Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[+joc]

18 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Cut off the brushing portion and sharpen the top and you have yourself a nice spear. You gotta scream like a banshee for maximum effect when you charge at the soldiers with your spear, tho.

or cut off the top and use it as a torch...break the broom in half and you have yourself some fighting sticks!

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by joc

[Occult1]

1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

Seems a Russian assault on Kharkiv has been stopped.  Sumy is a bit of a complicated situation, videos of Russian tanks and armored vehicles in Sumy but supposedly Ukranian forces still hold all of the government buildings and everything essentially.  The videos out of Sumy are surreal as there are Russian tanks driving down roads with civilian cars driving around ignoring them, saw one video that had a Russian tank in civilian traffic.

Russia will quickly overrun Ukraine in a matter of days.  They have the military capability. Does you seriously believe Ukraine stands a chance?

We have reports from the National Security Council in the U.S. that the invasion won't last very long.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Occult1

[Grey Area]

20 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Cut off the brushing portion and sharpen the top and you have yourself a nice spear. You gotta scream like a banshee for maximum effect when you charge at the soldiers with your spear, tho.

If this spills over and NATO get involved I will be signing up for the reserves.  The regulars won’t have me back, I’m too old, but the reserves will.

God every time I see Putin’s face on the news it triggers me.

[Grey Area]

2 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia will quickly overrun Ukraine in a matter of days.  They have the military capability. Does you seriously believe Ukraine stands a chance?

No one thinks Ukraine could stand up to Russia, they have the second largest armed forces in the world.

Ukraine can make it expensive, and the right Sanctions can ensure that Putin bankrupts Russia replacing his losses.  And if Putin wants to occupy Ukraine, he’ll be fighting an insurgency, with a ready flow of NATO weapons.

[DarkHunter]

4 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia will quickly overrun Ukraine in a matter of days.  They have the military capability. Does you seriously believe Ukraine stands a chance?

We have reports from the National Security Council in the U.S. that the invasion won't last very long.

Going by the reports and videos from people in Ukraine I think Ukraine got a chance, they broke a few offensive pushes already, morale seems to be fine, and the more the war turns into urban warfare the better Ukraine will perform.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Just now, DarkHunter said:

Going by the reports and videos from people in Ukraine I think Ukraine got a chance, they broke a few offensive pushes already, morale seems to be fine, and the more the war turns into urban warfare the better Ukraine will perform.

Putin is going to be vicious. We should not underestimate what he will do if his plans start to fail. Exercise optimism very cautiously.

[Coil]

According to The New York Times, American intelligence predicted the "fall" of Kiev within the next 96 hours. It is noteworthy that earlier US intelligence "successfully" predicted the fall of Afghanistan.

230 km to my city from Kherson where the fighting is.

[Occult1]

11 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

Ukraine can make it expensive, and the right Sanctions can ensure that Putin bankrupts Russia replacing his losses.

The West no longer has hegemony over the entire globe. Sanctions will hurt, but not do much in the end.

The Russia-China-India-Iran bloc of geopolitical influence can stand on it's own.

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And if Putin wants to occupy Ukraine, he’ll be fighting an insurgency, with a ready flow of NATO weapons.

I'm sure you do realize that NATO will be providing training and weapons to Neo Nazi militias. They are the ones who will fight your insurgency.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

2 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Putin is going to be vicious. We should not underestimate what he will do if his plans start to fail. Exercise optimism very cautiously.

I am, the fighting is going to get far worse.  The Ukranian military is going to get pushed back to the urban centers and the war will turn massively bloody.  Most of Ukraine will probably be destroyed, casualties probably in the hundreds of thousands.  I dont see Ukraine having its moral broken or surrendering to Russia.  It's the whole wars begin when one wills but rarely end when one wants type situation.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

12 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

If this spills over and NATO get involved I will be signing up for the reserves.  The regulars won’t have me back, I’m too old, but the reserves will.

God every time I see Putin’s face on the news it triggers me.

I have 29% lung function. My stamina is actually pretty good, but I will toot my own horn and say I am a goddamn good crackshot. Should there ever be an invasion on Canadian soil or in my territory give me a sniper rifle with a suppressor and I'll go the way of White Death.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

3 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

I am, the fighting is going to get far worse.  The Ukranian military is going to get pushed back to the urban centers and the war will turn massively bloody.  Most of Ukraine will probably be destroyed, casualties probably in the hundreds of thousands.  I dont see Ukraine having its moral broken or surrendering to Russia.  It's the whole wars begin when one wills but rarely end when one wants type situation.

Yep, exactly. This ain't Crimea 2014 all over again, that's for sure. 

[+joc]

2 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I'm sure you do realize that NATO will be providing training and weapons to Neo Nazi militias.

[Coil]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stated that the troops that invaded Ukraine successfully fulfilled all the tasks set for the day.

