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Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?


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1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

It seems a common attitude among "strong" leaders; total disdain for the citizens they govern.   They stay in power because cynical realists support him to  gain their own power, and the emotionally dependent believe he cares about them.

That explains Putin's supporters outside Russia too. 

 

Rant incoming, not your fault :D : 

Which is one of the reasons why it would be perfect if he'd decide to attack a NATO country. Forgive me for showing my psychopath side (benevolent psycho, I promise! and I'm very compassionate until psycho takes over), but besides the fact that it would be ideal for Ukraine that the second front is opened, to relieve them a little, it would also make serious measures against enemy propaganda and collaborators, especially among politicians, possible. Before it's too late.

Ukraine suffers serious damage due to pro-Russian collaborators, most of them were not a surprise. Ukraine tolerated traitors in the name of democracy and free speech. They thanked their country for tolerance with betraying not only military information, but their own neighbours too. (For example, orcs abduct children of Ukrainian soldiers, based on information they received from collaborators.)

Putin's ideology is a patchwork of seeming contradictions (adoration of Nazism and Stalinism at the same time, though they are the opposite sides of the same turd, blindly selfish, shortsighted greed and at the same time the myth of collective national consciousness and eternal Russia), but it can be summed up as sadistic and primitive. Which attracts such individuals. It makes them extra dangerous. These are not the types that will give you the same freedom you're guaranteeing to them. They will poison your well, both figuratively and literally.  

But I'm worried that Putin is not that stupid to actually attack NATO. He'll try dragging the existing war on, until the point he religiously believes in, the point at which both Ukraine and NATO surrender to his greatness. It's like he's not Slavic at all and has no idea what it means to really make Slavic people angry. (Possibly that's because *****i aren't Slavic after all. They stole the name like they steal everything else, from toilets to live cats. - An orc really did steal a cat in Ukraine and abandoned it in Belarus. By a chain of outright miracles, the cat was returned to his human family.) 

Ukraine is masterfully using the weapons that finally started arriving. In too modest quantities. Ukraine needs more weapons. They're blowing up enemy depots and commands, as someone sane who's fighting a war would do. While the orcs are targeting water tankers for civilians and shopping malls. Orcs' priority is genocide.  

Grinch, American volunteer in Ukraine, said in the video in one of my posts above - this is black and white, right versus wrong. 

It is. 

I'm honored with the chance to witness it, and it drives me mad that I'm not doing enough to support the human kind against orcs. 

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oooh, *****i is censored? I just tested Russian slur for Ukrainian and that one is not censored. I don't like that strange imbalance at all.
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24 minutes ago, Myles said:

Thanks for sharing that.   Good stuff.  Well not good in the sense as it was good it happened, just good video of the evil being done. 

Back a few pages, people were talking about how much trouble Russia was having with their missiles.   Could this had been an errant target?

No. 

Two missiles right at the shopping mall. 

This was deliberate, a war crime and a part of Russian genocide against Ukrainians. 

No spins possible. Russia lied they targeted ammo depot (edit to clarify: in the sense that the shopping mall full of civilians wasn't a shopping mall full of civilians, as the evidence shows, but an ammo depot, because stupid people lie in stupid, easily debunked ways). All evidence proves it was a shopping mall. 18 dead, almost 40 missing, they'll all be dead, because of fire that followed the explosions.  

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Looks like Erdogan folded. Sweden and Finland are heading to NATO. Very good news. Not so much for Vladolf.

 

Tried to find any english speaking article to confirm but cannot find it yet.

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Confirmation of news not available yet.
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1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

No. 

Two missiles right at the shopping mall. 

This was deliberate, a war crime and a part of Russian genocide against Ukrainians. 

No spins possible. Russia lied they targeted ammo depot (edit to clarify: in the sense that the shopping mall full of civilians wasn't a shopping mall full of civilians, as the evidence shows, but an ammo depot, because stupid people lie in stupid, easily debunked ways). All evidence proves it was a shopping mall. 18 dead, almost 40 missing, they'll all be dead, because of fire that followed the explosions.  

