Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Helen of Annoy]

2 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The thought of WW3 fills me with a certain kind of morbid curiosity.

I just hope God has me on the survivor list, a non-irradiated survivor. I dont want to be no ghoul (see Fallout 3).

According to 1960's-1980's theories, yes, you will definitely survive. 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

27 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The thought of WW3 fills me with a certain kind of morbid curiosity.

I've gotten that impression, and I get the impression that you actually want it to happen just to see what it would be like. You become quite giddy when tensions begin to escalate.

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I just hope God has me on the survivor list, a non-irradiated survivor. I dont want to be no ghoul (see Fallout 3).

The probability of you surviving, realistically, is quite high. The question shouldn't be "will I survive?", the question should be "for how long will I survive?", which is an entirely different kettle of fish that depends on a number of factors that aren't accounted for in surviving the initial blast. If you think you'll survive long, just remind yourself that everybody thinks that, but not everybody has what it takes.

[Cookie Monster]

7 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I've gotten that impression, and I get the impression that you actually want it to happen just to see what it would be like. You become quite giddy when tensions begin to escalate.

The probability of you surviving, realistically, is quite high. The question shouldn't be "will I survive?", the question should be "for how long will I survive?", which is an entirely different kettle of fish that depends on a number of factors that aren't accounted for in surviving the initial blast. If you think you'll survive long, just remind yourself that everybody thinks that, but not everybody has what it takes.

I do, I admit it, WW3 excites me, and I dont know why.

I suspect there will be a strange sense of awe and wonderment at the utter devastation. It will have a strange magnificence (so long as I survive). I already have my survival plan. I know I only have to keep 200 metres away from fallout, I can even tell the yield of bombs and who nuked us from the length of time the flash lasts.

Now I get the urge to go watch some Darleks.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Cookie Monster

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

I think we're at war aswell, personally I think it started a while ago just at an economic and cyber warfare level. Putler invading Ukraine is a game changed, hes holding those who rely on Ukraine food imports to ransom, turning the taps off against Europe (Europe should've acted faster) and well NATO weaponry is vaporising his orcish army. Ukraine need ALOT more weapons. 

Regards to European militaries, its frustrating. But I think if they were serious enough bout it they could start mass producing weapons again and they should. Some of it to go to Ukraine the rest for NATO troops incase the proverbial hits the fan, which it may do!

The bolded part? I'll always see myself as European. 

I would like you even if you were Martian  but I'm very glad that you are not letting your European family go.   

 

Yes, Europe should have acted faster. NATO should have closed Ukrainian sky.

2014 sanctions should have been drastic, Russia also kicked out any UN council, out of any sport event, out of everything. Ukraine should have been invited immediately in NATO, because Russia wiped its behind with Budapest Memorandum in particularly uncivilized manner. 

But that's in my opinion. I'm aware we (the public) have got only a fragment of information needed to make such decisions. And we are not under pressure of responsibility to ensure our countries will keep on functioning, preferably in profitable manner. 

There's also that ritual appeal for peace period that had to be done - without that, pro-Russians would scream that the swift western reaction is the cause of war (they would ignore the fact that they started it) that could have been avoided if only that poor, lovely Russia was given a chance. And it would sound plausible for an average person who still needs even more time to realize that yes, it really is reality. Russia is attacking. 

Now we've through that initial stuff. 

 

While I was typing this, one more dead body was retrieved from the burning rubble of Kremenchuk mall. 

Nine people were killed today in Lysychansk, in Russian MLRS attack, while collecting water. 

Survivors testify of Russians torturing Ukrainian civilians in occupied territories.  

 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Apparently there has been a string of strikes on civilians, in different areas of Ukraine.

Russian shelling kills five civilians in Kharkiv: Regional governor

Russian shelling in the city of Kharkiv, northeast Ukraine has killed five people and wounded 22, including five children, the regional governor has said.

There was no immediate comment from Russia, which denies targeting civilians.

