Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[ThereWeAreThen]

42 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

So what is the reason you post this sensational realisation?

The comment in question is quite clearly aimed at highlighting the fact that the U.K. should probably bolster its armed forces personnel.

Ukraine has suffered losses, those losses are less than the total number of US service personnel, or NK’s.

Importantly they are less than its own number of active personnel.

This, the British Army regular has somewhere about 80k atm but the idiots in charge want to reduce the numbers. However there are alot of calls for an expansion of the army and the other branches all together. Usually I'm against it because I don't trust the UK gov however Ruzzia's invasion of Ukraine is a game changer. Time for people to wake up.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

4 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Ok, now tell us how many soldiers the Russians have lost and please be honest now that would be refreshing.

Just ignore him. His objective is to just try to derail the thread and make it about him and his political agenda.

[Silver]

The US is enhancing its military presence in Europe based on threats coming from Russia, President Joe Biden has said.

He confirmed the US will raise the number of destroyers in Spain to six from four and said Washington will send two additional F-35 squadrons to Britain and establish a permanent 5th Army headquarters in Poland. 

He said an additional rotational brigade will be deployed to Romania and station additional air defence and other capabilities in Germany and Italy. 

He pledged to make sure NATO is ready to meet threats from all directions across all domains, land air and sea. 

"Putin has shattered peace in Europe," he said.

"We're stepping up," he continued. 

Ukraine news live: US changes military posture in Europe over Russia threat - Biden to send new F-35 squadrons | World News | Sky News

Edited June 29, 2022 by The Silver Shroud

[+Nuclear Wessel]

On the Kremenchuk Mall attack...

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/61967480

Also, that link addresses some other claims being made about the attack.

[el midgetron]

Moscow-Imposed Administration Plans Referendum In Ukraine's Kherson On Joining Russia

The Moscow-installed military administration ruling the area around the occupied Ukrainian city of Kherson said it is preparing to hold a referendum on joining Russia.

"Yes, we are preparing for a referendum -- and we will hold it," Kirill Stremoussov, the deputy head of Kherson's military and civil administration, said in a videopublished on Telegram.

Stremoussov said Kherson should become "a full-fledged member" of Russia.

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-kherson-referendum-russia-occupied/31921179.html

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Near Kherson, Ukrainians regain territory in major counteroffensive

NATALYNE, Ukraine — At a school where Russian forces had set up a base in Ukraine’s southern Kherson region, three of their armored personnel carriers remained on the property — for now. They were damaged when Ukraine’s military recently forced the occupying soldiers back from this area. Over the weekend, three locals hammered at one vehicle to salvage spare parts.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/29/ukraine-kherson-counteroffensive-russia/

[+Nuclear Wessel]

8 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Moscow-Imposed Administration Plans Referendum In Ukraine's Kherson On Joining Russia

The Moscow-installed military administration ruling the area around the occupied Ukrainian city of Kherson said it is preparing to hold a referendum on joining Russia.

"Yes, we are preparing for a referendum -- and we will hold it," Kirill Stremoussov, the deputy head of Kherson's military and civil administration, said in a videopublished on Telegram.

Stremoussov said Kherson should become "a full-fledged member" of Russia.

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-kherson-referendum-russia-occupied/31921179.html

Doesn't seem very legal to me.

From that article:

Russian-installed officials said earlier that their security forces had detained Kherson Mayor Ihor Kolykhayev on June 28 after he refused to follow Moscow's orders. A local official said the mayor was kidnapped.

[el midgetron]

Ukraine wants to win today, the West is looking at 2023

President Joe Biden and European leaders are converging on the Spanish capital Wednesday for a show of support for Ukraine’s resistance to Russia’s invasion. But beneath the surface of unanimity, there is tension in planning the next steps in the war.

Despite NATO’s upcoming expansion and continued commitments to funnel massive amounts of weapons into Ukraine, there is a growing public divergence as to how long the war will last and to what extent the Western governments supporting the effort are willing to commit to helping Ukraine win — even what victory might look like.

Ukrainian leaders are eying the calendar as they ask allies for more weapons, fearful that without a major push this summer, Russia will be able to use the winter months to solidify captured ground in the eastern Donbas region.

At the same time, Western leaders are increasingly settling in for the long haul, talking about building up Ukrainian stocks of ammunition and training programs for what they see as a drawn-out struggle that will last well into next year, at the least.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/29/ukraine-wants-to-win-today-the-west-is-looking-at-2023-00043087

[el midgetron]

U.S. Popular Support for Ukraine Aid Declines Amid Ongoing Economic Woes
 

Top national security experts now predict that the war in Ukraine will go on longer than first anticipated.