I only ask because in this thread people were saying how crappy and inaccurate their missiles are.   It doesn't seem to go with them being on target with 2 out of 2.   i was just asking.

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1 hour ago, Myles said:

I only ask because in this thread people were saying how crappy and inaccurate their missiles are.   It doesn't seem to go with them being on target with 2 out of 2.   i was just asking.

Just asking. All right, not your fault, you're just asking. I'll answer. 

 

Russia has tons of crappy, rusty, imprecise stuff. It's still deadly. But Russia also has a stock of modern missiles (such as their pride and supersonic joy Kinzhal), whose production and maintenance depends on parts and materials they have to import from the West (that's the good news, sanctions) and probably will try to change the supplier (that will have funny results) and the guess is they don't have a lot of these. 

It's raining missiles on Ukraine, Dnipro, civilians under rubble. AA took some of them down, others hit civilian targets. It's not coincidence, Russia is deliberately spending missiles on civilians, the precise stuff, to create impression they've got them enough to waste them and to achieve primary Russian goal in Ukraine, which is genocide. 

Putin is starting to realize he can't have Ukraine, so he is going for the maximum damage. 

He wants to destroy the entire nation because that nation didn't want him to **** on their heads.  

Putin is also starting to realize the West is not a bunch of meek idiots who will give in to his demands, because he had an "ingenious" idea to start threatening with nuclear war on daily basis. Each day a clown or two in Duma (Russian caricature of a parliament) blather about nuclear annihilation of Europe or West in general, like they seriously believe the West wouldn't dare respond in kind to Russian nukes. 

So he's showing to the West, to you and to me, that he can and will hit civilian targets, that when he threatens you with genocide, this is exactly what he'll attempt doing. 

It is about time that the West shows to Putin what defense systems it has and how effective they are.  

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What I was mentioning in the post above: 

 

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3517435-rescuers-search-for-people-trapped-under-rubble-after-russias-missile-attack-on-dnipro.html

One of six missiles fired by Russian invaders at Dnipropetrovsk Region has hit an industrial enterprise. Rescuers are searching for people trapped under the rubble.

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A reminder that, on June 28, 2022, Russian occupiers fired six missiles at Dnipropetrovsk Region. The Ukrainian anti-aircraft defense units shot down four sea-based Kalibr missiles: three of them over Synelnyykove District and one over the city of Dnipro.

 

 

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3517459-enemy-continuously-fires-oniks-missiles-at-odesa-region.html

“The enemy continues to attack Odesa Region’s Izmail District with Oniks cruise missiles. As one missile was destroyed in the morning, five more missile strikes were launched on the coast line during the day,” the report states.

 

According to the South Operational Command, no significant damage and no casualties were reported, as access to the coast in that area had been closed.

A reminder that, in the morning of June 28, 2022, the Ukrainian anti-aircraft defense units shot down an enemy Oniks cruise missile over the sea, which was fired by Russia from the temporarily occupied Crimea.

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It was probably two old soviet X-22 missiles that struck Kremenchuk. 

The attempt to spin it, claiming that old soviet missiles are crap (they are) so Russians accidentally hit the mall instead of legitimate military target (though no target is legitimate for Russians in Ukraine since they're the aggressor and they have no decency to declare war) is bull****, because two of them hit the same target. 

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1 hour ago, Myles said:

I only ask because in this thread people were saying how crappy and inaccurate their missiles are.   It doesn't seem to go with them being on target with 2 out of 2.   i was just asking.

It's a bit complicated and both crappy and inaccurate need to be addressed separately as they are two seperate things entirely.

For the crappy aspect, the Russian missiles have shown to have a lot of problems when fielded.  A large percentage of Russian missiles are either failing to detonate on impact, falling far short/falling apart during the flight, or failing to successfully launch.  A certain percentage of missiles will always fail for any number of reasons but in America and Europe the failure rate is normally in the single percentages at highest while for Russia depending on the weapon system seems to of been between 20% and 50% from what I'm remembering.  The designs are not the issue as its quality control and proper maintenance that are causing the high failure rates.  The newer missiles that Russia has focused and invested way too heavily in, having hypersonic weapons are useful but not at the expensive of soldiers not having body armor or emergency medical equipment, do tend to have far lower failure rates.

