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Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?


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2 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Financial support is still support. Nice try though.:tu:

Hi Trelane

China has not supported Russia's invasion for the most part and doubt they will supply military aide/weapons as they have oil contracts and land disputes and just sit out hoping Russia gets a beat down so they can take advantage of the situation. Russia will be bankrupt and need help China will take resource contracts for extraction and fabrication so it doesn't work in their benefit by openly supporting either side and be publicly civil to both.

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3 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Trelane

China has not supported Russia's invasion for the most part and doubt they will supply military aide/weapons as they have oil contracts and land disputes and just sit out hoping Russia gets a beat down so they can take advantage of the situation. Russia will be bankrupt and need help China will take resource contracts for extraction and fabrication so it doesn't work in their benefit by openly supporting either side and be publicly civil to both.

Financial support through enhanced trade initiatives. Helping bolster the Russian economy against sanctions. I agree, China is just as devious as Russia and are likely plotting contingencies if the Russian state falls.

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8 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Financial support through enhanced trade initiatives. Helping bolster the Russian economy against sanctions. I agree, China is just as devious as Russia and are likely plotting contingencies if the Russian state falls.

Hi Trelane

Yes when they leave their borders for business they are capitalists working in capitalist countries no different than Russian mafia in the west. In my home town because it was going through a huge development process companies from China said that if the city moved their railroad switching station to one area of the city they would build warehouses and factories/processing plants because of access. Actually if the city did relocate those rail lines they could use those deleted routes to create a rapid transit system cost effectively because the right of way already exists.

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44 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Financial support is still support. Nice try though.:tu:

That's beside the point.

Ukraine is completely reliant on Western military support. If the weapons and ammunition deliveries are stopped, it's over.

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13 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

That's beside the point.

Ukraine is completely reliant on Western military support. If the weapons and ammunition deliveries are stopped, it's over.

Hi Occult

Do you really think the deliveries and training will stop? I do not think you understand the global position on this conflict and fluff around the edges of speculation with regards to what this issue really involves.

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6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine should hand territory to PUTIN, Germans say in poll with doubts over West's arms

''Polling suggests, however, that most Germans do not believe Ukrainian forces are capable of succeeding in pushing their Russian counterparts out of the occupied territories.

Sixty-nine percent said that even if the West continues to increase its level of arms support for Ukraine, a full victory is not possible.

As a result of this, close to half of those polled said Ukraine should be ready to make territorial concessions in negotiations.''

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1636372/ukraine-news-hand-territory-Vladimir-Putin-germany

 

More and more Europeans seem to think that Ukraine should be steered into making concessions...People are starting to question the policies of arming Ukraine without any kind of peace plan or negotiation with Russia, which spells trouble for European politicians in the long run. I wonder how many germans will still be in favor of these same policies in the next winter? Probably not a lot.

And I agree with them.

The Ukrainian people have a bad deal here. On one side they are being invaded, on the other there is NATO trying to use them as a proxy war, and who suffers? The Ukrainian people, its them coming home in body bags. NATO is neither ending it (by deploying into Ukraine) or doing anywhere enough for them to beat Russia. All that has happened is their country has been turned into a meat grinder as slowly they loose ground to Russia.

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6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine should hand territory to PUTIN, Germans say in poll with doubts over West's arms

''Polling suggests, however, that most Germans do not believe Ukrainian forces are capable of succeeding in pushing their Russian counterparts out of the occupied territories.

Sixty-nine percent said that even if the West continues to increase its level of arms support for Ukraine, a full victory is not possible.

As a result of this, close to half of those polled said Ukraine should be ready to make territorial concessions in negotiations.''

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1636372/ukraine-news-hand-territory-Vladimir-Putin-germany

 

More and more Europeans seem to think that Ukraine should be steered into making concessions...People are starting to question the policies of arming Ukraine without any kind of peace plan or negotiation with Russia, which spells trouble for European politicians in the long run. I wonder how many germans will still be in favor of these same policies in the next winter? Probably not a lot.

Dude seriously, you're citing the express? The Express????????????

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26 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

On one side they are being invaded, on the other there is NATO trying to use them as a proxy war,

Hi Cookie

They are not being used they are being invaded there is a difference. I have had people in trouble come to me for help and gave it to them according to the situation and how they presented it. I was neither NATO or the US I was just one guy that lived in a world of conflict and there are billions in the world. Just because you like youtube videos of people in distress does not mean the effects are not real. This is not a video game and most of the concerned world do not support these abuses.

