Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[ThereWeAreThen]

6 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

1) At what point cannon fodder needs to be trained...

2) With logistics slight problems - time.

3) russians aren't stupid that much, won't keep substantial forces on the west borders, as well on the eastern, cause NATO, nor China ain't stupid to invade country with nuclear response capabilities.

bonus) 20 year long propaganda brainwashed entire generation (putlerjugend), so, putler will have enough manpower to waste... Just look how many lives of youngsters hitler threw away...

You'd still have to train them surely? "Blyat comrade, this is a Kalashinakov, there is Ukraine go help defend motherland!"

They've had plenty of time for logistics and only just managed to do alright with it where there is nowhere near a million troops in Ukraine. (Obviouslsy the MRLS US and UK gave to Ukraine is one big headache for the Orcs)

Hmm not so sure they've been a bit inept in this war. Only really made progress by bombing the living **** out of towns, cities and settlements.

Bare in mind ALOT of Russians are watching the news from outside sources aswell. I dont think Putlers propaganda is gonna have a major affect on the majority of the youth.

 

[bmk1245]

9 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

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Bare in mind ALOT of Russians are watching the news from outside sources aswell. I dont think Putlers propaganda is gonna have a major affect on the majority of the youth.

 

I'm watching ukrainian YT'ers (I subscribed to dozen+) live chatting with russians daily - majority of russians, close to 90% support putler, so thats tell a lot. There are some gems, Hitler would be astounded of ...

[Electric Scooter]

26 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

1) At what point cannon fodder needs to be trained...

2) With logistics slight problems - time.

3) russians aren't stupid that much, won't keep substantial forces on the west borders, as well on the eastern, cause NATO, nor China ain't stupid to invade country with nuclear response capabilities.

bonus) 20 year long propaganda brainwashed entire generation (putlerjugend), so, putler will have enough manpower to waste... Just look how many lives of youngsters hitler threw away...

Hitler was a bit different.

They couldn`t surrender after the war crimes they had been committing, so had to fight on. And they sure did. And towards the end the forces kept fighting while as many people as possible evacuated west so they would get raped or slaughtered by the approaching Russians.

[ThereWeAreThen]

2 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

I'm watching ukrainian YT'ers (I subscribed to dozen+) live chatting with russians daily - majority of russians, close to 90% support putler, so thats tell a lot. There are some gems, Hitler would be astounded of ...

Shame. Hopefully they see the truth eventually.

[Grey Area]

30 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Completely forgot to mention China thanks. People think they have a strong alliance...no they really dont theres so many cracks its unreal. UK and US is probably the strongest alliance in the world (between states not military alliance).

Stalin and the Soviet Union took the absolute p**s out of China during the Soviet era.  Back when China was emerging in the post war era, it desperately wanted close relations with Russia and to be respected.  Stalin exploited that to the fullest.

China will not have forgotten this, and likely will not be viewing Putin’s desire to return Russia its soviet former glory as a positive thing.

[bmk1245]

11 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Hitler was a bit different.

They couldn`t surrender after the war crimes they had been committing, so had to fight on. And they sure did. And towards the end the forces kept fighting while as many people as possible evacuated west so they would get raped or slaughtered by the approaching Russians.

What war crimes? Have in mind, not many knew about contentration camps.

[DarkHunter]

Russian factories are now refusing to take in and repair damaged military vehicles.  Seems its largely due to lack of parts to do the repairs and lack of pay from the Russian government.

https://gagadget.com/en/war/142687-russian-factories-refuse-to-repair-tanks-because-soldiers-sell-or-trade-all-the-parts-for-alcohol-amp/

For an economy going stronger than ever according to some the Russian government is having a rather difficult time in making payments.

[Occult1]

4 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

How long russia will be able to wage the war under the sanctions?

As long as China and India will keep buying cheap Russian oil and gas.

The most significant contribution to Putin’s war chest is oil revenue and so far the sanctions have failed to prevent that.

It just so happen that the world cannot do without fossil fuel.

 

''Despite looming sanctions and import bans, Russia exported $97.7 billion worth of fossil fuels in the first 100 days since its invasion of Ukraine, at an average of $977 million per day. '''

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Who-Is-Still-Buying-Russian-Oil-And-Gas.html

Edited July 5, 2022 by Occult1

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

NATO border, Ruzzia need troops on the NATO border  incase NATO do decide to intervene.