"A war Vladimir Putin thought would be over in a matter of days has now stretched on for months," U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said during a press conference in Berlin on Sunday.

The Secretary-General of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg, shared a similar assessment earlier this month, when he told the Washington Post that the fighting could easily drag into an "unresolved conflict," with neither side willing to make the concessions necessary for any deal.

"We need to be prepared that this may actually drag on for a long time," he said……

……..Polling data from the Morning Consult suggests that American support for financial assistance to Ukraine has already atrophied.

Some 86% of American voters are at least somewhat concerned about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, according to the Russia-Ukraine Crisis Tracker. However, only 46% of American voters currently agree that the government should impose sanctions on Russia, even if it causes the price of goods to rise — down from the 56% who agreed with the statement in April.

https://www.newsweek.com/us-popular-support-ukraine-aid-declines-amid-ongoing-economic-woes-1719359

 

[el midgetron]

Ukraine’s new (and probably fake) war hero is a goat

The goat in question, at least according to The Telegraph, wandered into a group of Russian soldiers rigging some grenades around a hospital. The goat, carrying on with its goat business, then supposedly prematurely set off the boobytrap. It presumably walked away unscathed, leaving 40 wounded Russian troops in its wake. 

Or, according to the Ukrainian Intelligence Directorate, the goat’s “chaotic” movements “disposed of several grenades.”

The goat – dubbed the “Goat of Kyiv” – seems almost too good to be true, and given the chaotic nature of the information war being waged by both Ukraine and Russia, it very may well be. A goat on the front lines of a war that is becoming a brutal artillery stalemate just goes and disposes of 40 Russian soldiers who can’t get out of their own way? Sure, that sounds plausible. 
 

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/ukraines-new-fake-war-hero-goddamn-goat/

 

 

Edited June 29, 2022 by el midgetron

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

On the Kremenchuk Mall attack...

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/61967480

Also, that link addresses some other claims being made about the attack.

Thank you for the info. 

In my opinion, we'll never find out was the mall or was the factory the primary target, or possibly both. 

Neither of those is a legitimate military target, both are civilian objects and civilians were present in them at the time of the attack. 

Not to mention that no target is legitimate for Russia in Ukraine, because Russia is the aggressor.

The latest wave of Russian missile attacks took lives of civilians mostly. Russia is a terrorist state, attempting genocide in Ukraine. 

Which is why Ukraine needs more weapons. So far delivered weapons are inflicting heavy losses on orcs, that's why Russian assets are spamming like mad (notice they all spam the same at the same period), in futile attempt to create an "alternative" truth in which Ukrainians are idiots who are at war with wonderful Russia only because America tricked them into doing so. It's not just a bizarrely stupid lie, it's also a lie very offensive for Ukrainians. 

I'm Slavic, I remember what former regime was like, and I am not going back to that (and it was better in my particular area than it was in the USSR). 

I understand perfectly why Ukrainians are not going back to that. No Russian propaganda can change that. No missiles can change that. Nothing on this Earth can change that, ever.  

[Helen of Annoy]

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3517649-ukraine-in-talks-with-russia-on-return-of-ukrainian-and-foreign-pows-zelensky.html

Ukraine is currently in talks with Russia to return from captivity both Ukrainians and foreign volunteer fighters who defended the country.

...

He noted that today Russia is holding thousands of Ukrainian prisoners, including foreign volunteer fighters who came to defend Ukraine. According to him, negotiations are underway with Russia to release both Ukrainian and foreign soldiers from captivity.

- end of quote - 

 

As I mentioned earlier, I'm certain that Ukraine will not give up on anyone. 

Small exchanges of POWs happened recently, that is a good sign. But it's Russia on the other side and nothing is too low or too stupid for them.  

[Helen of Annoy]

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3517942-zelensky-addresses-nato-summit-russia-must-be-isolated.html

"Russia must be isolated. It must not be present in the international bodies that it wants to destroy. There must be no dialogues that do not make sense until it starts looking for that dialogue. It [Russia] must seek a dialogue itself and, therefore, seek peace. And, for the sake of peace, the understanding of NATO 's eastern flank must be reconsidered," President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky said, addressing the participants in the NATO Summit in Madrid.

 

[Silver]

Sky news commentator: this was deliberate targeting of civilians 

 

[Silver]

 

Russian missiles continued to rain down on Ukraine as G7 leaders wrapped up their summit in Madrid, where they condemned Russia’s invasion and pledged support for Kyiv.

