ExpandMyMind Posted February 25, 2022 #676 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Coil said: Аs of 15:00 on February 25, the following enemy losses were inflicted (approximately): Tanks up to 80 Armored combat vehicles of various types 516 Aircraft 10 Helicopters 7 Personnel 2800 That’s a disaster for Russia, whichever way you look at it. I hope you guys give them a right battering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coil Posted February 25, 2022 #677 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Troops of the Russian Federation made a breakthrough into the Nikolaev region from Kherson. Ours are digging in, we will take the fight.This was announced in a video message by the chairman of the Nikolaev Regional State Administration Vitaly Kim in Telegram. 15:58. Edited February 25, 2022 by Coil 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrumanB Posted February 25, 2022 #678 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said: Russian tanks deliberately crush Ukrainian civilian cars. (No visible blood but footage is extremely disturbing.) https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/uznemirujuce-ruski-oklopnjak-u-kijevu-pregazio-civilni-auto-u-voznji/2342471.aspx War ****ing criminals, Putin and everyone who fights for him. Check some of the comments: - Cini mi se da je ukrajinski oklopnjak odlucio kaznit dezerterstvo.......tako da ovo je ratna propaganda ali ne drzi vodu - Ukrajinski oklopnjak s PZO sistemom SAM 10. - Oznake na transporteru su Ukrajinske. Zanimljivo... - Zašto ne piše da je oklopnjak ukrajinski - ovo je ukrajinska protuzračna odbrana. novinar debil - Ovo nije ruski "tenk", ovo je ukrajinska 9K35 Strela-10 u panici I'm not defending Russians, I would just like to know the facts. Edited February 25, 2022 by TrumanB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrumanB Posted February 25, 2022 #679 Share Posted February 25, 2022 By the way, this may interest those who are interested into esoteric stuff...I asked my American fb friend who reads auras (mentioned him several times on this forum as a fascinating man) about Putin and he provided me with detailed reading. If you're into it please contact me via pm, I will gladly share the insights with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coil Posted February 25, 2022 #680 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, ExpandMyMind said: That’s a disaster for Russia, whichever way you look at it. I hope you guys give them a right battering. Russia is ready to send its delegation to Minsk for negotiations with Ukraine. As you know, today the President of Ukraine Zelensky announced his readiness to discuss the neutral status of Ukraine. It looks like everyone is feeling bad, but a little earlier there was information that Russia said that negotiations would take place if Ukraine laid down its arms. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted February 25, 2022 #681 Share Posted February 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, Coil said: Russia is ready to send its delegation to Minsk for negotiations with Ukraine. As you know, today the President of Ukraine Zelensky announced his readiness to discuss the neutral status of Ukraine. It looks like everyone is feeling bad, but a little earlier there was information that Russia said that negotiations would take place if Ukraine laid down its arms. Putin just called Ukrainian army to surrender and turn against Ukrainian government. It's morbidly comical. I also think he'll take negotiators hostage if they go to Minsk, but truth be told, I am a bit paranoid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Br Cornelius Posted February 25, 2022 #682 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, spartan max2 said: Germany and others could easily send troops to Ukraine if they wanted. Blaming them not on the UK seems pretty lame. The response would of been the same with an EU army, sanctions. A European Army would have an obligation to defend European interests and that is the whole point of why missing one has serious consequences for Europe as a whole. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted February 25, 2022 #683 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Zelensky is calling for neutrality with Russia, except that Russia doesn't care about neutrality - they care about the land itself. This is not going to end well for Zelensky. He should not trust Russia one bit. Basically it will be a handshake with Russia holding a dagger behind its back. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrumanB Posted February 25, 2022 #684 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, Br Cornelius said: A European Army would have an obligation to defend European interests and that is the whole point of why missing one has serious consequences for Europe as a whole. Br Cornelius The problem with "European Army" is that it would probably contain only EU countries and Ukraine is not in European Union. Also, I hardly doubt that Europe would like to have an open war with Russia. Only USA and China can profit from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted February 25, 2022 #685 Share Posted February 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, TrumanB said: Check some of the comments: - Cini mi se da je ukrajinski oklopnjak odlucio kaznit dezerterstvo.......tako da ovo je ratna propaganda ali ne drzi vodu - Ukrajinski oklopnjak s PZO sistemom SAM 10. - Oznake na transporteru su Ukrajinske. Zanimljivo... - Zašto ne piše da je oklopnjak ukrajinski - ovo je ukrajinska protuzračna odbrana. novinar debil - Ovo nije ruski "tenk", ovo je ukrajinska 9K35 Strela-10 u panici I'm not defending Russians, I would just like to know the facts. The comments are Russian and - no offence meant for you personally - Serbian trolls. They infest our portals and spam like mad. The only solution to get rid of them is to turn the comments off. Which I did. By the way, even if the armored vehicle was Ukrainian, it would only mean the assumption that Russians have hijacked at least one Ukrainian vehicle were correct. 