Yes, I saw a piece recently explaining that Russia was moving troops away from the border with Finland.  I think Putin's generals need trained men in Ukraine and realize they have no chance against NATO at this point.  IOW, they're desperate to get this finished.  The real crunch comes once they stop their offensive but aren't allowed to consolidate their hold due to continued attacks by Ukraine.  As is true in so many wars, it's easy to decide when to start a war but damned near impossible to control when it will end.

[+and-then]

6 hours ago, el midgetron said:

The European Commission has vowed to create a new emergency plan for member states to be able to reduce or remove Russian energy products, including pushing for more renewable sources of energy.

It seems to me that the EU, primarily Germany, should have done this kind of planning a decade ago.  At this point, it looks like a long cold winter ahead for the EU until they rearrange their sources for oil and gas.  I suspect India and China will be the main beneficiary of our sanctions against Putin.

[Occult1]

3 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

That is hopeful speculation, on your part. The fact that NATO has pledged to continuously provide Ukraine with more advanced weapons and (medium-long range) launching systems is a testament to the contrary of your claim. It simply does not align with NATO's actions.

NATO has only promised continuous heavy weapons support as long as the Russian offensive is ongoing. Once it over, I think we can reasonably expect them to scale down the deliveries.

 

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Which EU/NATO countries are those, specifically, besides France? We know that they are cowards, so they're not relevant.

Which countries? I have asked you this very same question in the past and you did not give me an answer.

France, Germany, Italy for exemple.

Italy's four-stage plan, which has a lot of support in EU/NATO, would feature a ceasefire, talks on Ukraine's 'international status', i.e. whether it is neutral, a bilateral agreement between Kyiv and Moscow on the contested areas of Crimea and Donbass, and a multilateral agreement on peace and security in Europe.

Italy Begins to Tire of War in Ukraine

https://cepa.org/italy-begins-to-tire-of-war-in-ukraine/

 

The west is starting to feel Ukraine fatigue

''The second side effect is democracies’ reversion to the mean. As fear of Putin has abated, the west’s spirit has begun to flag. The late and controversial former US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, differentiated between the response of “old Europe” and “new Europe” to the Iraq war. That division remains apparent with the public mood in Italy, France and Germany diverging from more gung-ho countries such as Poland. The UK, meanwhile, is causing irritation in Washington over its habit of boasting about things it has not delivered.''

https://www.ft.com/content/80faf9af-d11f-476f-8fc7-88d2c28e3620

Edited July 5, 2022 by Occult1

[el midgetron]

 

[bmk1245]

13 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

As long as China and India will keep buying cheap Russian oil and gas.

The most significant contribution to Putin’s war chest is oil revenue and so far the sanctions have failed to prevent that.

It just so happen that the world cannot do without fossil fuel.

 

''Despite looming sanctions and import bans, Russia exported $97.7 billion worth of fossil fuels in the first 100 days since its invasion of Ukraine, at an average of $977 million per day. '''

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Who-Is-Still-Buying-Russian-Oil-And-Gas.html

Main point - cheap, and India, and China will pay fraction of what western world payd. Net income from these ventures will be lower, so...

Having in mind, that even some Chinese companies are reluctant in dealings with russia... Ain't good for russia. 

BTW, are there gas/oil pipelines from russia to India?

[bmk1245]

9 minutes ago, and then said:

It seems to me that the EU, primarily Germany, should have done this kind of planning a decade ago.  At this point, it looks like a long cold winter ahead for the EU until they rearrange their sources for oil and gas.  I suspect India and China will be the main beneficiary of our sanctions against Putin.

Not seems, fact. Stupid green fantasies, corrupt Shroeder, and (possibly) Merkel, brought Europe for what we have now.

[el midgetron]

 

German journalist faces three years prison over reporting from eastern Ukraine

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/german-journalist-faces-three-years-prison-over-reporting-donbass-region

Geez, Germany sounds like a bunch of Nazis,,,,,,

[DarkHunter]

4 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

Not seems, fact. Stupid green fantasies, corrupt Shroeder, and (possibly) Merkel, brought Europe for what we have now.

