Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I disagree.

It's starting to be recognized by the Biden administration and European countries that the anti-Russian sanctions are making things a lot worst. They are backfiring on us.
 

How Biden got caught in Russia's oil and gas web — and who is paying the price

''Have the crippling sanctions imposed on Russia as a response to its war of conquest in Ukraine backfired on the West? That concern is being expressed across Europe and, increasingly, it is one that President Joe Biden’s administration shares.

Bloomberg News reported last week that the White House was “initially impressed” by the impact the post-invasion sanctions regime was having on the Russian economy and by Western firms’ willingness to voluntarily divest from the Russian marketplace. But, as that story points not, not only are those sanctions “exacerbating inflation” and “punishing ordinary Russians more than Putin or his allies,” the Russian energy sector — the country’s largest revenue generator by far — hasn’t suffered much at all.''

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/biden-s-oil-gas-prices-problem-russia-ukraine-problem-n1296450

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

How long until Western citizens get tired of paying the price for the Ukainian war? Especially since we are been told that this could last for years.

Well I think that depends on how badly they don’t want to become the next victim of Russian aggression. I don’t believe you think that if Russia takes the entire Ukraine that will stop there do you?

[Black Red Devil]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

How long until Western citizens get tired of paying the price for the Ukainian war? Especially since we are been told that this could last for years.

I think people are more angry with Putin causing petrol increases and third world countries suffering because of a lack of grain etc.  If you think people's solution is to dump on the Ukraine and accept Russian aggression, I'm afraid you know little about human morals.

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

I think people are more angry with Putin causing petrol increases and third world countries suffering because of a lack of grain etc.  If you think people's solution is to dump on the Ukraine and accept Russian aggression, I'm afraid you know little about human morals.

My point exactly, he really doesn’t get at all it seems like he has a separate agenda than almost everyone else. But, he certainly welcome to his opinion no matter how strange it appears to be.

[Occult1]

46 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

I think people are more angry with Putin causing petrol increases and third world countries suffering because of a lack of grain etc.  If you think people's solution is to dump on the Ukraine and accept Russian aggression, I'm afraid you know little about human morals.

I don't buy the whole ''Russia is causing famine'' etc. They have publicly said that they are willing to open a humanitarian corridor in the Black Sea to ships carrying food to leave Ukraine, in return for the lifting of some sanctions. The only thing we have to do is swallow our pride, sit down and negotiate with them to find a diplomatic solution. Lifting some sanctions isn't going to make a huge difference anyway, since they are not working.

As for human morals, the Obama administration tried to sell us the same argument for it's proxy war in Syria (Assad the ''butcher'', ''bloody regime'' etc.) We all know how that turned out. Trump made a campaign promise to suspend the Syria budgets of the State Department and the United States Agency for International Development and ordered a withdrawal of all American forces. Long drawn-out conflicts become unpopular. I suspect the same thing will happen in Ukraine.

Edited June 21, 2022 by Occult1

[Poncho_Peanatus]

3 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

This should make the rest of the world standup and take notice, because if the Russian threat is not eliminated now any Nation that is near Russia will suffer the same fate!

Take care.

What fate are you talking about? they were supposed to take Ukraine in a couple of days, but this is resembling more and more Mussolinis Greece. The losses are to high, it will take a decade at least for Russia to replenish and reform. After Ukraine, if victorious or even partially victorious they are done.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, Poncho_Peanatus said:

What fate are you talking about? they were supposed to take Ukraine in a couple of days, but this is resembling more and more Mussolinis Greece. The losses are to high, it will take a decade at least for Russia to replenish and reform. After Ukraine, if victorious or even partially victorious they are done.

What I was alluding to is the fact that if Russia were to take the entire Ukraine that they would not stop there. That there would be a threat to any other Nation that borders Russia of that is close proximity to Russia. It’s pretty much the opinion of leaders worldwide that Putin has designs on retaking the other Nations that once made up the former Soviet Union.

The question of whether or not they are done can depend upon many factors, for instance if other countries like Belarus where to join the conflict. Being done at this point is a relative term, I hope they are set back like you are a long period of time but only time will tell fir certain.

