Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Helen of Annoy]

42 minutes ago, Myles said:

Are the oligarchs private citizens/companies.    I'm not sure how good it is to take their money for the actions on Putin.  

Russia is an oligarchy (with Putin being the top oligarch) and a kleptocracy (if they didn't steal so much, they'd actually have military similar to their propaganda). Each oligarch serves Putin, or ends up imprisoned, or murdered, and his property confiscated. All Russian business is under direct control of the regime. If some oligarch is still alive and still has a functioning business in Russia, he is by default an accomplice of Putin. This is why freezing and confiscating Russian property is essentially the same as freezing and confiscating any other money (and other assets) that was acquired by any "ordinary" criminal.

If you were to mug someone, or blackmail someone, or rob his house, everything you took would be confiscated and returned to the rightful owner, right? And Putin and his mob are no ordinary criminals, they are extraordinary genocidal war criminals that are destroying and pillaging Ukraine. 

There are a lot of investors already, interested in rebuilding Ukraine, but Russia owes Ukraine reparations. Russia must pay for the damage it caused in Ukraine. Russian property in the West won't be enough to cover these expenses, but the point is that the whole world must be reminded that attempting to occupy, loot and destroy a neighboring country will not be tolerated and will not be profitable for the aggressor.    

 

41 minutes ago, Myles said:

I guess it is good that there are so many with guns in the USA.   

No, not really. I'm not against guns, at all, but I am against letting just anyone wave a gun around.   

In case of an actual war, you still have to be a part of organized, legal military force, or you'll just be an additional nuisance for your actual armed forces. You can't have your own war by your own terms, that's something your country will organize. War is a team sport.  

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

31 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I`m not a socialist or communist. I`m a capitalist.

[Grim Reaper 6]

52 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Cough, it never happens to Britain.

We always win. Don`t worry Ukraine, the Angle-Saxons will save you!

No the British don’t always win Cookie Monster, ever heard of the American Revolutionary War, and then you guys were foolish enough to come back and try again until Colonel Jackson sent you packen during the Battle of New Orleans in 1814.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Oh, yes... and it's getting better with each day... 

 

 

They call that form of Armored Personal Carrier a Grenade catcher, they are really great at containing the blast from Grenades, both hand thrown and rocket propelled. The more Russians packed inside the less fragmentation that will escape when a hand grenade in thrown inside with them, which protects anyone outside from shrapnel! 

[Duke Wellington]

21 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

It's definitely not a good thing for Russia.

Nope, firstly apologies Ukrainians (and Russians) who might die, but the war is good TV and YouTube.

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 hours ago, Myles said:

Oh, staying neutral would not be an option I would even consider.    I just would not have spent as much as they have.   The disparity is far too much, especially when the USA is not a target more than the other countries.  

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/

Like I said previously that is the problem with being a Super Power and unfortunately it can’t be avoided! But, even with your graph above your not factoring in the money our Nation will receive from current and future weapons sales. 

Edited July 6, 2022 by Manwon Lender

[Duke Wellington]

11 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

No the British don’t always win Cookie Monster, ever heard of the American Revolutionary War, and then you guys were foolish enough to come back and try again until Colonel Jackson sent you packen during the Battle of New Orleans in 1814.

 

You are talking about Britain vs Britain, and Britain won, and renamed itself America.

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, Cookie Monster said:

You are talking about Britain vs Britain, and Britain won, and renamed itself America.

Um I think your having a senior moment, just calm down and place you head between your legs and take deep breath’s just don’t break wind!

[+Nuclear Wessel]

23 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Nope, firstly apologies Ukrainians (and Russians) who might die, but the war is good TV and YouTube.

Yes, human suffering makes for great TV and YouTube.

[Trelane]

The fight pushes on...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/war-in-ukraine-ukrainian-special-forces-and-artillery-wipe-out-russian-multiple-launch-rocket-systems/vi-AAZfNv0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1b4801357b4c425dac6c99483cb8767b

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 minutes ago, Trelane said:

The fight pushes on...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/war-in-ukraine-ukrainian-special-forces-and-artillery-wipe-out-russian-multiple-launch-rocket-systems/vi-AAZfNv0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1b4801357b4c425dac6c99483cb8767b

Latest battle update on the current situation in the Ukraine, this was posted less than an hour ago!

 

[+Hammerclaw]

46 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

No the British don’t always win Cookie Monster, ever heard of the American Revolutionary War, and then you guys were foolish enough to come back and try again until Colonel Jackson sent you packen during the Battle of New Orleans in 1814.

 

Not exactly. The British paid a horrific price in casualties, their command structure was, basically, wiped out, command devolving down to a junior officer who, horrified by the slaughter, called a retreat and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[Grim Reaper 6]

Russians use their tanks as mine detectors!

 

 

[el midgetron]

1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

Respectfully I never sad or intimated that you could not talk about anything you choose to that’s in-line with the context of this thread.

