Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Buzz_Light_Year]

8 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

No one has done jack **** dude. 

No one was willing to comment actual troops to help Ukraine.

Europe turned it's back as much as everyone else. "A combined EU army" would still be made of of the same nations that are afraid to commit troops to defend Ukraine.

Yeah it's in the best interest of the EU and NATO to defend Ukraine but the long range ramification is another global war and nobody wants that except maybe Putin and XI. The lack of committing to Ukraine is well founded on the inevitability of a global conflict.

If another war breaks out in Europe then China will take Taiwan and possibly all of Southeast Asia.

JMO

[Helen of Annoy]

1 minute ago, Myles said:

Putin will take back the land that was Russia and no one will stop him.  

Are you an American? 

[+Hammerclaw]

 

[Myles]

2 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Are you an American? 

Yep.   I think Putin will take the land that was the Soviet Union years ago.   It doesn't seem like any countries will stop him.  He'll have Kyiv tonight or tomorrow.  

[DarkHunter]

Reports of Russian troops roaming the streets and woods just north of Kiev firing on Ukranian civilians.  Might as well add in yet another war crime.

[Helen of Annoy]

1 minute ago, Myles said:

Yep.   I think Putin will take the land that was the Soviet Union years ago.   It doesn't seem like any countries will stop him.  He'll have Kyiv tonight or tomorrow.  

Tell me, who told you Ukraine was Russia? 

I see you corrected that into Soviet Union, but your first post clearly states you think Ukraine was Russia. 

 

So, please elaborate a little. Is that taught in American schools, maybe? Or you heard that somewhere? Or it's your personal opinion? Based on which facts found where? 

Tell me more about that Ukraine being Russia in your opinion. 

[Only_]

2 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Germany and others could easily send troops to Ukraine if they wanted. Blaming them not on the UK seems pretty lame. 

The response would of been the same with an EU army, sanctions. 

Do you want to start WW3 over Ukraine? I don't.

If Germany or any other European country gets attacked by Russian forces in Ukraine, allies have no choice to intervene as well.

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by Only_

[Myles]

2 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Tell me, who told you Ukraine was Russia? 

I see you corrected that into Soviet Union, but your first post clearly states you think Ukraine was Russia. 

 

So, please elaborate a little. Is that taught in American schools, maybe? Or you heard that somewhere? Or it's your personal opinion? Based on which facts found where? 

Tell me more about that Ukraine being Russia in your opinion. 

I was mistaken when I said Russia.   The Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union till 1991 (I think).  But soon it will be Russia.   I don't know about Belarus.   They strongly support Putin so he may leave them alone.   

[+Nuclear Wessel]

3 minutes ago, Myles said:

I don't know about Belarus.

I do - Belarus and Russia recently strengthened their "Union State" and even supported Russia militarily, so it's obvious that they will be assimilated into the USSR.

Ukraine is going to be assimilated (with or without Ukraine's neutrality), then probably Moldova.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

44 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

The UK has done jack **** (even its sanctions are pathetic because London is dependent on Russian money) so far and will not be sending its enfeebled army to defend Ukraine or the rest of Europe. An army has its own command and control structure and has preparedness plans for any eventuality. None of that happens without the army existing.

Br Cornelius

I've just heard, Germany and Italy have voted against sanctions on Russia surrounding Swift payments as they are worried how it'll affect them. 

And you want a single entity army????

The EU sucks balls.

UK seizes billions, US seizes trillions. Banks stopped, individuals assets frozen... EU, please Mr Putin don't stop our gas supply.

The EU is morally bankrupt.

[spud the mackem]

4 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I do - Belarus and Russia recently strengthened their "Union State" and even supported Russia militarily, so it's obvious that they will be assimilated into the USSR.

Ukraine is going to be assimilated (with or without Ukraine's neutrality), then probably Moldova.

Serbia is also supporting the Russians ,so I've read . If Ukraine surrenders ( which I hope not ) then Putin will go into any other Country not associated with N.A.T.O.  as his mission is to re create another Russian Empire , 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

1 minute ago, spud the mackem said:

Serbia is also supporting the Russians ,so I've read . If Ukraine surrenders ( which I hope not ) then Putin will go into any other Country not associated with N.A.T.O.  as his mission is to re create another Russian Empire , 

Zelensky will be killed if he surrenders, IMO.

[spud the mackem]

2 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Zelensky will be killed if he surrenders, IMO.

If you are right all other Presidents of surrounding Countries will be having nightmares , when Putin decides to take them into his care . Ukraine should start using Guerilla warfare against Russia , that's how the Afghanies chucked them out a few years ago , and also how the U.S was chucked out of Vietnam .

[+Hammerclaw]

30 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Tell me, who told you Ukraine was Russia? 

I see you corrected that into Soviet Union, but your first post clearly states you think Ukraine was Russia. 

 

So, please elaborate a little. Is that taught in American schools, maybe? Or you heard that somewhere? Or it's your personal opinion? Based on which facts found where? 

Tell me more about that Ukraine being Russia in your opinion. 

You're absolutely correct, Helen. During the Cold War, Americans in particular, perceived the USSR as a single monolithic entity and made no distinction between its members and the whole. Ukraine, or, The Ukraine, in particular, was thought of as a region and a part of Russia, by right of conquest, where millions of Russians lived and where Russian was the lingua franca of its disparate peoples.

[spartan max2]

52 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

It wasn't a problem that no one sent any troops because Ukraine did not request any foreign troops and they didn't because of implications (everyone was looking for ways to calm Putin down, foreign troops would justify his paranoid prattling as something based in reality). 

 

If it makes you feel better, sure, vent out, but it's not as simple as it may seem. 