[Black Red Devil]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I don't buy the whole ''Russia is causing famine'' etc. They have publicly said that they are willing to open a humanitarian corridor in the Black Sea to ships carrying food to leave Ukraine, in return for the lifting of some sanctions. The only thing we have to do is swallow our pride, sit down and negotiate with them to find a diplomatic solution. Lifting some sanctions isn't going to make a huge difference anyway, since they are not working.

As for human morals, the Obama administration tried to sell us the same argument for it's proxy war in Syria (Assad the ''butcher'', ''bloody regime'' etc.) We all know how that turned out. Trump made a campaign promise to suspend the Syria budgets of the State Department and the United States Agency for International Development and ordered a withdrawal of all American forces. Long drawn-out conflicts become unpopular. I suspect the same thing will happen in Ukraine.

So in your opinion Russia has the Right to 'negotiate' the embargo of ships of grain with the lifting of sanctions so it can continue it's war of aggression without consequences?  As I said, you know little about human morals. 

Also, someone who's intention is to annex territory from another country through a false flag of lies is little interested in diplomacy.  In fact Putin has rejected Zelinsky's many requests to meet.  He's not interested in what the Ukraine President wants because he retains the Ukraine Russian territory. I think he's made this pretty clear.

[Grey Area]

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I don't buy the whole ''Russia is causing famine'' etc. They have publicly said that they are willing to open a humanitarian corridor in the Black Sea to ships carrying food to leave Ukraine,

If you were a merchant navy captain, would you risk your life, and the life of your crew on a Russian promise navigating through seas with Russian subs on high alert?

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

in return for the lifting of some sanctions. The only thing we have to do is swallow our pride, sit down and negotiate with them to find a diplomatic solution.

Sounds a bit like a ransom, don’t you think?

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The only thing we have to do is swallow our pride, sit down and negotiate with them to find a diplomatic solution.

Russia has acted immorally and illegally.  This isn’t about pride.

 

2 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Lifting some sanctions isn't going to make a huge difference anyway, since they are not working.

Well they aren’t if you follow Russian reports.  The average Russian citizen might disagree.

 

3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Long drawn-out conflicts become unpopular. I suspect the same thing will happen in Ukraine.

Time will tell, but this isn’t the Middle East.  Rightly or wrongly this is a totally different kettle of fish

[ThereWeAreThen]

I've just realised, if the EU can finally get off Ruzzian oil and gas, the Orcs will have to rely on selling it to China....This could backfire on them bigtime.

[DarkHunter]

Not confirmed but there is a rumor that the Russian military has withdrawn from Kyselivka and moved to a new defensive position between the towns of Klapaya and Znamyanka.  Seems that is the last defensive line before hitting the Chornobaivka, the airport, and the outskirts of Kherson.  Going by FIRMS it seems this defensive line is being hit hard by something, either artillery or MLRS fire.  

[ThereWeAreThen]

30 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Not confirmed but there is a rumor that the Russian military has withdrawn from Kyselivka and moved to a new defensive position between the towns of Klapaya and Znamyanka.  Seems that is the last defensive line before hitting the Chornobaivka, the airport, and the outskirts of Kherson.  Going by FIRMS it seems this defensive line is being hit hard by something, either artillery or MLRS fire.  

Hope its true! I have a feeling if Ukraine manage to make it to the outskirts of Kherson, the Orcs will annex Kherson. So if Ukraine hit it as a "Russian" city Putler will use it as justification to formally declare war.

[ThereWeAreThen]

6 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

I think people are more angry with Putin causing petrol increases and third world countries suffering because of a lack of grain etc.  If you think people's solution is to dump on the Ukraine and accept Russian aggression, I'm afraid you know little about human morals.

I think oil companies are mainly to blame for petrol prices rises, they're making a **** ton of money from thsi war its disgusting. I saw somewhere that oil prices today was similar to that of 2018.

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I don't buy the whole ''Russia is causing famine'' etc. They have publicly said that they are willing to open a humanitarian corridor in the Black Sea to ships carrying food to leave Ukraine, in return for the lifting of some sanctions.

Please Occult1, please get the story straight because it must be embarrassing to read from the script your given and then find out that your information is not only in correct, but that the very people you are supporting are stealing the grain from the Ukraine and selling it to the highest bidder. Hell, they are even selling stolen grain to Turkey a NATO country ( man are they going to hit with sanctions) Anyhow my friend at least fact check your information before you post it, that would certainly be in your benefit.