 

On 6/24/2022 at 3:23 AM, Manwon Lender said:

Hello El Midgetron, please keep your political rhetoric out of this thread,

Leave me out of your comments. Comment all you want about the content I post. Stopped commenting about the poster. Every discussion I’ve ever had with you deteriorates quickly into you focusing the content of your posts on the poster, not the content of the posts.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

27 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

 

Leave me out of your comments. Comment all you want about the content I post. Stopped commenting about the poster. Every discussion I’ve ever had with you deteriorates quickly into you focusing the content of your posts on the poster, not the content of the posts.

 

First respectfully don’t give give me orders, and second you are the content of your posts.

Use ignore that’s what it is for!

Last, every post you have ever made on this forum is from a stand point of political rhetoric so how is what you ask even possible. This isn’t a political thread, this thread is about Russian Aggression and the destabilization of Europe not an imaginary political agenda!

However, I will try as much as possible to keep my comments directed at the content of your posts as you request!

Edited July 6, 2022 by Manwon Lender

[Duke Wellington]

47 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

First respectfully don’t give give me orders, and second you are the content of your posts.

Use ignore that’s what it is for!

Last, every post you have ever made on this forum is from a stand point of political rhetoric so how is what you ask even possible. This isn’t a political thread, this thread is about Russian Aggression and the destabilization of Europe not an imaginary political agenda!

However, I will try as much as possible to keep my comments directed at the content of your posts as you request!

You naughty boy!

[Grim Reaper 6]

39 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

You naughty boy!

Naughty certainly not, politics has its place but this thread is no the right place for it. Unlike some others my only motivation for being a member of this forum is not for adding a political agenda to every post I make, I post in threads from ET to the supernatural. There is a place for politics, but in a thread about World domination and Russian aggression there is no room for such nonsense, fricken real people are being raped, murdered, and ethnic cleansing is being propagated against people no other reason than aggression.

Sorry if you disagree but that’s the facts Jack, peace!

[Occult1]

Ukraine should hand territory to PUTIN, Germans say in poll with doubts over West's arms

''Polling suggests, however, that most Germans do not believe Ukrainian forces are capable of succeeding in pushing their Russian counterparts out of the occupied territories.

Sixty-nine percent said that even if the West continues to increase its level of arms support for Ukraine, a full victory is not possible.

As a result of this, close to half of those polled said Ukraine should be ready to make territorial concessions in negotiations.''

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1636372/ukraine-news-hand-territory-Vladimir-Putin-germany

 

More and more Europeans seem to think that Ukraine should be steered into making concessions...People are starting to question the policies of arming Ukraine without any kind of peace plan or negotiation with Russia, which spells trouble for European politicians in the long run. I wonder how many germans will still be in favor of these same policies in the next winter? Probably not a lot.

Edited July 7, 2022 by Occult1

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine should hand territory to PUTIN, Germans say in poll with doubts over West's arms

''Polling suggests, however, that most Germans do not believe Ukrainian forces are capable of succeeding in pushing their Russian counterparts out of the occupied territories.

Sixty-nine percent said that even if the West continues to increase its level of arms support for Ukraine, a full victory is not possible.

As a result of this, close to half of those polled said Ukraine should be ready to make territorial concessions in negotiations.''

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1636372/ukraine-news-hand-territory-Vladimir-Putin-germany

 

More and more Europeans seem to think that Ukraine should be steered into making concessions...People are starting to question the policies of arming Ukraine without any kind of peace plan or negotiation with Russia, which spells trouble for European politicians in the long run. I wonder how many germans will still be in favor of these same policies in the winter? Probably not a lot.

Thanks for your post, but if you going to make comments and post a source, please fact check it before you post it because this source has no credibility at all! This article is from a tabloid like the National Enquirer, for people with simple minds which doesn’t apply to the members if this forum in general. 

Overall, we rate the Daily Express Right Biased based on editorial content and Mixed for factual reporting due to publishing conspiracies & pseudoscience and a few failed fact checks.

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JIMHO

[Grim Reaper 6]

15 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine should hand territory to PUTIN, Germans say in poll with doubts over West's arms

''Polling suggests, however, that most Germans do not believe Ukrainian forces are capable of succeeding in pushing their Russian counterparts out of the occupied territories.

Sixty-nine percent said that even if the West continues to increase its level of arms support for Ukraine, a full victory is not possible.

As a result of this, close to half of those polled said Ukraine should be ready to make territorial concessions in negotiations.''

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1636372/ukraine-news-hand-territory-Vladimir-Putin-germany

 

More and more Europeans seem to think that Ukraine should be steered into making concessions...People are starting to question the policies of arming Ukraine without any kind of peace plan or negotiation with Russia, which spells trouble for European politicians in the long run. I wonder how many germans will still be in favor of these same policies in the winter? Probably not a lot.

