along.

Face it, Putin thought Ukraine would fold at the mere sight of his forces advancing on the capital.  Show them a few tanks, give them a few bangs and they’d go running back to the motherland.

The whole thing is deranged.

[Duke Wellington]

6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The Russian Military were on the outskirts of Kyiv, only a few kilometers away, launching air, sea and land attacks. If Putin really wanted to take down the Ukrainian capital and it's decision-makers, he would have done it already.

Despite the claims of the invasion of Ukraine being illegal under international law it isn`t.

Putin has been careful not to take the capital because the problem is in Eastern Ukraine. If he had taken Kiev that would have got him into trouble at the UN and Hague. As it is, he thinks before he acts.

[DarkHunter]

30 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Despite the claims of the invasion of Ukraine being illegal under international law it isn`t.

Putin has been careful not to take the capital because the problem is in Eastern Ukraine. If he had taken Kiev that would have got him into trouble at the UN and Hague. As it is, he thinks before he acts.

Just about every international law expert considers the invasion to be illegal.  Russia has tried to argue that it is legal under article 51 of the UN charter but the issue is Donetsk and Lunetsk are not recognized as independent states by the UN so the collective defense argument doesnt work.

No matter how its spin what Russia did was illegal under international law but since Russia is a permanent member of the security council and has veto power it doesnt matter if they violate international law or not.

[DarkHunter]

A bit late but I was rather busy today with a rather time sensitive matter.  

The Ukranian military continues to push the Russian military back away from Kharkiv.  Now Russia only holds a few towns and is within a couple of miles of the border.  Once Kharkiv has been secured I'm guessing there will probably be a large attack on the flank of the Donbas front to cut Russian supply lines and potentially trap large sections of the Russian military.

In the Donbas front most Russian assaults failed again but in a few areas they have gained ground.  Not much ground and it generally seems to be from Ukranians falling back to better defensive positions so no Russian breakthrough yet of the Ukranian lines.

In the south not much seems to be going on.  Interestingly Russia has started using anti-ship cruise missiles to strike ground targets in Ukraine.  The missiles are capable of doing these attacks but it does suggest Russia is starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel for its precision munitions.

[godnodog]

3 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Despite the claims of the invasion of Ukraine being illegal under international law it isn`t.

Putin has been careful not to take the capital because the problem is in Eastern Ukraine. If he had taken Kiev that would have got him into trouble at the UN and Hague. As it is, he thinks before he acts.

So it's ok to invade another country as long as you don't go for the capital, alrighty then.....

[Grim Reaper 6]

59 minutes ago, godnodog said:

So it's ok to invade another country as long as you don't go for the capital, alrighty then.....

Wow, Cookie is certainly in La La Land today In fact he is so far out there I’m afraid to ask where his information is coming from.

In closing all I can say is that what ever he has I hope it’s not contagious!

Edited May 10, 2022 by Manwon Lender

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Despite the claims of the invasion of Ukraine being illegal under international law it isn`t.

Putin has been careful not to take the capital because the problem is in Eastern Ukraine. If he had taken Kiev that would have got him into trouble at the UN and Hague. As it is, he thinks before he acts.

The Hague opened an investigation into war crimes committed during the Russian invasion on 2 Mar 2022. Catch up partner your a little behind the times, this investigation has included crimes that occurred beginning 2014 to date.

Ukraine

ICC investigations opened: 2 March 2022

Focus: Alleged crimes committed in the context of situation in Ukraine since 21 November 2013 

Current regional focus: Ukraine

Jurisdiction in the general situation

Ukraine is not a State Party to the Rome Statute, but it has twice exercised its prerogatives to accept the Court's jurisdiction over alleged crimes under the Rome Statute occurring on its territory, pursuant to article 12(3) of the Statute. The first declaration lodged by the Government of Ukraine accepted ICC jurisdiction with respect to alleged crimes committed on Ukrainian territory from 21 November 2013 to 22 February 2014. The second declaration extended this time period on an open-ended basis to encompass ongoing alleged crimes committed throughout the territory of Ukraine from 20 February 2014 onwards.

On 28 February 2022, the ICC Prosecutor announced  he would seek authorisation to open an investigation into the Situation in Ukraine, on the basis of the Office's earlier conclusions arising from its preliminary examination, and encompassing any new alleged crimes falling within the jurisdiction of the Court.

On 1 March 2022, the Office received a State Party referral from the Republic of Lithuania. On 2 March 2022, the following coordinated group of States Parties submitted a joint referral: Republic of Albania, Commonwealth of Australia, Republic of Austria, Kingdom of Belgium, Republic of Bulgaria, Canada, Republic of Colombia, Republic of Costa Rica, Republic of Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Kingdom of Denmark, Republic of Estonia, Republic of Finland, Republic of France, Georgia, Federal Republic of Germany, Hellenic Republic, Hungary, Republic of Iceland, Ireland, Republic of Italy, Republic of Latvia, Principality of Liechtenstein, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, Republic of Malta, New Zealand, Kingdom of Norway, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Republic of Poland, Republic of Portugal, Romania, Slovak Republic, Republic of Slovenia, Kingdom of Spain, Kingdom of Sweden, Swiss Confederation, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

On 2 March 2022, the Prosecutor announced he had proceeded to open an investigation into the Situation in Ukraine on the basis of the referrals received. In accordance with the overall jurisdictional parameters conferred through these referrals, and without prejudice to the focus of the investigation, the scope of the situation encompasses any past and present allegations of war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide committed on any part of the territory of Ukraine by any person from 21 November 2013 onwards.

On 11 March 2022, the Prosecutor confirmed that two additional States, Japan and North Macedonia, have referred the Situation in Ukraine to the Office. On 21 March 2022, Montenegro further informed the Office of it's decision to join the group State Party referral, and on 1 April 2022, the Republic of Chile joined the group State Party referral of the situation. 

The Office of the Prosecutor has established a dedicated portal through which any person that may hold information relevant to the Ukraine situation can contact ICC investigators.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/ukraine

[jethrofloyd]

The city council in the southern Czech town of Ceske Budejovice has voted in favor of revoking the honorary citizenship of Valentina Tereskova, the first woman to go into space, 

https://newsbeezer.com/bulgariaeng/they-took-away-the-honorary-citizenship-of-the-czech-republic-from-the-first-woman-in-space-valentina-tereshkova/

[spartan max2]

Soo @Cookie Monster where is that nuke that was suppose to happen Monday 

Edited May 10, 2022 by spartan max2

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

14 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The Russian Military were on the outskirts of Kyiv, only a few kilometers away, launching air, sea and land attacks. If Putin really wanted to take down the Ukrainian capital and it's decision-makers, he would have done it already.

You mean the same way that Hitler never really wanted to take Moscow or Stalingrad ? 

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

8 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Despite the claims of the invasion of Ukraine being illegal under international law it isn`t.

Putin has been careful not to take the capital because the problem is in Eastern Ukraine. If he had taken Kiev that would have got him into trouble at the UN and Hague. As it is, he thinks before he acts.

Do you care to point our where international law says anything like that ?

[ThereWeAreThen]

3 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Wow, Cookie is certainly in La La Land today In fact he is so far out there I’m afraid to ask where his information is coming from.

In closing all I can say is that what ever he has I hope it’s not contagious!

Only today???

[+Nuclear Wessel]

8 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Despite the claims of the invasion of Ukraine being illegal under international law it isn`t.

 

How Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine Violates International Law | Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)