Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Nutrition Fact]

47 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Well you seem a bit disappointed because of the fact that NATO will not leave the Ukrainians unaided. Wait to this winter Moscow will have riots in the street, and sadly Putin has done these to not only his own people, he has caused problems span the entire Globe

So don’t worry about Western Nations there will get through this alright, your concern should lay with the Russians they are going to suffer more than any other Nation! Below is only the beginning, like I said by winter it will be out of control.

Russia reaches out for food, grocery supplies from India

BENGALURU : With its departmental stores running out of groceries, sanctions-hit Russia has reached out to Indian retailers and agro exporters for urgent supplies, more so as the EU has stopped supplies for the second month in a row.  The list includes orange marmalade, mango jam, pasta, oats flakes, pancake mix, spaghetti, basmati rice, coffee, tea, cornflakes, rum, ketchup and prawns. Russians are reaching out for supply of food and groceries as they were earlier supplied by the EU, the UK and the US. They have sent an elaborate list of items that they require immediately. We have already circulated the list to traders across India," said Praveen Khandelwal, secretary general, CAIT.  https://www.livemint.com/news/world/russia-reaches-out-for-food-grocery-supplies-from-india-11650046397324.html

 

This war started in 2014 is what both sides have repeatedly stated although western media hasnt acknowledged that fact.  There were something like already 10,000 deaths before the invasion, mostly Ukranians assassinating Russians east of the river.

Edited June 19, 2022 by Nutrition Fact

[ThereWeAreThen]

10 minutes ago, Nutrition Fact said:

This war started in 2014 is what both sides have repeatedly stated although western media hasnt acknowledged that fact.  There were something like already 10,000 deaths before the invasion, mostly Ukranians assassinating Russians east of the river.

Assassinating Orcs East of the river? You mean defending Ukraine??

[Nutrition Fact]

1 minute ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Assassinating Orcs East of the river? You mean defending Ukraine??

I have no emotional investment in this, stating fact, couldnt care less who did what to who.

Edited June 19, 2022 by Nutrition Fact

[ThereWeAreThen]

6 minutes ago, Nutrition Fact said:

I have no emotional investment in this, stating fact, couldnt care less who did what to who.

There's been an invading force in the east since 2014 attacking yhe state. Ukraine are defending their sovereignty, that's the point I'm making.

[Grim Reaper 6]

50 minutes ago, Nutrition Fact said:

This war started in 2014 is what both sides have repeatedly stated although western media hasnt acknowledged that fact.  There were something like already 10,000 deaths before the invasion, mostly Ukranians assassinating Russians east of the river.

Why not post a source that supports that, I have not heard that before!

[Grim Reaper 6]

47 minutes ago, Nutrition Fact said:

I have no emotional investment in this, stating fact, couldnt care less who did what to who.

Ok then why respond?

 

Edited June 19, 2022 by Manwon Lender

[Helen of Annoy]

13 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Ok than why respond?

 

For a sandwich.

In Croatian speaking parts of the Internet, we tell those, after first pro-Putler post they make, to chew their Russian sandwich in silence. 

They of course keep coming back, parroting Putler's propaganda like broken records. As if it can make any difference. Only the deliberately stupid can fall for Ruzzian propaganda after it became very evident what "Russian peace" consists of. 

Oh, and the nutritional fact of the day: main ingredient in Ruzzian propaganda sandwich is ****. 

Edited June 19, 2022 by Helen of Annoy

[ThereWeAreThen]

9 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

For a sandwich.

In Croatian speaking parts of the Internet, we tell those, after first pro-Putler post they make, to chew their Russian sandwich in silence. 

They of course keep coming back, parroting Putler's propaganda like broken records. As if it can make any difference. Only the deliberately stupid can fall for Ruzzian propaganda after it became very evident what "Russian peace" consists of. 

Oh, and the nutritional fact of the day: main ingredient in Ruzzian propaganda sandwich is ****. 

I'm not entirely certain he's a Putlerbot like the other one. Need to see more posts.

