Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[el midgetron]

 

 

 

[Helen of Annoy]

29 minutes ago, The Silver Shroud said:

A good point, but I think for propanganda purposes they want the enemy to know they are being supported by NATO. This is a result the Ukrainians want :

 

Ukraine does want Ruzzia to know that Ukraine has NATO support, that should be advertised, but with proper caution with possibly classified details. 

I'm so very impressed with the way Ukraine is very successfully balancing the need to classify and the need to keep honestly informing both their own population and the world. 

 

[el midgetron]

Russia appears to have dealt Ukraine a significant setback in the battle for the country’s east, breaking through the defenses around a key city and opening the possibility that Kyiv’s troops in the area could be surrounded. 

In recent days, Russian forces have gained ground around Lysychansk, according to Ukrainian officials and Western military analysts, closing in on that city while fighting for full control of its battle-scarred twin, Sievierodonetsk. 

The advance puts Russia in sight of capturing or surrounding the last two holdout cities in the Luhansk province, which together with the neighboring Donetsk form the eastern industrial region of the Donbas that has become the focal point of the war.
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-advances-lysychansk-ukraine-donbas-setback-rcna34695?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_nw

[Occult1]

Separatists claim to have advanced on Hirske, Luhansk

STORY: One of the men shown, alleged to be a commander, said his separatist forces were trying to ensnare Ukrainian troops in the region.

"We will continue to make inroads into their lines to encircle them fully and, I think, if they're not idiots, they will surrender," one unnamed military person was shown saying in the footage.

[...]

Hirske is a small town to the south of Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk, two cities where an intense battle between the pro-Russian and Ukrainian forces has been reported for weeks.

https://news.yahoo.com/separatists-claim-advanced-hirske-luhansk-135527840.html

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Russian and Russian proxy forces in the Donetsk region of Ukraine have suffered heavy casualties, according to UK intelligence officials.

They estimate the Donetsk militia alone has lost 55% of its original force.

Russian forces are focused on conquering all of neighbouring Luhansk, aiming to encircle the city of Lysychansk, say Ukrainian leaders.

Regional chief Serhiy Haidai said there had been "colossal destruction" in the city.

He said the situation in its sister city of Severodonetsk was "hell", and quoted the mayor as saying some 7,000-8,000 civilians remained there.

UK military intelligence said Russia was very likely aiming to deploy a large number of reserve units to Ukraine's eastern Donbas, which is made up of Donetsk and Luhansk.

Source: Half Russian separatist force dead or wounded - UK - BBC News

 

[Trelane]

13 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Even if what you say it's true, Russia is used to long-drawn conflicts. I will go as far as to claim that it's probably what they intended.

-Soviet–Afghan War  (1979-1989),

- The second Chechen war (1999-2009)

- Insurgency in the North Caucasus (2009-2017)

- Russian military intervention in Syria (2015-present)

- Ukraine (2014-present)

In all cases, except the Soviet war in Afghanistan (but then the U.S. suffered a similar fate), they have come out on top.

Used to mostly losing those campaigns or not fully achieving initial mission directives. Swing and a miss on that one.

Things are looking worse and worse and new updates are being released;

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-russia-war-over-half-of-dpr-troops-killed-or-injured-uk-intel/ar-AAYIQpL?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=bd9e66dbad4b4e44ba3e0e1e1be4d326

 

 

 

[Trelane]

1 hour ago, el midgetron said:

 

 

 

Irrelevant to this particular thread my friend.

Feel free to start a separate post to discuss that angle.

[Silver]

Finland ‘ready to fight Russia if attacked’

Finland’s armed forces chief, Gen Timo Kivinen, said his country was prepared for a Russian attack and would put up stiff resistance in the event that one should occur.

Russia-Ukraine war: Finland ready to fight if attacked, says general; drone causes explosion at Russian oil refinery – live (theguardian.com)

Edited June 22, 2022 by The Silver Shroud

[spud the mackem]

On 6/16/2022 at 6:29 PM, Occult1 said:

Severodonetsk is only a matter of time. Latest reports are that Russia controls 80% of the city, all urban areas are cleared and the last Ukrainian defenders have retreated to the industrial area with the Azot chemical plant packed full of innocent civilians with them.  Russia can't just storm the whole area. The situation is very similar to Mariupol. A siege will be imposed and the Ukrainian troops will eventually surrender.

Is your name Sergie Lavrov ,,who stands in front of world T.V. cameras and blatantly issues spectacular statements ,non of which have a grain of truth, this guy looks really miserable as he has obviously been told what to say by Putin or the Kremlin . He reminds me of Tariq Ali , Saddam's spokes person who stood in the street telling the world that Saddam was winning when American troops and Vehicles were going past him . 3 sad people ,the above and You .

[Trelane]

21 minutes ago, spud the mackem said:

Is your name Sergie Lavrov ,,who stands in front of world T.V. cameras and blatantly issues spectacular statements ,non of which have a grain of truth, this guy looks really miserable as he has obviously been told what to say by Putin or the Kremlin . He reminds me of Tariq Ali , Saddam's spokes person who stood in the street telling the world that Saddam was winning when American troops and Vehicles were going past him . 3 sad people ,the above and You .