Our troops :

in Donbass the Armed Forces operate perfectly;

The Kharkiv direction is very difficult, the forces for the protection of the city are working reliably;

the most problematic situation is in the south. Ukrainian troops are fighting fierce battles in the suburbs of Kherson. The enemy is trying to advance towards Melitopol from the occupied Crimea; in the north, the enemy is slowly advancing in the Chernihiv region, but there is "someone to restrain him"; in the Zhytomyr region - reliable defense; an armed landing party is blocked in Gostomel, troops are ordered to destroy;

Edited February 24, 2022 by Coil

[DarkHunter]

3 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Yep, exactly. This ain't Crimea 2014 all over again, that's for sure. 

Which I suspect Putin was hoping it would be.

[Coil]

the capture map hasn't changed much:

air strike map:

 

 

[Occult1]

15 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

I am, the fighting is going to get far worse.  The Ukranian military is going to get pushed back to the urban centers and the war will turn massively bloody.  Most of Ukraine will probably be destroyed, casualties probably in the hundreds of thousands.  I dont see Ukraine having its moral broken or surrendering to Russia.  It's the whole wars begin when one wills but rarely end when one wants type situation.

Even if somehow, Ukrainian forces manage to properly defend their cities and hold out for some time, Russia still has won.

Ukraine will never be able to 'join' NATO or fall under the European sphere of influence. It will no longer be a geopolitical threat to Russia.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

9 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Even if somehow, Ukrainian forces manage to properly defend their cities and hold out for some time, Russia still has won.

Ukraine will never be able to 'join' NATO or fall under the European sphere of influence. It will no longer be a geopolitical threat to Russia.

Ukraine is going to either be reduced to complete rubble, a nuclear wasteland, or be absorbed into Russia.

There is no winning for Ukraine here, as difficult as that is to say. Russia will NEVER relent.

[+and-then]

12 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I dont know how you can be comfortable with that fact.

It's simple... when one nation invades another without cause, the aggressor stands to lose in lots of ways.  Are you insinuating that those who would defend their homes in Ukraine are "tainted" somehow because a militia joins the fray?

[jmccr8]

I was wondering what effect it might have if commercial flights to and from Russia were closed so they could not land in any countries that oppose the aggression as well as stopping trains and car/transports in or out of Russia to the west. 

[Electric Scooter]

I recon with current progress this will be a 2 week war unless Kiev taps out earlier.

Russians now have Chernobyl.

[Helen of Annoy]

7 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Ukraine is going to either be reduced to complete rubble, a nuclear wasteland, or be absorbed into Russia.

There is no winning for Ukraine here, as difficult as that is to say. Russia will NEVER relent.

I wouldn't be so sure Russia is immune to everything that will befall it. 

 

Now they want to negotiate Ukrainian surrender. It probably makes sense only I can't see it.  

[DarkHunter]

Not confirmed reports yet but rumors are coming out that Ukraine has largely retook the airport close to Kiev, these unofficial accounts are saying the Ukranian military is liquidating the last of the Russian special forces holding the airport.

I dont know if special forces were at the airport but the Russian VDV did do an air assault on the airport.  For those that dont know VDV are elite Russian units and they wouldnt just sacrifice them so if they were used to take that airport in an air assault Russia was planning on getting reinforcements to them soon so something went horribly wrong if these reports end up being true.

[Helen of Annoy]

1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said:

I recon with current progress this will be a 2 week war unless Kiev taps out earlier.

It's been going on since 2014. 

 

1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said:

Russians now have Chernobyl.

Congratulations. 

Steal as much as you can. Especially the stuff that glows in the dark. It will look great in your living room. 

[DarkHunter]

26 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Even if somehow, Ukrainian forces manage to properly defend their cities and hold out for some time, Russia still has won.

Ukraine will never be able to 'join' NATO or fall under the European sphere of influence. It will no longer be a geopolitical threat to Russia.

After this invasion if Ukraine remains an independent country then Russia has guaranteed they will end up in NATO.  It might not be a threat immediately but after its rebuilt it will be a far larger threat.

[Occult1]

34 minutes ago, and then said:

It's simple... when one nation invades another without cause, the aggressor stands to lose in lots of ways.  Are you insinuating that those who would defend their homes in Ukraine are "tainted" somehow because a militia joins the fray?

I'm not sure it's without ''cause''. I think you underestimate the geopolitical implications of having Ukraine join NATO or Europe for Russia. It's as if Canada or Mexico was joining China or Russia's sphere of influence. It would be very uncomfortable or downright dangerous for the United States to have such a state threatening it's borders. This is of course, a fictional representation, but I'm sure you get the point.

Also, I'm not sure how any sane citizen in the West can cheer for Neo Nazi millitias 'fighting for Ukraine'. I have no respect for such individuals. I don't think we should turn a blind eye on that inconvenient fact.

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Facebook Allows Praise of Neo-Nazi Ukrainian Battalion If It Fights Russian Invasion

Facebook will temporarily allow its billions of users to praise the Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian neo-Nazi military unit previously banned from being freely discussed under the company’s Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy, The Intercept has learned.

https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/

 

 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Occult1