[Helen of Annoy]

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3510161-situation-in-luhansk-region-battle-of-sievierodonetsk-continues-enemy-pressing-from-popasna.html

The situation in Sievierodonetsk is very difficult. 

...

The Azot plant was hit twice – the destructions of checkpoint and treatment facilities were recorded," Head of Luhansk Regional Military Administration Serhiy Haidai posted on Telegram.

 

The situation at the front is very difficult but controlled by the Ukrainian military. The Russians actually have no progress in key areas.

"I would say that the situation is very difficult, especially in Sievierodonetsk direction, but controlled. That is, now we can say that the Russians do not actually have progress in key areas, ...

 

 

And in the Black Sea:

"By reformatting the fleet, the enemy is trying to minimize losses at sea. Currently, the occupiers have 28 Kalibr missiles ready to strike. About 20 were reported the day before,” says the report of the Operational Command "South", Ukrinform reports.

[Helen of Annoy]

5 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

I'm not entirely certain he's a Putlerbot like the other one. Need to see more posts.

I can smell that sandwich   

[Duke Wellington]

2 hours ago, Nutrition Fact said:

I have no emotional investment in this, stating fact, couldnt care less who did what to who.

You are up against those who do have an emotional investment in Putin being Hitler 2, and Russia being fascist.

Even the Pope has pointed out the provocations that started this conflict off.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

For a sandwich.

In Croatian speaking parts of the Internet, we tell those, after first pro-Putler post they make, to chew their Russian sandwich in silence. 

They of course keep coming back, parroting Putler's propaganda like broken records. As if it can make any difference. Only the deliberately stupid can fall for Ruzzian propaganda after it became very evident what "Russian peace" consists of. 

Oh, and the nutritional fact of the day: main ingredient in Ruzzian propaganda sandwich is ****. 

I have always wondered why the Russians hardly ever smile, I think you have explained it with the ingredients of their sandwiches, after biting into that who would smile!

Peace my Sister!

[Helen of Annoy]

49 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

You are up against those who do have an emotional investment in Putin being Hitler 2, and Russia being fascist.

Even the Pope has pointed out the provocations that started this conflict off.

You're Catholic now?   

The Pope made inexplicably Putler-excusing remarks on two occasions, at least.

Some would explain that as him trying to be a pacifist, toning the heated rhetoric down etc.  I do not buy it. 

The only possible logical reason for Pope's reluctance to admit clearly and loudly, without any "but but but provocation" crap, that the war in Ukraine is direct Putler's fault - is the fact that Catholic church is steadily losing ground in the West. (Not to throw a whole essay on the reasons why it is so, it's obvious anyway.)

It remains influential in less developed parts of the world, the same parts of the world where the very false notion of Russia being non-imperialist opponent of the USA is easily sold to the population because of the limited access to the full, unfiltered information. So he couldn't resist playing to his base, which is shifting to the non-western parts of the world.  

The Pope did condemn Russian aggression, but his "but"s left an extremely worrying and unpleasant taste. Just look at all Ruzzian trolls parroting only the "but" part. 

So congratulations, Cookie, you just accidentally gave your contribution to the Catholic church current promotional campaign in Nicaragua and such. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

55 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

You are up against those who do have an emotional investment in Putin being Hitler 2, and Russia being fascist.

Even the Pope has pointed out the provocations that started this conflict off.

The Pope did say that this war was perhaps somehow either provoked or not prevented, but his opinion of how the Russians are handling the speaks volumes that are very negative as far as Russian conduct is concerned as stated below. So please continue with your very very insignificant talking point, read the Popes comments below he makes it very very clear he is not Pro-Putin, he even says the Russians screwed up and made a major miscalculation by invading the Ukrainian Nation so if you somehow think the comments he made supports Putin my friend your not only wrong your lost in Space!

In a transcript of that conversation published on Tuesday, the pontiff said that focusing solely on Russia could prevent people from appreciating “the whole drama unfolding behind this war, which was perhaps somehow either provoked or not prevented.