Eight killed, 21 wounded in Russian missile attack on Lysychansk: Local governor

At least eight civilians have been killed and 21 wounded in a Russian missile attack on Lysychansk, Serhiy Haidai, governor of the Luhansk region, has said on the Telegram messaging app.

Missile hits Kremenchuk shopping mall

At least 11 people are killed and 50 others wounded in a Russian missile strike on a shopping mall in central Ukraine, the regional governor says.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/27/russia-ukraine-live-news-kyiv-asks-for-modern-air-defence-system-liveblog

 

[Helen of Annoy]

 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

21 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I do, I admit it, WW3 excites me, and I dont know why.

Interestingly, I used to think in a similar way to you, and I realized that a lot of it was not actually grounded in reality; it stemmed from fictional, post-apocalyptic settings like in Fallout 3/New Vegas (which is arguably the best in the series imo), 4, etc.

Reality would not resemble those scenarios, whatsoever.

21 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I suspect there will be a strange sense of awe and wonderment at the utter devastation. It will have a strange magnificence (so long as I survive).

And those feelings of awe and wonderment will last a very short period of time, after which point your survival instincts will kick in. You won't have access to modern luxuries like plumbing, hot water, medication, technology, packaged/processed food, etc.

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I already have my survival plan.

And what does that entail?

21 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I know I only have to keep 200 metres away from fallout,

I see. How will you do that?

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I can even tell the yield of bombs and who nuked us from the length of time the flash lasts.

Elaborate. Paging @DarkHunter for this one. I don't know enough about nuclear blasts, but I suspect that it's BS.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Nuclear Wessel

[Cookie Monster]

27 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Interestingly, I used to think in a similar way to you, and I realized that a lot of it was not actually grounded in reality; it stemmed from fictional, post-apocalyptic settings like in Fallout 3/New Vegas (which is arguably the best in the series imo), 4, etc.

Reality would not resemble those scenarios, whatsoever.

And those feelings of awe and wonderment will last a very short period of time, after which point your survival instincts will kick in. You won't have access to modern luxuries like plumbing, hot water, medication, technology, packaged/processed food, etc.

And what does that entail?

I see. How will you do that?

Elaborate. Paging @DarkHunter for this one. I don't know enough about nuclear blasts, but I suspect that it's BS.

My survival plan is find non-irradiated shelter with a non-irradiated field next to it. Find a weapon for self-defence. Capture workers for my new field, and crown myself their King. The workers will be selected for their female beauty, or male submissiveness and weakness. Come on, you know how it goes, you have played Fallout too lol.

The length of the flash is determined by the yield.

I read the old US nuclear survival handbook. When the flash happens get behind something fast to block the thermal radiation. Lie down, cover as much exposed flesh as possible, and keep my eyes shut. From the moment of the flash start counting. Note the seconds you count up to until the flash stops. That indicates the yield, which country has likely nuked you, and the possibility of further nukes. Stay lying down until either the shock wave passes or you manage to count up to 60 seconds.

<10 Secs: A minor nuclear power has detonated a low yield warhead. Likely to be Iran or North Korea or Pakistan or India, or a country with an unknown nuclear weapons programme. As minor nuclear powers dont have many nukes you are safe to assume their wont be anymore in your area. So get up, look to see if the mushroom cloud is connected to the ground. If it isn`t its all over now. If it is look which way the mushroom cloud is blowing. In 20 minutes the fallout is going to start snowing down so seek immediate shelter if the mushroom cloud is coming your way.

10 to 20 Secs: Something has gone wrong in NATO and either the French or USA has nuked us Brits. There is high possibility of further nukes in the next few minutes if its the USA. So get inside, shut the curtains if they haven`t burned away, even better get inside an interior room with no windows, and sit tight. France doesnt have many nukes so if you arent near any other major cities you are probably safe, so look at what the mushroom cloud is doing.