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7 hours ago, Occult1 said:

If Russia really use Chinese tires, they have bought them before the invasion, which doesn't prove your point. They could have bought Michelin XZL tires instead.

The US is also dependent on other countries to source some it's components:

Biden humiliated as reliance on RUSSIA for weapon ammo exposed – and it includes nuclear

''In spite of being the world’s largest military force, as well as enjoying the largest military budget, the US depends on two of its sworn adversaries to produce its ammunition and military equipment. The reliance comes in the form of a key mineral required in the production of such hardware, and something that is in short supply in the US.

Antimony is a critical element in producing many military items including armour-piercing bullets, explosives and nuclear weapons.''

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1623040/joe-biden-russia-china-weapon-supply-ammo-bullets-nuclear-defence-news

 

More nonsense from a Tabloid News site, if this were true the entire world would be reporting it. But, honesty, Truth and Honor mean nothing to you at all do they, you truly are disingenuous man I was previously wrong about you!:no:

Are you capable of seeing the bolded remarks from the fact check below, I am certain that you do because that’s exactly what your propagating in you post above, misinformation, disinformation abs conspiracy theories.

Oh and by the way, this is another month old article like the last one you posted earlier today are you stuck in a time loop or is there no recent Propaganda to post!:D

Overall, we rate the Daily Express Right Biased based on editorial content and Mixed for factual reporting due to publishing conspiracies & pseudoscience and a few failed fact checks.

Detailed Report

Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: United Kingdom
Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: HighTraffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: MEDIUM CREDIBILITY

Analysis / Bias

The Daily Express is a British right-wing tabloid newspaper that routinely utilizes sensational headlines such as this: NATO TERRIFIED: Trump may ‘seriously undermine’ alliance in Putin meeting – world on ALERT. Articles are typically written by journalists or correspondents and are reasonably sourced to credible information. However, like many tabloids, the Daily Express also publishes conspiracy and pseudoscience articles such as these:  ‘Portal OPENS’ above New Jersey with some fearing it’s a sign of PLANET X  and Could this strange corpse be the world’s first proof aliens have visited Earth?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-express/

 

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1 hour ago, godnodog said:

Dude seriously, you're citing the express? The Express????????????

The guy is lost he has been doing it all in other posts, even after his source was proven to be a tabloid news source he continues to spread their Propaganda and Misinformation kinda sad!

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4 hours ago, Trelane said:

Financial support through enhanced trade initiatives. Helping bolster the Russian economy against sanctions. I agree, China is just as devious as Russia and are likely plotting contingencies if the Russian state falls.

Yes they certainly are, and currently they are stirring the pot here in Asia. They have their Little Dog Kim firing Missiles, while they continue to create tension with Japan and South Korea. But, the New South Korean President has a pair, now when North Korea fires a Missile South Korea fires 5. On the news this morning here in Korea the Korean President was taking about starting to use the new Missile Technology from the US to start shooting down North Korean Missiles when they are fired, this new President is not interested in very lovely letters like some idiots have been!:D

i believe that if China and Russia have fully team up, the real invasion of Taiwan will occur sooner than most think. I believe it will occur while the conflict in the Ukraine is at its hight to create tension and conflict on two fronts. If this happens that will signal the true beginning of the Third World War and I don’t think many on this forum truly understand this!:tu:

Take care my friend, hope this finds you and family healthy and safe!:tu:

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6 hours ago, Likely Guy said:

Americans go 'month/day/year' while Europeans go 'day/month/year'

it's a common misconception..

Don’t tell him that, it’s classified intelligence. But actually in the US is sometimes written in both ways it all depends upon the purpose othe date is being used for!

Here is the standard US Format and why the date is written that way, and all because of the British!:D

The United States is one of the few countries that use “mm-dd-yyyy” as their date format–which is very very unique! The day is written first and the year last in most countries (dd-mm-yyyy) and some nations, such as Iran, Korea, and China, write the year first and the day last (yyyy-mm-dd). But why did Americans choose to write the month first? One of the hypotheses is that the United States borrowed the way it was written from the United Kingdom who used it before the 20th century and then later changed it to match Europe (dd-mm-yyyy). American colonists liked their original format and it’s been that way ever since.