Inaccurate is a bit more relative but in general while most western precision weapon systems depending on type are accurate to within a few meters of the target, Russian precision weapons depending on the weapon system are generally accurate within a few tens of meters of the target. The inaccuracy of Russian precision weapon systems are largely due to Russia traditionally having problems in producing high end electronics and precision instruments.  

As the war goes on and as Ukraine is now striking ammunition depots, military headquarters, and logistic/communication with seemingly HIMARS far behind the front lines the Russians have resorted to more attacks on Ukranian civilians.  Why Russia is deciding to spend valuable and limited military equipment to attack civilians instead of military targets is not clear but historically when an aggressor starts to feel like they arent succeeding they traditionally start to target the civilians of the state they are attacking even though doing so is almost always detrimental to themselves.  It's a weird psychological thing in humanity as a whole.

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1 hour ago, odas said:

Looks like Erdogan folded. Sweden and Finland are heading to NATO. Very good news. Not so much for Vladolf.

 

Tried to find any english speaking article to confirm but cannot find it yet.

Very good indeed. No, excellent news!

And some more excellency from Turkey... Türkiye, that is... 

(edit to add: Baykar did the same when Lithuania raised money for Bayraktar for Ukraine.)

:nw:

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1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Just asking. All right, not your fault, you're just asking. I'll answer. 

 

Russia has tons of crappy, rusty, imprecise stuff. It's still deadly. But Russia also has a stock of modern missiles (such as their pride and supersonic joy Kinzhal), whose production and maintenance depends on parts and materials they have to import from the West (that's the good news, sanctions) and probably will try to change the supplier (that will have funny results) and the guess is they don't have a lot of these. 

It's raining missiles on Ukraine, Dnipro, civilians under rubble. AA took some of them down, others hit civilian targets. It's not coincidence, Russia is deliberately spending missiles on civilians, the precise stuff, to create impression they've got them enough to waste them and to achieve primary Russian goal in Ukraine, which is genocide. 

Putin is starting to realize he can't have Ukraine, so he is going for the maximum damage. 

He wants to destroy the entire nation because that nation didn't want him to **** on their heads.  

Putin is also starting to realize the West is not a bunch of meek idiots who will give in to his demands, because he had an "ingenious" idea to start threatening with nuclear war on daily basis. Each day a clown or two in Duma (Russian caricature of a parliament) blather about nuclear annihilation of Europe or West in general, like they seriously believe the West wouldn't dare respond in kind to Russian nukes. 

So he's showing to the West, to you and to me, that he can and will hit civilian targets, that when he threatens you with genocide, this is exactly what he'll attempt doing. 

It is about time that the West shows to Putin what defense systems it has and how effective they are.  

On RT News they say something different.

They say the missiles were targeted at the Kredmash Vehicle Plant next door to the shopping centre which was storing weapons. They give drone footage of the plant with a huge hole in it. Their claim is the secondary explosions from the stored weapons set fire to the shopping centre.

The drone footage shows the car park outside was empty when the missile struck except for some soldiers in military uniforms wondering around.

Ukraine is telling porkies about this one, video footage don`t lie.

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Turkey just cleared the way for Finland and Sweden to join NATO.

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18 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

On RT News they say something different.

They say the missiles were targeted at the Kredmash Vehicle Plant next door to the shopping centre which was storing weapons. They give drone footage of the plant with a huge hole in it. Their claim is the secondary explosions from the stored weapons set fire to the shopping centre.

The drone footage shows the car park outside was empty when the missile struck except for some soldiers in military uniforms wondering around.

Ukraine is telling porkies about this one, video footage don`t lie.

Cookie, I told you hundred times already, Russian propaganda garbage is not meant for sane adults. 