33 minutes ago, TrumanB said: By the way, this may interest those who are interested into esoteric stuff...I asked my American fb friend who reads auras (mentioned him several times on this forum as a fascinating man) about Putin and he provided me with detailed reading. If you're into it please contact me via pm, I will gladly share the insights with you. It's not that I'm speechless, I just decided to have mercy on you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrumanB Posted February 25, 2022 #686 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Helen of Annoy said: It's not that I'm speechless, I just decided to have mercy on you. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted February 25, 2022 #687 Share Posted February 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, TrumanB said: The problem with "European Army" is that it would probably contain only EU countries and Ukraine is not in European Union. Also, I hardly doubt that Europe would like to have an open war with Russia. Only USA and China can profit from that. Ukraine is not the last country Putin will attack. There are Russians amassing at Polish border right now, which doesn't mean it's imminent, but since it has become he's ****ing insane, he might as well attack anyone at any time. NATO has become vulnerable, because there's possibility Americans will end up with another Trump sooner or later. Etc. No one sane wants open war with anyone. But Putin is not sane and he wants war with everyone. If he was sane, then he too could understand that he'll destroy Russia. No one profits from that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrumanB Posted February 25, 2022 #688 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said: Ukraine is not the last country Putin will attack. There are Russians amassing at Polish border right now, which doesn't mean it's imminent, but since it has become he's ****ing insane, he might as well attack anyone at any time. NATO has become vulnerable, because there's possibility Americans will end up with another Trump sooner or later. Etc. No one sane wants open war with anyone. But Putin is not sane and he wants war with everyone. If he was sane, then he too could understand that he'll destroy Russia. No one profits from that. Poland is a member of NATO. Putin is not sane but he is not that crazy to start a war with a member of that organization because that leads to war with the whole NATO alliance. Putin may attack other countries but not those who are NATO members, I'm sure about that. It would lead to WW III. Putin is insane in terms on humaneness but he is far from lunatic who will do things out of whim. He is more a Stalin type of person than Hitler type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coil Posted February 25, 2022 #689 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said: Putin just called Ukrainian army to surrender and turn against Ukrainian government. It's morbidly comical. I also think he'll take negotiators hostage if they go to Minsk, but truth be told, I am a bit paranoid. I also thought that he could take Zelensky hostage, but meeting in Minsk from where the invaders attack is unreasonable. The question is how long we will hold out. And troops are being pulled to Kiev, since Zelensky said that he was the main target for Russia. If Kiev power falls, individual troops will remain without leadership. People in Kiev are handed out machine guns on the street, take them freely from the box. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coil Posted February 25, 2022 #690 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) A delegation was formed from the Russian side, all this information was brought to Ukraine. After a short pause, the Ukrainians said that they were against Minsk and wanted negotiations in Warsaw, after which they left the connection. Prior to this, Russia declared its readiness for negotiations with the Ukrainian army laying down arms. The local foreign minister, Lavrov, promised to begin negotiations immediately after the surrender. Edited February 25, 2022 by Coil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.A.T.1961 Posted February 25, 2022 #691 Share Posted February 25, 2022 UK tells China it must stand up for Ukraine's sovereignty. British foreign minister Liz Truss told her Chinese counterpart she expected Beijing to stand up for Ukraine's sovereignty. