Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Stiff]

[odas]

24 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

I was wondering what effect it might have if commercial flights to and from Russia were closed so they could not land in any countries that oppose the aggression as well as stopping trains and car/transports in or out of Russia to the west. 

This makes sense however the same should apply to countries that support Russia. If our leaders had brains and balls that is what they should do.

[odas]

1 hour ago, Coil said:

According to The New York Times, American intelligence predicted the "fall" of Kiev within the next 96 hours. It is noteworthy that earlier US intelligence "successfully" predicted the fall of Afghanistan.

230 km to my city from Kherson where the fighting is.

Stay safe Coil.

[Grey Area]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

The West no longer has hegemony over the entire globe. Sanctions will hurt, but not do much in the end.

The Russia-China-India-Iran bloc of geopolitical influence can stand on it's own.

I'm sure you do realize that NATO will be providing training and weapons to Neo Nazi militias. They are the ones who will fight your insurgency.

well… no prizes for guessing what area of the world you are from then?  I have a feeling it’s going to get very lonely for you.

Oh and what evidence do you have for the Neo-Nazi thing?  Something independent please, Russian propaganda is as laughable as it is disturbing.

[jmccr8]

1 minute ago, odas said:

This makes sense however the same should apply to countries that support Russia. If our leaders had brains and balls that is what they should do.

Hi Odas

Agreed, my thoughts are that it would add pressure to industry and private citizens to protest against Putin's actions as he does not represent the Russian people at this point. 

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8 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

The Bundeswehr, once one of the top five militaries in the world, is a shadow, a mere hollow shell of it's once formidable self. Thirty years of neglect have left it, largely, impotent. 

Why, Toast assures us that this is all propaganda!  That minister got one thing correct... "help from the west" isn't a certainty at this point  

[+and-then]

6 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

If he doesn't throw the first nuke in the meantime, of course. It would be safer to get him away from the nuke switch right now. 

That speech he gave last night showed a side of him most of us haven't seen.  He actually LOOKED crazy.  Dead eyes...

[Grey Area]

19 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I'm not sure it's without ''cause''. I think you underestimate the geopolitical implications of having Ukraine join NATO or Europe for Russia.

Ukraine wasn’t joining the EU or NATO.  It wanted to but had been rejected.

Putin said he had no intent to invade, he said the forces on Ukraine’s borders were training.  This is on record, from his mouth.  He lied about that, very obviously, but you believe this neo-Nazi bulls**t?

Again, where is your evidenc?  because believe me if there is one thing the west hates more than anything else, it’s Nazis, hell if Putin had evidence there was a Neo-Nazi regime, NATO would’ve helped him.

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6 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Without having troops in Ukraine I can't see how there would possibly of been any other outcome

Just remember that this has only just begun.  If he goes full-barbarian and kills thousands of Ukrainians it will stiffen resistance to his forces and as long as we are supplying them with hard-hitting weapons, it will be he who is on borrowed time.  He cannot occupy that whole country with 200K troops.  Once the economic tables begin to turn on him it will be a struggle just to keep that many in the field, let alone effectively support combat operations.

[Occult1]

9 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

well… no prizes for guessing what area of the world you are from then?  I have a feeling it’s going to get very lonely for you.

I'm from the West. That doesn't mean I shouldn't have a balanced, objective view about the whole thing.

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Oh and what evidence do you have for the Neo-Nazi thing?  Something independent please, Russian propaganda is as laughable as it is disturbing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

https://jacobinmag.com/2022/01/cia-neo-nazi-training-ukraine-russia-putin-biden-nato

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY

https://www.thedailybeast.com/is-america-training-neonazis-in-ukraine

https://geohistory.today/azov-movement-ukraine/

https://fair.org/home/western-media-fall-in-lockstep-for-neo-nazi-publicity-stunt-in-ukraine/

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6 hours ago, Myles said:

This could escalate very quickly.  We will start to suffer immediately in the USA.  Prices are already going up.  

I noticed the administration's spokesperson trying to blame all of the inflation of the past year on events that are just beginning over there.  Gas is about 1.20 per gallon more today than it was on 1/20/21.

[RAyMO]

3 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

MAD also doesn’t necessarily hold as much weight as it used to, for a couple of reasons.

1.) it assumes that anti-missile systems are not sophisticated enough to handle the onslaught.

2.) it was developed at a time when “hypersonic” missiles were purely science fiction. A barrage of nukes could launch and hit all targets potentially before the opponent had a chance to react. Because it is in orbit it would not be able to be tracked by traditional defense systems.

I don’t think MAD necessarily applies anymore. 

I suspect it applies to a certain degree - is any defence 100%

What has changed is Putin effectively declaring he doesn't give a toss and will fire nukes if needs be. 