 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

17 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine should hand territory to PUTIN, Germans say in poll with doubts over West's arms

''Polling suggests, however, that most Germans do not believe Ukrainian forces are capable of succeeding in pushing their Russian counterparts out of the occupied territories.

Sixty-nine percent said that even if the West continues to increase its level of arms support for Ukraine, a full victory is not possible.

As a result of this, close to half of those polled said Ukraine should be ready to make territorial concessions in negotiations.''

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1636372/ukraine-news-hand-territory-Vladimir-Putin-germany

 

More and more Europeans seem to think that Ukraine should be steered into making concessions...People are starting to question the policies of arming Ukraine without any kind of peace plan or negotiation with Russia, which spells trouble for European politicians in the long run. I wonder how many germans will still be in favor of these same policies in the next winter? Probably not a lot.

I'm glad that the people of Germany have no say in the matter.

[el midgetron]

Ukraine still relies heavily on Russian-made weapons and will need to turn to other countries outside of NATO to secure enough Soviet-era arms and ammunition to keep up its fight against Moscow, according to a new report.

Eastern European countries in NATO already have handed over most of their spare Soviet-origin systems to Ukraine, but there’s an untapped supply of the Russian-manufactured weapons around the world, including in countries that have publicly supported Kyiv, the report by the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies think tank said.

The United States and other Western countries should help Ukraine get access to those Soviet-made weapons, including artillery rounds, air defense systems and armored vehicles, the think tank said

“Although Washington has scoured the stocks of NATO allies and the Pentagon has explored other potential options, an exhaustive search focusing on non-NATO countries reveals a robust supply of untapped Soviet- and Russian-made arms (and their attendant spare parts and ammunition) that Washington could help Kyiv expeditiously acquire,” the report said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/west-help-ukraine-get-russian-made-weapons-ammo-world-think-tank-says-rcna36809

So, first the sanctions didn’t work like planned and now the war has created a demand for Russian weaponry….

[Occult1]

22 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Thanks for your post, but if you going to make comments and post a source, please fact check it before you post it because this source has no credibility at all! This article is from a tabloid like the National Enquirer, for people with simple minds which doesn’t apply to the members if this forum in general. 

Overall, we rate the Daily Express Right Biased based on editorial content and Mixed for factual reporting due to publishing conspiracies & pseudoscience and a few failed fact checks.

Detailed Report

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Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: United Kingdom
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Media Type: Newspaper
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Analysis / Bias

The Daily Express is a British right-wing tabloid newspaper that routinely utilizes sensational headlines such as this: NATO TERRIFIED: Trump may ‘seriously undermine’ alliance in Putin meeting – world on ALERT. Articles are typically written by journalists or correspondents and are reasonably sourced to credible information. However, like many tabloids, the Daily Express also publishes conspiracy and pseudoscience articles such as these:  ‘Portal OPENS’ above New Jersey with some fearing it’s a sign of PLANET X  and Could this strange corpse be the world’s first proof aliens have visited Earth?

JIMHO

Except that the information is easily verifiable. You are attacking the source but ignoring the content of the article.

The poll comes from RTL/ntv’s. The Daily Express is simply reporting on it.

I can find you the original NTV article in german:

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Russland-Ukraine-Krieg-Mehrheit-der-Deutschen-haelt-Bundesregierung-fuer-konzeptlos-article23443407.html

 

Also from your quote:

''Articles are typically written by journalists or correspondents and are reasonably sourced to credible information.''

Edited July 7, 2022 by Occult1

[Occult1]

19 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I'm glad that the people of Germany have no say in the matter.

Well they have a say in the matter, since Ukraine is constantly petitioning the EU for more support.

Ukraine is totally dependent on foreign support at this point in it's war against Russia.

Edited July 7, 2022 by Occult1

[Grim Reaper 6]

8 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Except that the information is easily verifiable. You are attacking the source but ignoring the content of the article.

The poll comes from RTL/ntv’s. The Daily Express is simply reporting on it.

I can find you the original NTV article in german:

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Russland-Ukraine-Krieg-Mehrheit-der-Deutschen-haelt-Bundesregierung-fuer-konzeptlos-article23443407.html

 

Also from your quote:

''Articles are typically written by journalists or correspondents and are reasonably sourced to credible information.''

Thanks for the link in German I enjoy reading in my first language, do you read German? However, you should translate the article so the forum members can also read it, unlike me German is not their first language and your comments about what it’s says are not accurate!

Yes the bolded comments are from my quote but you left part of the sentence you referenced out, I suppose you were not intentionally trying to be disingenuous! Below, is the full sentence as stated in the post you quoted:

Articles are typically written by journalists or correspondents and are reasonably sourced to credible information. However, like many tabloids, the Daily Express also publishes conspiracy and pseudoscience articles.