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5 hours ago, Occult1 said:

That's beside the point.

Ukraine is completely reliant on Western military support. If the weapons and ammunition deliveries are stopped, it's over.

Here is a complete listing of all Russian Military loses since the beginning of the invasion including approximately 36,500 soldiers hope you enjoy the video it is approximately 13 hours old so it’s up to date not a month or more old!:tu:

 

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4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

And I agree with them.

The Ukrainian people have a bad deal here. On one side they are being invaded, on the other there is NATO trying to use them as a proxy war, and who suffers? The Ukrainian people, its them coming home in body bags. NATO is neither ending it (by deploying into Ukraine) or doing anywhere enough for them to beat Russia. All that has happened is their country has been turned into a meat grinder as slowly they loose ground to Russia.

Not much longer, very soon it appears according to many sources including the Prime Minister of the UK that NATO is preparing to join the ground war in the Ukraine. It’s appears you have not been paying attention, all NATO Countries in clouding the United States are sending Soldier’s and vast amounts of equipment to NATO Nations that boarder the Ukraine or Russia like Poland for instance. They are not building up these forces for defense they are doing it for offense operations in the Ukrainian Conflict.

 

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9 hours ago, Occult1 said:

A month old? The german article I posted is dated:

06.07.2022, 11:40 Uhr

Ok! 

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11 hours ago, Occult1 said:

If Russia really use Chinese tires, they have bought them before the invasion, which doesn't prove your point. They could have bought Michelin XZL tires instead.

The US is also dependent on other countries to source some it's components:

Biden humiliated as reliance on RUSSIA for weapon ammo exposed – and it includes nuclear

''In spite of being the world’s largest military force, as well as enjoying the largest military budget, the US depends on two of its sworn adversaries to produce its ammunition and military equipment. The reliance comes in the form of a key mineral required in the production of such hardware, and something that is in short supply in the US.

Antimony is a critical element in producing many military items including armour-piercing bullets, explosives and nuclear weapons.''

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1623040/joe-biden-russia-china-weapon-supply-ammo-bullets-nuclear-defence-news

 

You frequently cite that source. Express is not known as being particularly reliable given that they often post sensationalist articles, and take things out of context. Surely you can do better than citing a tabloid, right?

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8 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

And I agree with them.

The Ukrainian people have a bad deal here. On one side they are being invaded, on the other there is NATO trying to use them as a proxy war, and who suffers? The Ukrainian people, its them coming home in body bags. NATO is neither ending it (by deploying into Ukraine) or doing anywhere enough for them to beat Russia. All that has happened is their country has been turned into a meat grinder as slowly they loose ground to Russia.

Cookie Monster only you would!:lol:

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8 hours ago, godnodog said:

Dude seriously, you're citing the express? The Express????????????

Manwon already criticized the Express as a source. Neither the story or poll originated in the Express. The Express is just one of the first English language sites to carry the story. The poll was conducted by the German company RTL and the story was originally published by one of RTL’s channels called N-TV. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTL_Group

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-tv

 

14 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Except that the information is easily verifiable. You are attacking the source but ignoring the content of the article.

The poll comes from RTL/ntv’s. The Daily Express is simply reporting on it.

I can find you the original NTV article in german:

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Russland-Ukraine-Krieg-Mehrheit-der-Deutschen-haelt-Bundesregierung-fuer-konzeptlos-article23443407.html

 

Also from your quote:

''Articles are typically written by journalists or correspondents and are reasonably sourced to credible information.''

 

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Russia taking 'operational pause' in Ukraine, analysts say

Foreign analysts say Russia may be temporarily easing its offensive in Ukraine as it reassembles its forces for a renewed assault

KYIV, Ukraine -- Foreign analysts say Russia may be temporarily easing its offensive in eastern Ukraine as the Russian military attempts to reassemble its forces for a significant - and what it hopes could prove decisive - offensive to conquer the neighboring country. 

On Wednesday, Russian forces made no claimed or assessed territorial gains in Ukraine “for the first time in 133 days of war,” according to the Institute for the Study of War. The think tank based in Washington suggested that Moscow may be taking an “operational pause,” but that it does not entail "the complete cessation of active hostilities."