20 to 30 Secs: Its the Russians, do the same as the above.

30 to 60 Secs: Its the Chinese. They dont have many nukes and their fusion isn`t as fast. If you are near other major cities there may be other nukes in your area. If not, look at what the mushroom cloud is doing to decide your next actions.

Of course 1 cobalt bomb with 55kg of cobalt in it or more and its the end of the world. Or, for minor nuclear powers, nuking an open pit cobalt mine. One of those nukes will do it, but the mass die off will likely take 2-3 years to complete as that cobalt gets swept back up by the wind and dispersed around the planet.

Finally if you get fallout on you then you have 5 minutes to wash it off before you receive a fatal dose of radiation. Get to a shower as fast as possible. And do not get any fallout inside you or in your eyes.

Edited June 27, 2022 by Cookie Monster

[ThereWeAreThen]

5 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

My survival plan is find non-irradiated shelter with a non-irradiated field next to it. Find a weapon for self-defence. Capture workers for my new field, and crown myself their King. The workers will be selected for their female beauty, or male submissiveness and weakness. Come on, you know how it goes, you have played Fallout too lol.

The length of the flash is determined by the yield.

I read the old US nuclear survival handbook. When the flash happens get behind something fast to block the thermal radiation. Lie down, cover as much exposed flesh as possible, and keep my eyes shut. From the moment of the flash start counting. Note the seconds you count up to until the flash stops. That indicates the yield, which country has likely nuked you, and the possibility of further nukes. Stay lying down until either the shock wave passes or you manage to count up to 60 seconds.

<10 Secs: A minor nuclear power has detonated a low yield warhead. Likely to be Iran or North Korea or Pakistan or India, or a country with an unknown nuclear weapons programme. As minor nuclear powers dont have many nukes you are safe to assume their wont be anymore in your area. So get up, look to see if the mushroom cloud is connected to the ground. If it isn`t its all over now. If it is look which way the mushroom cloud is blowing. In 20 minutes the fallout is going to start snowing down so seek immediate shelter if the mushroom cloud is coming your way.

10 to 20 Secs: Something has gone wrong in NATO and either the French or USA has nuked us Brits. There is high possibility of further nukes in the next few minutes if its the USA. So get inside, shut the curtains if they haven`t burned away, even better get inside an interior room with no windows, and sit tight. France doesnt have many nukes so if you arent near any other major cities you are probably safe, so look at what the mushroom cloud is doing.

20 to 30 Secs: Its the Russians, do the same as the above.

30 to 60 Secs: Its the Chinese. They dont have many nukes and their fusion isn`t as fast. If you are near other major cities there may be other nukes in your area. If not, look at what the mushroom cloud is doing to decide your next actions.

Of course 1 cobalt bomb with 55kg of cobalt in it or more and its the end of the world. Or, for minor nuclear powers, nuking an open pit cobalt mine. One of those nukes will do it, but the mass die off will likely take 2-3 years to complete as that cobalt gets swept back up by the wind and dispersed around the planet.

Finally if you get fallout on you then you have 5 minutes to wash it off before you receive a fatal dose of radiation. Get to a shower as fast as possible. And do not get any fallout inside you or in your eyes.

Well when you're king you can go and get the British Empire back like you always wanted to. 

[Cookie Monster]

Just now, ThereWeAreThen said:

Well when you're king you can go and get the British Empire back like you always wanted to. 

You made my eye twitch.

[DarkHunter]

1 hour ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Elaborate. Paging @DarkHunter for this one. I don't know enough about nuclear blasts, but I suspect that it's BS.

It is BS, length of flash has absolutely nothing to do with determining where a nuclear weapon is fired from. 

A nuclear weapon's place of origin can be determined but it's not from the flash.  All uranium cam be determined where it was mined from by trace isotopes and specific ratios of the isotopes.  Same thing for plutonium but that is generally produced but will have the same unique isotopes and ratios of isotopes from the reactor it was made at.  There is also the enriching process which further identifies what country did the enriching.