In the conversation, published by several media outlets including the newspaper La Stampa, the Pope stressed that he is not “pro-Putin” and that it would be “simplistic and wrong to say such a thing.” He further noted that Russia had “miscalculated” the war. “It is also true that the Russians thought that everything would be over in a week. They met a brave people, a people struggling to survive and with a history of struggle,” he added, praising the heroism of the Ukrainian people.

The pontiff also condemned the “ferocity and cruelty of the troops” used by the Russians, “who prefer to send Chechens, Syrians and mercenaries” and that “it is monstrous.” At the same time, he warned against what he claimed was a fairytale perception of conflict as good versus evil. “We have to move away from the usual Little Red Riding Hood scheme, where Little Red Riding Hood was the good guy and the wolf was the bad guy,” he said. He added: “There is something global emerging and the elements are very intertwined.

Pope Francis has expressed that, in his opinion, the third world war has already broken out. “A few years ago it occurred to me to say that we were experiencing a third world war in pieces. Now, for me, it has been declared. And this is something that should make us reflect. What is happening to humanity that it has had three world wars in a century?

https://english.elpais.com/international/2022-06-15/pope-francis-says-ukraine-war-perhaps-provoked-or-not-prevented.html

 

[Occult1]

Russia claims Ukrainian generals killed in missile strike — live updates

''Russia says over 50 Ukrainian 'generals and officers' killed in missile strike

Russian forces targeted a Ukrainian command post while senior Ukrainian military officers were holding a meeting, Russian Defense Ministry said. Moscow said they used sea-launched "Kalibr" rockets in the attack on the site near Dnipro, Ukraine's fourth-largest city.

"Over 50 generals and officers of Ukrainian military were eliminated in the strike" including members of the high command, said Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov.

The spokesman also said Russia destroyed a tank repair plant in Kharkiv as well as 10 howitzers and up to 20 military vehicles in Mykolaiv in separate missile strikes.''

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-claims-ukrainian-generals-killed-in-missile-strike-live-updates/a-62180427

[+Nuclear Wessel]

16 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia claims Ukrainian generals killed in missile strike — live updates

''Russia says over 50 Ukrainian 'generals and officers' killed in missile strike

Russian forces targeted a Ukrainian command post while senior Ukrainian military officers were holding a meeting, Russian Defense Ministry said. Moscow said they used sea-launched "Kalibr" rockets in the attack on the site near Dnipro, Ukraine's fourth-largest city.

"Over 50 generals and officers of Ukrainian military were eliminated in the strike" including members of the high command, said Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov.

The spokesman also said Russia destroyed a tank repair plant in Kharkiv as well as 10 howitzers and up to 20 military vehicles in Mykolaiv in separate missile strikes.''

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-claims-ukrainian-generals-killed-in-missile-strike-live-updates/a-62180427

Has this been independently confirmed/verified? 

[Occult1]

11 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Has this been independently confirmed/verified? 

Not confirmed by the Ukrainian side. But if DW reports on it, that seems credible enough.

[Helen of Annoy]

17 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Has this been independently confirmed/verified? 

Of course not.

It's one of those Russian outrageous claims. If they said 1 or 5 generals, you could await for further info. But 50? In one missile strike? That's beyond obviously false. 

But it doesn't sound so idiotic to Russians, because that's how their Gerasimov got blown back to Moscow  

Is that orc still alive? (Just morbid curiosity.) 

Every Russian accusation is an admission.

One of their armies (combined something crap, I don't remember, can be looked up) has mere colonel as an acting commander, because they've literally run out of generals. 

And they've run of out of generals able or willing to come near Ukraine because Ukrainian armed forces are eliminating them at extremely successful rate. 

So, by Ruzzian logic, they can "fix" that disaster by claiming that no, it was us killing Ukrainian generals. 

 

Orcs also lost 7 large ammo depots in three days. 

 

There indeed were Ruzzian missile attacks yesterday, with civilian casualties and orcs also hit Ukrainian oil storages and a refinery. This is a problem for Ukraine, of course it is. But 50 generals in one missile strike can happen to Ruzzians only, no one else would be that stupid to put 50 generals in one room vulnerable to missiles, in active war zone.  