They just spew fantastic stupidities which only an imbecile would take seriously. 

You're supposed to "just ask questions", not admit right away that you fell for another bout of cretinism from Kremlin. 

It should create an impression that you're "just being objective". It won't, but it should. 

How's weather at St. Peterburg? Thundering, huh? It was in the distance, but it's coming closer now? That's NATO approaching. And they've got so much to give.  

 

'nite, trollsky. It was a morbid pleasure as always. 

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9 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Cookie, I told you hundred times already, Russian propaganda garbage is not meant for sane adults. 

They just spew fantastic stupidities which only an imbecile would take seriously. 

You're supposed to "just ask questions", not admit right away that you fell for another bout of cretinism from Kremlin. 

It should create an impression that you're "just being objective". It won't, but it should. 

How's weather at St. Peterburg? Thundering, huh? It was in the distance, but it's coming closer now? That's NATO approaching. And they've got so much to give.  

 

'nite, trollsky. It was a morbid pleasure as always. 

Cookie sane adult that tickled me. :lol:

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1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

It was probably two old soviet X-22 missiles that struck Kremenchuk. 

The attempt to spin it, claiming that old soviet missiles are crap (they are) so Russians accidentally hit the mall instead of legitimate military target (though no target is legitimate for Russians in Ukraine since they're the aggressor and they have no decency to declare war) is bull****, because two of them hit the same target. 

Seems like a factory was hit, too. Check the Twitter feed.

Also, from what I've been seeing these missiles are meant for aircraft carriers and such. Not exactly meant for precision strikes, so it does show a lack of consideration for human life. Russia is still a terrorist state.

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11 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I know you desperately want that to be true, but that's not the case. The United States has already invested billions into Ukraine, and is going to be investing even more such money. The G7 pledged recently (along with the US) to continue to provide aid to Ukraine as long as it's required, no matter what.

Also, you suck at being the next Occult. It's not your thing, man.

Maybe it’s not the case if your world started on 2/24? However, history prior to 2/24 shows us otherwise. The on going conflict in Yemen illustrates the toll being a proxy can’t have on a country. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/21/yemen-children-hunger/2076683002/

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2 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Maybe it’s not the case if your world started on 2/24? However, history prior to 2/24 shows us otherwise. The on going conflict in Yemen illustrates the toll being a proxy can’t have on a country. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/11/21/yemen-children-hunger/2076683002/

I don't see what Yemen has to do with the current conflict in Ukraine. Weren't you already warned by Saru? 

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An explanation of Russian losses:

 

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7 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I don't see what Yemen has to do with the current conflict in Ukraine. Weren't you already warned by Saru? 

Obviously you don’t see or understand.

I trust Saru will be able to follow me making a point about the effects on a country of being a US proxy to which you respond only with a flippant “that's not the case”, so I provide you with an example, Yemen, to which you plead ignorance of the significance…..

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9 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Obviously you don’t see or understand.

I trust Saru will be able to follow me making a point about the effects on a country of being a US proxy to which you respond only with a flippant “that's not the case”, so I provide you with an example, Yemen, to which you plead ignorance of the significance…..

The US is a player but not the main player in Yemen, its Saudi vs Iran. I'm impressed that hasn't led to the Saudis and Iranian bombing the crap out of eachother.

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4 hours ago, Myles said:

Back a few pages, people were talking about how much trouble Russia was having with their missiles.   Could this had been an errant target?

I think they might have been aiming for the factory, but in a very loose sense - hence why they used those X-22 missiles. I think the primary target was the factory but with a blatant and utter disregard for innocent human life.

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3 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I think they might have been aiming for the factory, but in a very loose sense - hence why they used those X-22 missiles. I think the primary target was the factory but with a blatant and utter disregard for innocent human life.

Doesn't it also show that the russian military is not that high tech as expected?

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Just now, thedutchiedutch said:

Doesn't it also show that the russian military is not that high tech as expected?

That, and/or conserving resources.

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