In the southern Ukrainian city of Mykolaiv, Vitaliy Kim, the local mayor, said a Russian missile strike had killed at least three people when it hit a residential building. Moscow admitted to the strike on the city but said its forces had hit what it called a training base for “foreign mercenaries” in the region.

“Several villages have been wiped from the face of the earth,” said the governor, Oleksandr Vilkul.

Ukrainian villages ‘wiped from face of earth’ by Russian missile strikes | Ukraine | The Guardian

Edited June 29, 2022 by The Silver Shroud

[Helen of Annoy]

Orcs are imbeciles and as such a perfect tool for the genocidal goals of Russian terrorist state. 

(Link goes to Ukrainska Pravda, which has nothing to do with Russian Pravda tabloid, or communist propaganda Pravda from USSR. "Pravda" means "truth" so it's logical choice of name for a Slavic media.)

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/29/7355357/

At the occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, Russian invaders are planning to drain the cooling pools while searching for fictitious weapons belonging to workers, which could create a nuclear danger.

...

 

Under this pretext, Russian invaders want to drain the cooling pools to check the basins and to stop the pumps that supply water to the safety systems of the power units.

Energoatom emphasises that if ZNPP is left without cooling, it could become a threat to nuclear safety due to the risk of overheating and equipment failure, especially in the current heat.

[Helen of Annoy]

While Russia is murdering civilians who are waiting in line for water, Ukrainian army is successfully targeting Russian ammo depots. 

 

[jmccr8]

11 hours ago, el midgetron said:

Because it is. Anyway, this sort of make-believe is exactly the problem with the pro-war side.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/russia-is-right-the-us-is-waging-aproxy-war-in-ukraine/2022/05/10/2c8058a4-d051-11ec-886b-df76183d233f_story.html

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/war-ukraine-censorship/

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/04/ukraine-nato-russia-proxy-war.html

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/06/06/ex-us-diplomat-explains-why-the-ukraine-war-has-become-a-proxy-war.html

But whatever. Let say your claim that Russia was waging a proxy war in Donbas but the US isn’t makes sense on some level. It doesn’t change the fact that prolonging the war by propping Ukraine up with weapons is only going to compound the misery of the Ukrainian people.

 

 

Hi El

Just wondering if you were a citizen of the Ukraine and living there at this time would you give up your country to be a Russian citizen especially if you had already lived under Russian rule in the past and at what part of the conflict would you turn? Would you turn at the first shot fired or later when things look bad but the Ukraine is still free and you friends , neighbors and relatives or when all hope is lost? I know that you lost hope on the first shot as a forum member but do wonder if you loved your friends, family and country would you fight to save them if it was your country?

[jmccr8]

10 hours ago, el midgetron said:

believe the pro war members here have that covered

Hi El

Cookie seems to be the only one getting a woodie for war, no one has cheered that this war has started but yes many of us are rooting for the Ukraine in their struggle to be independent.

 

Edited June 29, 2022 by jmccr8

[Helen of Annoy]

YES!

I've got no link in English, but 144 men, 95 of them Azovstal defenders, returned to Ukraine. Most of them severely injured. 

[Cookie Monster]

7 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi El

Just wondering if you were a citizen of the Ukraine and living there at this time would you give up your country to be a Russian citizen especially if you had already lived under Russian rule in the past and at what part of the conflict would you turn? Would you turn at the first shot fired or later when things look bad but the Ukraine is still free and you friends , neighbors and relatives or when all hope is lost? I know that you lost hope on the first shot as a forum member but do wonder if you loved your friends, family and country would you fight to save them if it was your country?

Thats not how it works.

You keep both a Ukrainian and Russian flag in your attic, and whoever owns your area on the day is whose flag you wave. You dont pick sides, you tell both lots you love them, and that way you survive!

Let the low IQ people die in the fighting (yes, low IQ, not shady).

Edited June 29, 2022 by Cookie Monster

[jmccr8]

3 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Thats not how it works.

You keep both a Ukrainian and Russian flag in your attic, and whoever owns your area on the day is whose flag you wave. You dont pick sides, you tell both lots you love them, and that way you survive!

Let the low IQ people die in the fighting (yes, low IQ, not shady).

Hi Cookie

Hum, well..., trying to be polite and still have some fun, then you are anyone's b1tch and will kiss any ass presented as long as you still get to breath and eat.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

14 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Let the low IQ people die in the fighting (yes, low IQ, not shady).

Why?

[Cookie Monster]

10 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Cookie

Hum, well..., trying to be polite and still have some fun, then you are anyone's b1tch and will kiss any ass presented as long as you still get to breath and eat.

The kisser of the butt hole survives, and gets special privileges.

[Cookie Monster]

2 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Why?

Self preservation lol