As for yield, there are multiple ways to determine yield but none of them are based on length of flash which is just complete and utter nonsense.  The flash of a nuclear weapon last an insanely short period of time, had to look it up but approximately three hundred millionith of a second, not the 10 seconds to a minute that was mentioned.  The nuclear detonation will stay bright for awhile after but that isnt flash.  It can be determined though if a fission warhead or fission warhead has been detonated as a fission warhead will have a single flash while a fusion warhead will have two but the two flashes are extremely close in time and cant be determined by a human.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said she would not “bet on Russia” despite Moscow's forces making progress in the east of Ukraine.

“Military experts tell us that the movements of Russia are much slower, less than expected. So Russia is running into more and more trouble,” she told CNN on Monday. “I would not at all bet on Russia. On the contrary ... Ukrainians know what they are fighting for. They are motivated. And the Russians have no clue what they are fighting for because they do not even see any sense in this war.”  

Source: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-27-22/h_781432c3cb3b7146b6037ed160a7b96a

[+Nuclear Wessel]

12 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

It is BS, length of flash has absolutely nothing to do with determining where a nuclear weapon is fired from. 

Oh, yeah, I know that. I was more-or-less curious about the relation between the length of the "flash" and the yield. I figured it was nonsense, but you have a pretty good handle on that stuff so I appreciate your input!

[Gunn]

49 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Well when you're king you can go and get the British Empire back like you always wanted to. 

Lol. Naw man, he'll probably turn raider like the rest of us and fight other raiders over sugar bombs (fictional pre-nuke war cereal in the game for those that don't know, because supposedly they're so full of goddamn sugar they'll survive anything.).

This is mine! I found it first!............. Bang- Bang- Bang!

Yeah, that's how that's gonna go. Everybody killing each other over food. Survival of the strongest. Better get your assless chaps ready and learn how to cut hair into mo hawks. More like a Mad Max scenario.

 

[Silver]

Residents in the southern port city of Mariupol are being forced to hunt pigeons to eat amid a lack of food in the area, the region's exiled mayor Vadym Boychenko has said.

In a statement on Telegram, Mr Boychenko said in order to survive residents in the region, which is now occupied by Russian forces, had begun to "set traps for pigeons".

He said: "People did the same during the famine of 1932-1933."

The mayor went on to say the crisis was "a mockery of people who had lived a full life before the war".

"These terrible things are happening in the 21st century, in the heart of Europe, in front of the whole world. This is a genocide of the Ukrainian people by a terrorist state," Mr Boychenko added.

Ukraine news live: Mariupol residents 'forced to hunt pigeons' to eat due to lack of food; shopping centre attack shows Putin's 'depths of cruelty and barbarism' | World News | Sky News

Edited June 27, 2022 by The Silver Shroud

[Silver]

 A few years ago the world was classified as 1st, 2nd, and 3rd World, with good reason. A 2nd World nation should not be allowed to hold the whole world to ransom through starvation just because they have not developed a decent system of government and allowed themselves to be dominated by a kleptocracy.

NATO should unleash its power.They should cut out the cancer, whatever the immediate risk. The whole world can see what is happening- genocide through starvation, invasion of sovereign countries, civilians killed, peaceful farms destroyed so a few oligarchs can live a life of luxury. The 1st World , the free world, is allowing itself to be destroyed by a tinpot dictatorship.