 

I don't like this tip-toeing with sanctions. Unless it's serving some last diplomatic purpose.  

I'm just some random guy so I'm sure I don't have all the information but it seems silly to me that anyone actually believed they could appease Putin. 

Appeasement didn't stop him from taking Georgia or Crimea. 

[spartan max2]

43 minutes ago, Only_ said:

Do you want to start WW3 over Ukraine? I don't.

If Germany or any other European country gets attacked by Russian forces in Ukraine, allies have no choice to intervene as well.

 

Strength would deter him. Not cause a nuclear exchange.

Otherwise if we are not going to fight to deter him than we shouldn't waste time caring or giving weapons.

Give him the green light for all the post soviet nations. 

Which ally are going to fight for? Germany? So all the other nations are not important ?

It's all arbitrary. Putin like all bullies will go as far as he can before he runs into something stronger 

Edited February 25, 2022 by spartan max2

[spartan max2]

57 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Yeah it's in the best interest of the EU and NATO to defend Ukraine but the long range ramification is another global war and nobody wants that except maybe Putin and XI. The lack of committing to Ukraine is well founded on the inevitability of a global conflict.

If another war breaks out in Europe then China will take Taiwan and possibly all of Southeast Asia.

JMO

China will take Taiwan the same way Putin takes Ukraine because people we have the same argument about not wanting WW3.

Bullies will conquer as much as they can until they actually have to fight something of equal strength. 

[odas]

24 minutes ago, spud the mackem said:

Serbia is also supporting the Russians ,so I've read . If Ukraine surrenders ( which I hope not ) then Putin will go into any other Country not associated with N.A.T.O.  as his mission is to re create another Russian Empire , 

Looks like the Serbian president Vucic is still thinking what to do. The more radical Dacic is on board with Russia, no suprise there. We will know more in a few hours.

In Bosnia, the Croats and Bosniaks are finally on the same page again, condeming Putin and supporting Ukraine. The third goof from the joint Presidency of the bosnian-serb side, Dodik, has already declared his support for Russia. Bosnia is not a Nato member but on" the doorsteps" as a candidate.

Also, the Croatian President Milanovic and prime minister Plenkovic are also on the same page again, supporting Ukraine and the integrity of neighbouring Bosnia.

 

[ExpandMyMind]

41 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

I've just heard, Germany and Italy have voted against sanctions on Russia surrounding Swift payments as they are worried how it'll affect them. 

And you want a single entity army????

The EU sucks balls.

UK seizes billions, US seizes trillions. Banks stopped, individuals assets frozen... EU, please Mr Putin don't stop our gas supply.

The EU is morally bankrupt.

I mean, it is winter. I’m disappointed but not exactly unsympathetic.

[odas]

10 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

China will take Taiwan the same way Putin takes Ukraine because people we have the same argument about not wanting WW3.

Bullies will conquer as much as they can until they actually have to fight something of equal strength. 

You are right 100%. The way the world has reacted to the russian invasion and slaughter in Ukraine will give China a green light to do the same in Taiwan.

[TrumanB]

45 minutes ago, spud the mackem said:

Serbia is also supporting the Russians ,so I've read . If Ukraine surrenders ( which I hope not ) then Putin will go into any other Country not associated with N.A.T.O.  as his mission is to re create another Russian Empire , 

Serbian government is not supporting Russia, Vučić said that we support territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine. On the other hand he doesn't dare to sanction Russia as it would consequent with higher gas price and maybe some other things. 

Edited February 25, 2022 by TrumanB

[Only_]

30 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Strength would deter him. Not cause a nuclear exchange.

Not really.

Putin is hell-bent on regime change in Ukraine. Us intervening in that conflict can only end up in massive conflagrations.

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Otherwise if we are not going to fight to deter him than we shouldn't waste time caring or giving weapons.

If international economic sanctions did not deter Putin, than what will? Unless you want to start a war with Russia, it's unwise to consider a military intervention in that conflict.

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Give him the green light for all the post soviet nations. 

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Georgia are all under NATO's charter.

That's where the United States and Europe seem to draw the line. Putin will not go there if he's smart enough. But we cannot prevent him from invading Ukraine.

Edited February 25, 2022 by Only_

[odas]

2 minutes ago, TrumanB said:

Serbian government is not supporting Russia, Vučić said that we support Ukrainian independence. On the other hand he doesn't dare to sanction Russia as it would consequent with higher gas price and maybe some other things. 

Yes, not an easy call for Vucic. Serbia is very close to join the EU. Vucic has done good so far for Serbia and a bad call will shut the EU doors. Hope nothing happens in ex yu. I am tired of the hate and wars.

[TrumanB]

9 minutes ago, odas said:

Yes, not an easy call for Vucic. Serbia is very close to join the EU. Vucic has done good so far for Serbia and a bad call will shut the EU doors. Hope nothing happens in ex yu. I am tired of the hate and wars.

Ahahaha my friend, I wish that you are right. Serbia is FAR from EU and there is more than one reason for that but that's not a topic. Personally, I would like that we sanction Russia and finally distance from them but in real-world politics this may not be the best moment. If EU forgets about us in next period that would be the best.

Edited February 25, 2022 by TrumanB

[Helen of Annoy]

27 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

I'm just some random guy so I'm sure I don't have all the information but it seems silly to me that anyone actually believed they could appease Putin. 

Appeasement didn't stop him from taking Georgia or Crimea. 

It wasn't an appeasement - it was not sending NATO troops into non-NATO country that did not request NATO troops. 

Appeasement is when people say Ukraine should be left alone because they can't profit from helping them.