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-taking-operational-pause-ukraine-analysts-86356546

 

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What does Volodymyr Zelenskyy seek from the war and what concessions can he reasonably make?

As the Russian invasion of Ukraine enters its fifth month, many west European leaders, former government officials, and policymakers are calling for peace negotiations to end the war.

Many cite the certainty that many more Ukrainian civilians will die and that more destruction will be inflicted on the country, while one analyst repeated the argument that a prolonged war continues to cause a “higher risk of escalation . . . between Russia and NATO,” although there is as yet no sign of this happening. The pro-peace camp does seem to have a compelling argument — ending the conflict would not only secure peace in Europe, but it would also end the destruction of Ukraine’s cities, release grain stockpiles, cool commodity prices, and thereby global inflation, and allow the diplomats to replace the guns.

Who could possibly object?

Ukraine for a start. 
 

https://cepa.org/ukraines-terms-for-peace/

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I've got no time for proper digging, but it seems at first glance that the poll originated at ntv, German weather channel. Then TASS, Russian news agency, gleefully presented it as the proof Ukraine will have to make concessions. 

Even if it was accurate representation of public opinion in Germany, it's still 40something versus 40 something. 

The question whether territory should be exchanged for peace is false, by the way, because Russia wants all of Ukraine and once consolidated, it wants to continue the expansion. 

Ukrainians are aware of it, some Germans still don't want to believe it is so. This is why otherwise sane but not informed enough people may fall into that trap of thinking making concessions to Russia is a good, or at least not suicidal idea.   

 

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Just now, Helen of Annoy said:

The question whether territory should be exchanged for peace is false, by the way, because Russia wants all of Ukraine and once consolidated, it wants to continue the expansion. 

Of course Russia does - Lukashenko had Moldova on the invasion map during their security briefing, and it makes complete sense, as there is a breakaway region in Moldova called Transnistria, which has Russian troops stationed there (despite the fact that Moldova does NOT want Russia there, and the fact that it's a neutral country). I reckon if they (Russia) take Odessa they are going to push from there up into Moldova to try and take that, too. Just to ice the cake.

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Ukraine struggling now, but winter will be even worse: UNHCR chief

While the Russian military advance in eastern Ukraine continues to escalate, the UN refugee agency, UNCHR, on Thursday warned that the winter months are very likely to be extremely harsh on millions of people affected by the war.

Since the Russian invasion on 24 February, more than 11.5 million people have had to flee their homes in Ukraine, and some 6.3 million are internally displaced.

….Access to water and healthcare there remains worryingly limited”, noted OCHA’s assessment. “Lack of access to electricity remains at an alarming level: more than 625,000 users, including families, businesses and public institutions in Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts, have not had electricity for weeks on end.”….

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/07/1122102

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14 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Of course Russia does - Lukashenko had Moldova on the invasion map during their security briefing, and it makes complete sense, as there is a breakaway region in Moldova called Transnistria, which has Russian troops stationed there (despite the fact that Moldova does NOT want Russia there, and the fact that it's a neutral country). I reckon if they (Russia) take Odessa they are going to push from there up into Moldova to try and take that, too. Just to ice the cake.

I don't think it's likely Russia will take Odessa. Not to hex it, but the counteroffensive seems to prioritize pushing orcs out of the South.  

Also, Ukrainians say that "something new we've got" is taking Russian missiles out of the sky at very satisfying rate, Ukrainian artillery has started to do the exact thing that may win the war (destroy depots, command centers and logistic flow), so call me an optimist but there might be some significant changes, soonish. Not to hex it. *knocks on wood*

Moldova will reintegrate Transnistria, even if it takes union with Romania. Now Moldova is a candidate for the EU, so it would be kosher, given the circumstances. Also, what Russians have in Transnistria is pathetic. (It would perfect if NATO would demilitarize that, which is not as impossible as it seems. It would send just the right message to Putin.)  

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Russia’s parliament on Wednesday rushed through two bills imposing strict controls on the economy, requiring businesses to supply goods to the armed forces and obliging employees at some firms to work overtime.

Once signed into law by President Vladimir Putin, the bills will allow the government to introduce “special economic measures” during what the Kremlin calls its “special military operation” in Ukraine.

Russia's parliament passes sweeping wartime economic controls | Cyprus Mail (cyprus-mail.com)

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