Third World - Wikipedia

[Trelane]

Uh oh, maybe the alliance isn't as strong as Vladdy thought;

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exports-to-russia-from-china-plummet-study-shows/ar-AAYVSdf?ocid=msedgntphdr&cvid=9a615a07a4f24ab5a430ebd6f4eacdd2

"Global exports to Russia fell sharply after the Ukraine invasion, not only from Western countries that enacted sanctions but also from non-sanctioning countries including China, a new analysis shows. The study suggests Moscow is struggling to find suppliers for a range of goods"

Also, more bad news for the orcs;

"Sanctions Push Russia to First Foreign Default Since Bolshevik Revolution:
A debt default has been long in coming since Western sanctions created payment obstacles Moscow couldn’t overcome"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sanctions-push-russia-near-first-foreign-default-since-bolshevik-revolution-11656248212

Edited June 28, 2022 by Trelane

[+Nuclear Wessel]

12 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Uh oh, maybe the alliance isn't as strong as Vladdy thought;

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exports-to-russia-from-china-plummet-study-shows/ar-AAYVSdf?ocid=msedgntphdr&cvid=9a615a07a4f24ab5a430ebd6f4eacdd2

"Global exports to Russia fell sharply after the Ukraine invasion, not only from Western countries that enacted sanctions but also from non-sanctioning countries including China, a new analysis shows. The study suggests Moscow is struggling to find suppliers for a range of goods"

Also, more bad news for the orcs;

"Sanctions Push Russia to First Foreign Default Since Bolshevik Revolution:
A debt default has been long in coming since Western sanctions created payment obstacles Moscow couldn’t overcome"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sanctions-push-russia-near-first-foreign-default-since-bolshevik-revolution-11656248212

This is great news. Russia won’t be able to move money through banks to pay off their debts. 

[+Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

My survival plan is find non-irradiated shelter with a non-irradiated field next to it. Find a weapon for self-defence. Capture workers for my new field, and crown myself their King. The workers will be selected for their female beauty, or male submissiveness and weakness. Come on, you know how it goes, you have played Fallout too lol.

The length of the flash is determined by the yield.

I read the old US nuclear survival handbook. When the flash happens get behind something fast to block the thermal radiation. Lie down, cover as much exposed flesh as possible, and keep my eyes shut. From the moment of the flash start counting. Note the seconds you count up to until the flash stops. That indicates the yield, which country has likely nuked you, and the possibility of further nukes. Stay lying down until either the shock wave passes or you manage to count up to 60 seconds.

<10 Secs: A minor nuclear power has detonated a low yield warhead. Likely to be Iran or North Korea or Pakistan or India, or a country with an unknown nuclear weapons programme. As minor nuclear powers dont have many nukes you are safe to assume their wont be anymore in your area. So get up, look to see if the mushroom cloud is connected to the ground. If it isn`t its all over now. If it is look which way the mushroom cloud is blowing. In 20 minutes the fallout is going to start snowing down so seek immediate shelter if the mushroom cloud is coming your way.

10 to 20 Secs: Something has gone wrong in NATO and either the French or USA has nuked us Brits. There is high possibility of further nukes in the next few minutes if its the USA. So get inside, shut the curtains if they haven`t burned away, even better get inside an interior room with no windows, and sit tight. France doesnt have many nukes so if you arent near any other major cities you are probably safe, so look at what the mushroom cloud is doing.

20 to 30 Secs: Its the Russians, do the same as the above.

30 to 60 Secs: Its the Chinese. They dont have many nukes and their fusion isn`t as fast. If you are near other major cities there may be other nukes in your area. If not, look at what the mushroom cloud is doing to decide your next actions.

Of course 1 cobalt bomb with 55kg of cobalt in it or more and its the end of the world. Or, for minor nuclear powers, nuking an open pit cobalt mine. One of those nukes will do it, but the mass die off will likely take 2-3 years to complete as that cobalt gets swept back up by the wind and dispersed around the planet.

Finally if you get fallout on you then you have 5 minutes to wash it off before you receive a fatal dose of radiation. Get to a shower as fast as possible. And do not get any fallout inside you or in your eyes.

EFFECTS OF NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS: https://nuke.fas.org/guide/usa/doctrine/dod/fm8-9/1ch3.htm
 

[el midgetron]

(CNN)White House officials are losing confidence that Ukraine will ever be able to take back all of the land it has lost to Russia over the past four months of war, US officials told CNN, even with the heavier and more sophisticated weaponry the US and its allies plan to send. 