The Russians have stolen 600,000 tons of grain from the Ukraine and they are shipping some of it to famine stricken countries in Africa.

In mid-May, the US sent an alert to 14 countries, mostly in Africa, that Russian cargo ships were leaving ports near Ukraine laden with the grain, the paper reported, citing a State Department cable.

Last week Ukraine's ambassador to Turkey, Vasyl Bodnar, said Russia was shipping stolen grain from Crimea, and Turkey was among the destinations. "We have made our appeal for Turkey to help us and, upon the suggestion of the Turkish side, are launching criminal cases regarding those stealing and selling the grains," Reuters quoted him as saying.

Ukraine Grain Association chief Mykola Gorbachov has warned that, if exports cannot resume from Ukraine's ports, the next harvest, starting in late July, will be severely impacted. He said Ukraine's grain exports would be limited to 20m tonnes maximum next year - via road, river and rail - whereas last year it managed to export 44.7m tonnes.

Is Russia exporting or stealing grain from Ukraine: This article was published 8 June 2022: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61736179

5 hours ago, Occult1 said:

 

The only thing we have to do is swallow our pride, sit down and negotiate with them to find a diplomatic solution. Lifting some sanctions isn't going to make a huge difference anyway, since they are not working.

You know I find it interesting that you keep using the word WE, and I don’t understand why you use that word. Because their is no we, it’s the free world and since you support the Russians, you and them. The only reason I can think of that you say We, Swallow our pride, and anything else along those lines is because of the effect it’s can have on weak minds, it’s a typical ploy when spreading disinformation and propaganda. Throughout my military career I have seen this all before, so my friend this is nothing knew for me and when I this used in the future I will also make everyone aware of it, so all I say is do your best! 

5 hours ago, Occult1 said:

As for human morals, the Obama administration tried to sell us the same argument for it's proxy war in Syria (Assad the ''butcher'', ''bloody regime'' etc.) We all know how that turned out. Trump made a campaign promise to suspend the Syria budgets of the State Department and the United States Agency for International Development and ordered a withdrawal of all American forces. Long drawn-out conflicts become unpopular. I suspect the same thing will happen in Ukraine.

So now your also pushing the Russians line that Assad is not how he is portrayed. Before you go any farther please stop with that completely false nonsense. I was sent to Syria in 2017, working as US Government Contractor, along with two of my teams to assist with the investigation that proves that on two occasions that your hero Assad used Chemical Weapons against civilian targets. The Chemical Agent was Sarin which is a non-persistent nerve agent, after the investigation was completely the results were sent to the International Criminal Court ICC at The Hague and Syria and Assad were found guilty of War Crimes as outlined in the report below:

Crossing the red line: The use of chemical weapons in Syria and what should happen now

“”Dr Yasmin Naqvi is an international lawyer currently serving as Legal Officer in the Immediate Office of the Registrar of the International Residual Mechanism for Criminal Tribunals. She previously worked for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, the International Criminal Court, the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Graduate Institute of International Studies, and the International Committee of the Red Cross. Dr Naqvi holds a PhD and a Master’s degree in public international law from the Graduate Institute of International Studies, Geneva, and BA and LLB (Honours) degrees from the University of Tasmania, Australia. She is a legal practitioner of the Supreme Court of Tasmania.””

The use of chemical weapons in the armed conflict in Syria has attracted universal and widespread condemnation and has led to unified responses by various international bodies. This article examines the international community’s responses to chemical weapons use in Syria from the perspective of international law. It also analyzes the potential options for accountability that are available for chemical weapons-related crimes. The intention is ultimately to make the case that the special status the international community has ascribed to chemical weapons crimes could be harnessed to create an accountability mechanism, such as an ad hoc tribunal, that could help pave the complex road towards a negotiated peace.

https://international-review.icrc.org/sites/default/files/906_7.pdf

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

I don't buy the whole ''Russia is causing famine'' etc. They have publicly said that they are willing to open a humanitarian corridor in the Black Sea to ships carrying food to leave Ukraine, in return for the lifting of some sanctions. The only thing we have to do is swallow our pride, sit down and negotiate with them to find a diplomatic solution. Lifting some sanctions isn't going to make a huge difference anyway, since they are not working.

 

6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

As for human morals, the Obama administration tried to sell us the same argument for it's proxy war in Syria (Assad the ''butcher'', ''bloody regime'' etc.