Oh yes, yes indeed! Almost beat for beat as 'ol Tariq Aziz.

I think it was either 1st CAV or 4th ID that blew past him when they took Baghdad.

[Occult1]

1 hour ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Russian and Russian proxy forces in the Donetsk region of Ukraine have suffered heavy casualties, according to UK intelligence officials.

They estimate the Donetsk militia alone has lost 55% of its original force.

Russian forces are focused on conquering all of neighbouring Luhansk, aiming to encircle the city of Lysychansk, say Ukrainian leaders.

Regional chief Serhiy Haidai said there had been "colossal destruction" in the city.

He said the situation in its sister city of Severodonetsk was "hell", and quoted the mayor as saying some 7,000-8,000 civilians remained there.

UK military intelligence said Russia was very likely aiming to deploy a large number of reserve units to Ukraine's eastern Donbas, which is made up of Donetsk and Luhansk.

Source: Half Russian separatist force dead or wounded - UK - BBC News

 

Casualties on the Russian side are high but it does not even compare to Ukraine's. They are suffering a tremendous amount of losses in eastern Ukraine. That's not sustainable.

 

Ukraine’s high casualty rate could bring war to tipping point

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/ukraine-casualty-rate-russia-war-tipping-point

 

Ukraine suffering up to 1,000 casualties per day in Donbas, official says

https://www.axios.com/2022/06/15/ukraine-1000-casualties-day-donbas-arakhamia

 

Top U.S. General Reveals Grim Assessment of Ukraine’s Battlefield Deaths

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2022-06-15/top-u-s-general-reveals-grim-assessment-of-ukraines-battlefield-deaths

 

I think we need to realize that the outcome of this war is already determined.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

20 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Casualties on the Russian side are high but it does not even compare to Ukraine's. They are suffering a tremendous amount of losses in eastern Ukraine. That's not sustainable.

 

Ukraine’s high casualty rate could bring war to tipping point

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/ukraine-casualty-rate-russia-war-tipping-point

 

Ukraine suffering up to 1,000 casualties per day in Donbas, official says

https://www.axios.com/2022/06/15/ukraine-1000-casualties-day-donbas-arakhamia

Your pro-Russian predisposition does not allow you to see that the 1000 troops/day figure could just be an exaggeration so that they receive shipments of weapons and other types of aid more quickly.

I understand that you desperately want the "neo-Nazi government in Ukraine to surrender" (as you eloquently put it on February 24th - hey, your words, not mine), but it is not going to be so simple.

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I think we need to realize that the outcome of this war is already determined.

"The outcome" being what, exactly? Ukraine losing against Russia? I know you want that to be realized.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Nuclear Wessel

[Knob Oddy]

7 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said:

DPR suffers 55% losses! And Russian losses likely to be the same! Due to the courage and tenacity of the Ukrainian defenders, who are having to endure terrible shelling.

 

Hahaha, is that the real MoD twitter account? LGBT flag in the profile picture, with #standwithukraine and the Ukrainian flag.

I mean, you can't support homosexuality and homophobia at the same time. Actually, apparently you can

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Ukraine

[Helen of Annoy]

26 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

the 1000 troops/day figure could just be an exaggeration so that they receive shipments of weapons and other types of aid more quickly.

 Also, the 1000 per day figure was officially retracted. (It seems the official who was the source of such estimation wasn't privy to that particular type of information.) 

 

 

[el midgetron]

The Biden administration is holding internal discussions about asking the Ukrainian government to step back from its firm stance against ceding territory to Russia in eventual peace talks, NBC reported today, citing seven U.S., European, and former U.S. officials.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/u-s-discussing-whether-to-ask-ukraine-to-dial-back-war-aims-nbc/

Another Way to Help Ukraine: Prepare Now for a Peace Process

https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/06/another-way-help-ukraine-prepare-now-peace-process
 

But there are signs of frustration and impatience, as the war grinds through its fourth month. While it’s far too early to speak of a fissuring coalition, there is evidence not all the allies are singing from the same hymnal. And Russian President Vladimir Putin has bet that his people can outlast the West.

It’s too soon to know whether he’s right. But a new poll of European populations shows rising anxiety and impatience about the conflict and, in particular, its economic repercussions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/16/us-support-ukraine-test-is-coming/

[Occult1]

39 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Your pro-Russian predisposition does not allow you to see that the 1000 troops/day figure could just be an exaggeration so that they receive shipments of weapons and other types of aid more quickly.

The tremendous amount of losses on the Ukrainian side has been confirmed by the U.S. military.

 

''The top U.S. military officer on Wednesday confirmed staggering statistics of the Ukrainian military’s battlefield losses as their war with Russia devolves into a grinding, one-sided artillery battle in the country’s east.

Speaking alongside Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in Brussels after meeting with allies involved in supporting Ukraine, Gen. Mark Milley said public assessments that as many as 200 Ukrainians soldiers are dying every day match the American military’s understanding of the battlefield carnage.''