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/uk-tells-china-it-must-stand-up-ukraines-sovereignty-2022-02-25/?rpc=401& 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted February 25, 2022 #692 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Br Cornelius said: The UK was one of the main hold outs against a stronger EU foreign policy and a European Army. We would be a lot further on if the UK wasn't so obstructive on this area. Br Cornelius Thank heavens the UK did hold out against a European army. We'd still all be wondering where our breakfast is while Putin is ordering lunch. The EU is slow. And they still have a huge issue. Italy. $8Bn a year in trade with Russia while the EU has left Italy poor. Germany and France going to divi up the euros to make up the difference? The EU leaving even one member weak is a huge risk when things don't go well. Wasted efforts of the past decades mean nothing right now as the politicians were too busy trying to feather their nests and remain relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted February 25, 2022 #693 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Br Cornelius Posted February 25, 2022 #694 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: Thank heavens the UK did hold out against a European army. We'd still all be wondering where our breakfast is while Putin is ordering lunch. The EU is slow. And they still have a huge issue. Italy. $8Bn a year in trade with Russia while the EU has left Italy poor. Germany and France going to divi up the euros to make up the difference? The EU leaving even one member weak is a huge risk when things don't go well. Wasted efforts of the past decades mean nothing right now as the politicians were too busy trying to feather their nests and remain relevant. The UK has done jack **** (even its sanctions are pathetic because London is dependent on Russian money) so far and will not be sending its enfeebled army to defend Ukraine or the rest of Europe. An army has its own command and control structure and has preparedness plans for any eventuality. None of that happens without the army existing. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted February 25, 2022 #695 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) In apparent classic Russian military fashion the Russian military is targeting civilians. In Melitopol they targeted a hospital and in some other city they seemed to of targeted a kindergarten where people were taking refuge from shelling. Reported of civilian casualties are increasing rapidly the longer this war goes on. Also from early reports it seems Russia is firing on any ship near the coast of Ukraine regardless of what flags it is flying. Seems a ship from Moldova was hit by missiles. There are casualties but not clear if severely injured or killed. Edited February 25, 2022 by DarkHunter 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coil Posted February 25, 2022 #696 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Today in Nikolaev, the Yuzhnobugsky and Ingulsky bridges will be drawn up to prevent a possible invasion of Russian troops into the city. It is reported by UNN with reference to the mayor of Nikolaev Alexander Senkevich. According to Senkiewicz, bridges will be drawn up for an indefinite period. Edited February 25, 2022 by Coil 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 25, 2022 #697 Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said: The UK has done jack **** (even its sanctions are pathetic because London is dependent on Russian money) so far and will not be sending its enfeebled army to defend Ukraine or the rest of Europe. An army has its own command and control structure and has preparedness plans for any eventuality. None of that happens without the army existing. Br Cornelius No one has done jack **** dude. No one was willing to comment actual troops to help Ukraine. Europe turned it's back as much as everyone else. "A combined EU army" would still be made of of the same nations that are afraid to commit troops to defend Ukraine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud the mackem Posted February 25, 2022 #698 Share Posted February 25, 2022 16 hours ago, thedutchiedutch said: I hope "Vlad Puta" will burn in eternal hell for this. I have friends in the Ukraine and they don't deserve this. Vlad isn't going to stop here, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are next unless someone seriously draws the line here and threatens him and his people. China backing "Puta" isn't helping either. What's next? China to invade Hong Kong? Taiwan? I really think it's time for Europe to start acting like one and start putting large military units at every European/Russian border. Europeans haven't the guts ,or the equipment to start causing concern to the Russians , Germany is back pedaling at every turn and the French , are all bluff and B.S , Germany has pulled out of SWIFT in case Russia stops their gas imports , the Ukrainians are asking the U.S and Britain to come to the rescue , why ask us when the have the Europeans on their doorstep . We have had enough of helping out Euro , every time they get into trouble . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted February 25, 2022 #699 Share Posted February 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: No one has done jack **** dude. No one was willing to comment actual troops to help Ukraine. Europe turned it's back as much as everyone else. "A combined EU army" would still be made of of the same nations that are afraid to commit troops to defend Ukraine. It wasn't a problem that no one sent any troops because Ukraine did not request any foreign troops and they didn't because of implications (everyone was looking for ways to calm Putin down, foreign troops would justify his paranoid prattling as something based in reality). If it makes you feel better, sure, vent out, but it's not as simple as it may seem. I don't like this tip-toeing with sanctions. Unless it's serving some last diplomatic purpose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted February 25, 2022 #700 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) Putin will take back the land that was the Soviet Union and no one will stop him. Edited February 25, 2022 by Myles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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