France is guilty too, both France and Germany have been blocking Spain and Portugal from building pipelines over/through the Pyrenees mountains cause such natural gas would of competed with French nuclear power and Russian gas coming through Germany.  

There is a lot of corruption and bad deals in the current energy issues.

[Electric Scooter]

1 hour ago, bmk1245 said:

What war crimes? Have in mind, not many knew about contentration camps.

You don`t know what they were doing on the Eastern Front? The Russians sure did, it was them it was being done too.

[bmk1245]

9 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

 

Yakumoto Yapimay from Perl Harbour, streaming live: "Why americans bombing their own?! Not us! We not here! Japan to liberate opressed!"

Christ... I urge you to find reports from eastern frontlines delivered by german media...

Comedy gold...

[+Nuclear Wessel]

30 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

NATO has only promised continuous heavy weapons support as long as the Russian offensive is ongoing. Once it over, I think we can reasonably expect them to scale down the deliveries.

Once Russia is not illegally occupying their territory, you mean.

[Electric Scooter]

Why has the Ukrainian president now banned 15 political parties in Ukraine?

All those that look fondly at Russia are banned. Its supposed to be a democracy, so for those people who want to be with Russia why are they denied a voice in the political process?

The Ukraine president is running a pro-western dictatorship.

[Occult1]

Russia hammers Ukraine's Donetsk region after seizing Luhansk

''SLOVIANSK — Russian forces struck targets across Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region on Tuesday, a day after President Vladimir Putin declared victory in the neighboring province of Luhansk after months of grueling attritional warfare in which both sides lost many men.

Donetsk and Luhansk comprise the Donbas, the industrialized eastern part of Ukraine that has seen the biggest battle in Europe for generations. Russia says it wants to wrest control of the entire Donbas from Ukraine on behalf of Moscow-backed separatists in two self-proclaimed people’s republics.''

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/russia-hammers-ukraines-donetsk-region-after-seizing-luhansk

 

Should Ukraine prepare for a complete withdrawal from the Donbass?

 

Edited July 5, 2022 by Occult1

[Electric Scooter]

4 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia hammers Ukraine's Donetsk region after seizing Luhansk

''SLOVIANSK — Russian forces struck targets across Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region on Tuesday, a day after President Vladimir Putin declared victory in the neighboring province of Luhansk after months of grueling attritional warfare in which both sides lost many men.

Donetsk and Luhansk comprise the Donbas, the industrialized eastern part of Ukraine that has seen the biggest battle in Europe for generations. Russia says it wants to wrest control of the entire Donbas from Ukraine on behalf of Moscow-backed separatists in two self-proclaimed people’s republics.''

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/russia-hammers-ukraines-donetsk-region-after-seizing-luhansk

 

Should Ukraine prepare for a complete withdrawal from the Donbass?

 

The area they spent the last 2 months taken was mostly urban and contained 1/4 of the Ukrainian population.

They are expected to go faster now as there is a lot more open countryside.

[Occult1]

7 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The area they spent the last 2 months taken was mostly urban and contained 1/4 of the Ukrainian population.

They are expected to go faster now as there is a lot more open countryside.

It's the same pattern all over again, they are bombing the cr*p out of Ukrainian positions, then advancing to encircle them.

We all know where it's gonna lead to, so I wonder why should Ukraine waste more manpower and valuable materials in another undefendable quagmire?

Edited July 5, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

7 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The area they spent the last 2 months taken was mostly urban and contained 1/4 of the Ukrainian population.

They are expected to go faster now as there is a lot more open countryside.

Lunetsk and Donetsk combined do not equal a quarter of the population of Ukraine.  Ukraine has a population of approximately 45 million, combined Donetsk and Lunetsk have a population of 6.5 million which means it's about 14.5% of the Ukranian population.

Do you even check stuff before you post or do you just say stuff and hope no one checks it.

[Electric Scooter]

3 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

It's the same pattern all over again, they are bombing the cr*p out of Ukrainian positions, then advancing to encircle them.

We all know where it's gonna lead to, so I wonder why should Ukraine waste more manpower and valuable materials in another undefendable quagmire?

I agree, they should peace out now, and loose what is taken rather than half of Ukraine.

They have no hope of winning, a trickle of a few dozen tanks and artillery guns here and there is not going to stop them. Either NATO goes in full force, or Ukraine peaces out.