[jmccr8]

4 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Not confirmed by the Ukrainian side. But if DW reports on it, that seems credible enough.

Hi Occult

Didn’t see you posting for a couple of days and was beginning to wonder if the Ukrainian forces had got you.

[Helen of Annoy]

10 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Not confirmed by the Ukrainian side. But if DW reports on it, that seems credible enough.

It doesn't seem credible at all. DW clearly says it's Russian claim. 

(They didn't elaborate on trustworthiness of Ruzzian habitual liars, but see longer explanation of the phenomenon of Ruzzian lying in my post above): 

https://www.dw.com/en/russia-claims-ukrainian-generals-killed-in-missile-strike-live-updates/a-62180427

Russian officials claim dozens of Ukrainian officers, including generals and members of Ukraine's high command, were killed in a missile strike. 

 

Names, photos, videos? Where? 

Because when Ukrainians off a Ruzzian general, they can prove it and the funerals of said generals in Ruzzia, a bit later, prove it. 

Edited June 19, 2022 by Helen of Annoy

[+Nuclear Wessel]

9 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Not confirmed by the Ukrainian side. But if DW reports on it, that seems credible enough.

Right, but even in the article DW states that they were "not able to independently verify the claims."

All I am seeing is a grand claim being made by Russia, and DW reported on that claim.

Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps it's an attempt at a morale boost? 50 generals killed in a single strike is quite unlikely. Ukraine has managed to kill 12 Russian generals since the invasion began in February, and we are to believe that Russia killed 50 generals, in a single strike? It's a suspicious claim.

[DarkHunter]

The 50 Ukranian generals killed is almost certainly fake.  The first reports I saw were hours ago, 9 or so hours ago if I'm remembering correctly, from pro-Russia twitter accounts, most are probably bots as most tweet literally the same exact stuff word for word at close to the same time.  What makes it rather interesting was the initial reports said 20 than after a short while it jumped to 50.  

[Occult1]

17 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Right, but even in the article DW states that they were "not able to independently verify the claims."

 

Pretty much all the content posted in this thread is not independently confirmed.

 

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Nothing more, nothing less. Perhaps it's an attempt at a morale boost? 50 generals killed in a single strike is quite unlikely. Ukraine has managed to kill 12 Russian generals since the invasion began in February, and we are to believe that Russia killed 50 generals, in a single strike? It's a suspicious claim.

Nowhere does it says 50 generals. The statement from the Russian MoD claims that more than 50 generals and officers of the UAF were killed in a strike. From the report, the strike hit the compound where commanders of several Ukrainian units has gathered for a meeting in the Dnipro region. If true, it's a huge loss for Ukraine and shows that Russian intelligence can be very effective.

Edited June 19, 2022 by Occult1

[Occult1]

Russia says eastern attack is going well, strikes Ukraine with missiles

''June 19 (Reuters) - Russia said on Sunday that its offensive against Sievierodonetsk in eastern Ukraine was proceeding successfully after it took control of a district in the outskirts of the city.

"The offensive in the Sievierodonetsk direction is developing successfully," Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said in a video statement. He said the settlement of Metyolkine, on the eastern outskirts of the city, had been taken.

"The armed forces of the Russian Federation continue to strike military targets on the territory of Ukraine," he said.''

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-struck-kharkiv-tank-repair-plant-with-iskander-missiles-2022-06-19/

 

Seems Russia is still making progress in Donbass despite all the efforts from Western countries to prevent them.

Edited June 19, 2022 by Occult1

[Trelane]

The impotence of the Russian military has been remarkable thus far. Almost 4 months in, and they're still largely getting their butts handed to them. 

The command-and-control apparatus is nonexistent, and their command supply discipline is archaic if not totally failing. 

I'm not an expert by any means, but this campaign will certainly be taught at US War College as a case study in military failures.

Edited June 19, 2022 by Trelane