[jmccr8]

1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

I'm from the West.

Hi Occult

2 kms west of Moscow isn't really west as we know it.

[Occult1]

9 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

Ukraine wasn’t joining the EU or NATO.  It wanted to but had been rejected.

Ukraine is a NATO member in 'all but name'. They are insisting on joining and have even contributed to NATO missions. Who are we kidding?

It was only a matter of time before Ukraine served as a launching pad for NATO. This has forced the Russian Bear to react.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Occult1

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7 hours ago, Coil said:

I have to leave the forum I'll come in the evening.

 

Best wishes for your safety and the safety of those you love, Coil.

[+and-then]

7 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

If Putin gets a foothold in Ukraine ,which Country is next on the list as he won't stop there , sanctions won't stop him . He took over Crimea and Countries objected but did nothing then , so it looks like unless he is stopped it will be war with N.A.T.O. ,and that means the end of the world as far as humans are concerned , because I don't doubt that he will use Nukes if things go against his plan ,and worse still is China sitting in the wings waiting to see what happens ,before they kick off . 

Staging nuclear capable cruise missiles as well as ABM systems in eastern European NATO nations will be about all we can do, IMO.  If he decides he can push the west and that we don't have to resolve to fight then it will be what it is.  Putting control of tactical nukes in the hands of Poles, Czechs, and Romanians might change his calculus, a bit.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Lol a Russian military equipment transport aircraft just crashed. Cited cause, "equipment failure". 

[Electric Scooter]

49 minutes ago, Stiff said:

Already? Even by their standards that was quick lol.

[+and-then]

5 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

One confirmed destroyed Russian T-80 as the turret has been blown completely off.

The young men in those tanks are going to learn to fear the Javelins.  

[Occult1]

12 minutes ago, and then said:

Staging nuclear capable cruise missiles as well as ABM systems in eastern European NATO nations will be about all we can do, IMO.  If he decides he can push the west and that we don't have to resolve to fight then it will be what it is.  Putting control of tactical nukes in the hands of Poles, Czechs, and Romanians might change his calculus, a bit.

People forget that Ukraine was under the Kremlin's influence prior to 2014. That was before the West started funding and arming an insurgency to overthrow the elected government.

Maybe Putin's goal is to restore that balance?

https://mronline.org/2022/02/24/what-you-should-really-know-about-ukraine/

Edited February 24, 2022 by Occult1

[Electric Scooter]

Just now, and then said:

The young men in those tanks are going to learn to fear the Javelins.  

The armour on the T-80 is easily penetrated by Javelins.

The armour on The T-90 is quite a bit better and will defeat them unless it hits a right place on the turret.

[odas]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795

 

Biden says Putin 'has much larger ambitions'

In his remarks at the White House, President Biden also said that he believes Vladimir Putin "has much larger ambitions" that go far beyond Ukraine's borders.

"He wants to, in fact, re-establish the former Soviet Union," Biden said. "That's what this is about".

 

 

Helllooouuu genius!!!!

[Electric Scooter]

2 minutes ago, odas said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795

Biden says Putin 'has much larger ambitions'

In his remarks at the White House, President Biden also said that he believes Vladimir Putin "has much larger ambitions" that go far beyond Ukraine's borders.

"He wants to, in fact, re-establish the former Soviet Union," Biden said. "That's what this is about".

Helllooouuu genius!!!!

Remember that map I posted in the other topic?

Well it goes like this. Russia at least needs the Ukraine and Baltic States to secure its Western border. Finland would also be useful too. But, with the economic sanctions the only way it can prop up its economy is to grab a whole lot more:

Transnistria, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, and Germany.

No one will stop them, those countries have a combined smaller army than Russia. On top of that the USA/UK/France will not act, because they dont want a nuke exchange.

So, we dont know how many countries he will grab, but you should also expect NATO to disintegrate. Meanwhile Serbian TV says they are militarising, and Russia is coming to link up with them.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Cookie Monster

[+Nuclear Wessel]

3 minutes ago, odas said:

"He wants to, in fact, re-establish the former Soviet Union," Biden said. "That's what this is about".

Shock-horror.

Also, for those who are questioning just how long Russia can wage this war if need be... let it sink in that apparently Russia is 4th in the world for having military reserve funds.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Nuclear Wessel

[Occult1]

3 minutes ago, odas said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795

 

Biden says Putin 'has much larger ambitions'

In his remarks at the White House, President Biden also said that he believes Vladimir Putin "has much larger ambitions" that go far beyond Ukraine's borders.

"He wants to, in fact, re-establish the former Soviet Union," Biden said. "That's what this is about".

 

 

Helllooouuu genius!!!!

But why isn't Biden talking about the U.S. wanting to expand NATO?

There are always 2 sides of the coin.