Wow you have gotten me on a Syria kick with you comments above, here is a document that is for public release from my own records on the subject of Syrian Chemical Weapons use, which includes the use of Chlorine Barrel Bombs, Non-Persistent Nerve Agent ( Sarin ) and the unproven but likely use of T-2 Toxin  ( MYCOTOXIN developed by Russia). Now this toxin is considered a Biological Agent by the entire scientific community, the only Nation that considers it a Chemical Agent is again Russia.

ORGANISATION FOR THE PROHIBITION OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS: OPCW
The Chemical Weapons Convention 1997-2017:
Progress, Challenges and Reinforcing the Global Norm against Chemical Weapons

https://www.opcw.org/sites/default/files/documents/ODG/uzumcu/Speech_washington_forum_june_2017_final.pdf

 

6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

 

We all know how that turned out. Trump made a campaign promise to suspend the Syria budgets of the State Department and the United States Agency for International Development and ordered a withdrawal of all American forces. Long drawn-out conflicts become unpopular. I suspect the same thing will happen in Ukraine.

 

[Trelane]

The losses are mounting and it can't be denied or ignored.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/17/russia-has-strategically-lost-war-declares-uk-admiral-as-lavrov-says-no-shame-in-war-crimes

"Admiral Sir Tony Radakin (UK Defence Chief) said Russia was suffering heavy losses for marginal gains and would emerge from the conflict a “more diminished power” while bolstering NATO. “Putin has used about 25% of his army’s power to gain a tiny amount of territory and 50,000 people either dead or injured,” he said."

[ThereWeAreThen]

5 minutes ago, Trelane said:

The losses are mounting and it can't be denied or ignored.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/17/russia-has-strategically-lost-war-declares-uk-admiral-as-lavrov-says-no-shame-in-war-crimes

"Admiral Sir Tony Radakin (UK Defence Chief) said Russia was suffering heavy losses for marginal gains and would emerge from the conflict a “more diminished power” while bolstering NATO. “Putin has used about 25% of his army’s power to gain a tiny amount of territory and 50,000 people either dead or injured,” he said."

But but but Cookie Monster said they have the 2nd most powerful military in the world so this cant be true!

[+Nuclear Wessel]

15 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

But but but Cookie Monster said they have the 2nd most powerful military in the world so this cant be true!

With Cold War-era tech, that's laughable.

[ThereWeAreThen]

2 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

With Cold War-era tech, that's laughable.

They reckon they've used 1000s of 1000s of cruise missiles on Ukrainian town and cities and yet Ukraine are still fighting!! How would they fare against NATO? 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Just now, ThereWeAreThen said:

They reckon they've used 1000s of 1000s of cruise missiles on Ukrainian town and cities and yet Ukraine are still fighting!! How would they fare against NATO? 

Probably as well as an army of ants on a bright, sunny day against a kid with a magnifying glass.

[Black Red Devil]

3 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

I think oil companies are mainly to blame for petrol prices rises, they're making a **** ton of money from thsi war its disgusting. I saw somewhere that oil prices today was similar to that of 2018.

OPEC regulates world oil prices.  Russia is a member of OPEC plus and has certain production agreements with OPEC (at the moment).  Because of sanctions they are exporting less oil which means other countries have to produce more to fulfill, at least partially, the vacuum this has created and this is the reason prices have gone up. But I'm sure oil companies at the bowser's are also taking advantage of the situation.

[Silver]

These will help:

 

[Silver]

1 hour ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

But but but Cookie Monster said they have the 2nd most powerful military in the world so this cant be true!

He must mean the second most powerful military in Ukraine, but as I pointed out before, this doesn't take into account the farmers with their tractors. 

[Trelane]

7 minutes ago, The Silver Shroud said:

These will help:

 

S*** is about to get real for the Russian forces.

These artillery units along with MLRS systems will pulverize their tank columns. I only wish some A-10's had been allocated as well. 

[Silver]

On 6/19/2022 at 7:25 PM, Nuclear Wessel said:

Why would he say that about Poland? Are there talks about Poland pushing into Western Ukraine? 

Poland is preparing in case Russian tanks invade:

 

[Helen of Annoy]

Just ignore me, guys, DarkHunter mentioned Chornobaivka and so I simply have to post this. 

Chornobaivka super hit