Advisers to President Joe Biden have begun debating internally how and whether Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky should shift his definition of a Ukrainian "victory" -- adjusting for the possibility that his country has shrunk irreversibly.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics/white-house-ukraine-projection/index.html

Truth is the White House gives zero ***** about what happens to their pawn Ukraine. Chopped up or utterly destroyed, that’s how being a proxy works out. 

[el midgetron]

(CNN)Russian forces are arguably having their best spell since the invasion of Ukraine began four months ago. 

They have eliminated most Ukrainian defenses in the Luhansk region, consolidated control of a belt of territory in the south, improved their logistics and command structure and blunted the effectiveness of Ukrainian attack drones.

Within the last week, the Russians have been rewarded for their intense -- some would say merciless -- bombardments of the remaining parts of the Luhansk region held by Ukrainian forces, which have finally given up Severodonetsk and lost territory south of Lysychansk. 

The head of the self-declared Luhansk People's Republic, Leonid Pasechnik, predicted last Friday that Russian forces would completely encircle Lysychansk within two or three days. So far they haven't, but the city is in imminent peril.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/27/europe/russia-ukraine-war-tide-turning-lister-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[Poncho_Peanatus]

15 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Putler's Ruzzia is a terrorist state. 

 

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3516469-first-data-on-kremenchuk-mall-casualties-two-dead-20-injured-in-russian-missile-strike.html

As a result of a Russian missile attack on a Kremenchuk mall, at least two were killed and 20 more were injured.

"At the moment we know of 20 injured, nine of them in serious condition. It has already been confirmed that two people were killed," ...

"This is not a military facility, it has no strategic value. An ordinary shopping mall, where people came to shop, ...

In turn, the Head of the President’s Office, Andriy Yermak, stressed that Russia should be recognized as a sponsor of terrorism, while Ukraine needs more weapons and air defense systems to protect its people.

Effing animals. No wonder they are getting a good beat since they waste their weaponry on useless terror attack.

[Silver]

The UK may take the lead:

The head of the British Army has likened the country's current defence situation in the wake of Russia's "brutal aggression" to the lead up to the Second World War, warning Britain is facing its "1937 moment". 

In an address on Tuesday, Chief of the General Staff, General Sir Patrick Sanders, is set to say that Britain's armed forces must be prepared to "fight and win" to prevent the war from expanding across Europe. 

It comes as Russia's relentless invasion of Ukraine becomes deadlier by the day, with Vladimir Putin posing one of the largest threats to peace and democracy ever known. 

Why Britain faces a '1937 moment' in Ukraine (msn.com)

Edited June 28, 2022 by The Silver Shroud

[ThereWeAreThen]

1 hour ago, The Silver Shroud said:

The UK may take the lead:

The head of the British Army has likened the country's current defence situation in the wake of Russia's "brutal aggression" to the lead up to the Second World War, warning Britain is facing its "1937 moment". 

In an address on Tuesday, Chief of the General Staff, General Sir Patrick Sanders, is set to say that Britain's armed forces must be prepared to "fight and win" to prevent the war from expanding across Europe. 

It comes as Russia's relentless invasion of Ukraine becomes deadlier by the day, with Vladimir Putin posing one of the largest threats to peace and democracy ever known. 

Why Britain faces a '1937 moment' in Ukraine (msn.com)

And boris wants to cut tbe Army regular by 10,000. Should be atleast 20k higher.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

6 hours ago, el midgetron said:

Truth is the White House gives zero ***** about what happens to their pawn Ukraine.

I know you desperately want that to be true, but that's not the case. The United States has already invested billions into Ukraine, and is going to be investing even more such money. The G7 pledged recently (along with the US) to continue to provide aid to Ukraine as long as it's required, no matter what.

Also, you suck at being the next Occult. It's not your thing, man.