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2022-06-15/top-u-s-general-reveals-grim-assessment-of-ukraines-battlefield-deaths

 

The need more heavy weapons quickly because they are getting annihilated by the superior Russian firepower. There is really no other explanation.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Occult1

[+Nuclear Wessel]

17 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

The tremendous amount of losses on the Ukrainian side has been confirmed by the U.S. military.

 

''The top U.S. military officer on Wednesday confirmed staggering statistics of the Ukrainian military’s battlefield losses as their war with Russia devolves into a grinding, one-sided artillery battle in the country’s east.

Speaking alongside Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in Brussels after meeting with allies involved in supporting Ukraine, Gen. Mark Milley said public assessments that as many as 200 Ukrainians soldiers are dying every day match the American military’s understanding of the battlefield carnage.''

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2022-06-15/top-u-s-general-reveals-grim-assessment-of-ukraines-battlefield-deaths

The need heavy weapons quickly because they are getting annihilated. There is really no other explication.

So the tremendous losses which was originally 1000 is now confirmed to be between 200 - 300 a day, and not the 1000/day that was originally cited.

Would you do the honors of clicking here and telling me the number of Russian soldiers that are dying, per day, on average? Considering you are not pro-Russian, you also shouldn't have any issue with citing all of the other assets that Russia has lost, either.

If Ukrainians are getting annihilated, Russia, too, is being annihilated.

Please. Go on and tell me how many Russian soldiers are dying, per day, according to that link I provided.

All those Orcs dying on a daily basis is why they are having such trouble taking Severodonetsk, after almost four months of fighting for it. lmao

Edited June 22, 2022 by Nuclear Wessel

[el midgetron]

20 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The tremendous amount of losses on the Ukrainian side has been confirmed by the U.S. military.

It’s been confirmed by Ukraine as well.

Denys Sharapov, Ukraine’s deputy minister of the defense in charge of procurement, support for weapons and equipment, and Brig. Gen. Volodymyr Karpenko, land forces command logistics commander, spoke with National Defense Editor in Chief Stew Magnuson and other reporters through an interpreter in the Ukraine Ministry of Defense’s booth at the Eurosatory conference in Paris on June 15…..

….We have received a large number of weapon systems, but unfortunately with such a massively expendable resource, it only covers 10 to 15 percent of our needs. We need artillery, we need artillery rounds, infantry fighting vehicles, combat vehicles, tanks. We really need air-defense systems and the multiple launch rocket system…..

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/6/15/ukraine-to-us-defense-industry-we-need-long-range-precision-weapons

https://ukrainetoday.org/2022/06/17/the-ministry-of-defense-for-the-first-time-reported-the-losses-of-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-in-equipment-during-the-war/

[Helen of Annoy]

Some pro-Putler patients can't understand what context means and why it matters. *shrugs* 

 

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3512872-ukraines-armed-forces-repel-assault-in-novobakhmutivka-area-battle-of-sievierodonetsk-ongoing.html

The Ukrainian defenders repelled the enemy assault in the area of Novobakhmutivka, Donetsk region, making the Russian troops to retreat. The battle of Sievierodonetsk, Luhansk region, continues.

[el midgetron]

4 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

So the tremendous losses which was originally 1000 is now confirmed to be between 200 - 300 a day, and not the 1000/day that was originally cited.

Would you do the honors of clicking here and telling me the number of Russian soldiers that are dying, per day, on average? Considering you are not pro-Russian, you also shouldn't have any issue with citing all of the other assets that Russia has lost, either.

If Ukrainians are getting annihilated, Russia, too, is being annihilated.

Please. Go on and tell me how many Russian soldiers are dying, per day, according to that link I provided.

So they are both suffering heavy loses? But Russia isn’t completely dependent on billions in foreign aid which is currently only covering 15% of its needs. Ukraine is. 

[Helen of Annoy]

Donetsk separatist TV is off the air, because for some reason their TV tower looks like it suffered significant physical damage. 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

4 hours ago, el midgetron said:

So they are both suffering heavy loses?

Sure, but this should be a cakewalk for Russia, as they are the "2nd most powerful military in the world", according to Occult1.

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But Russia isn’t completely dependent on billions in foreign aid which is currently only covering 15% of its needs. Ukraine is. 

So a country that is relying on foreign aid that is "only covering 15% of its needs" is making the second most powerful military in the world suffer from an equal amount of losses? WOW!

 

Edited June 22, 2022 by Tiggs
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[+Nuclear Wessel]

@Occult1

It's interesting (and sad because it's obvious you have the hots for Daddy Vladdy) that you edited your original statement

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because they are getting annihilated.

to this

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because they are getting annihilated by the superior Russian firepower

Come on, Occult. Really? Pathetic lmao.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Tiggs
Corrected username spelling

[el midgetron]

4 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Sure, but this should be a cakewalk for Russia, as they are the "2nd most powerful military in the world", according to Occult1.

So a country that is relying on foreign aid that is "only covering 15% of its needs" is making the second most powerful military in the world suffer from an equal amount of losses? WOW!

Apparently. For now, 

Edited June 22, 2022 by Tiggs
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[+Nuclear Wessel]

Just now, el midgetron said:

Apparently. For now, 

Right! Until they get even MORE aid! Imagine if they had 100% of what they asked for!