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Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?


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24 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Ukraine's application to join the EU has been approved. The vote will take place at 16.30 (not sure which time-zone).

Will this not make EU economically weaker? Plus how will they handle switching currency and influx of immigrants? Does that mean that they are obligated to provide immediate defense support including troops to their new EU member.?

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Scroll down to second section for video. Keep scrolling. A lot in this link.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/russia-ukraine/?id=82467772#83178789

Diplomats from Western countries were seen on video walking out in protest as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov addressed the U.N. Human Rights Council and Conference on Disarmament.

Google on Tuesday said it had blocked RT and Sputnik, Russian state-linked channels, from YouTube in Europe.

 

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17 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

The same reasons all the war criminal countries are - they have nukes and/or got in on the ground floor.

Russia inherited USSR seat. But USSR wasn't Russia alone. Since Russia is not hiding their intention to commit acts of war against countries that were constitutional republics that formed USSR, there's no logic in letting them keep that seat that should have been emptied once USSR fell apart. 

And little sack of **** threatened the world with nukes. It's quite plausible he actually does start using nukes, first, not in self-defence. Which is why throwing Russia out of UN Security Council is an urgent matter.  

Once this festival is over, Russian nuclear arsenal will have to be dismantled. 

I know you think I'm joking or dreaming, but it's not as far fetched as it sounds. 

Russia will be totally devastated with this war. It will have no means of keeping nukes secure. 

 

Having Russia in UN Security Council is as productive as if NK was there and they very likely don't have an actual legal right to that seat.   

After all, Lavrov intended to have a presentation in UN Human Rights Council today and more than 140 diplomats walked out in protest. 

Russia is dysfunctional, aggressive hive of crime and they are obstructing the UN.    

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18 hours ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”

Sun Tzu

Correct. 

But you don't keep a rabid dog closer, you need very different procedures to handle that. 

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4 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Correct. 

But you don't keep a rabid dog closer, you need very different procedures to handle that. 

You shoot and kill a rabid dog.

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17 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said:

Now the Wagner mercenaries will be commiting genocide in Ukraine, to "cleanse" it. I'm not at all sure economic sanctions will be enough. 

First Kadirov's Chechens and now Wagner group too had a very unpleasant revelation about their abilities when in conflict with highly motivated, well armed and damn smart people.  

Kadirov is not going back to attack Ukraine again because he realized on time that he might lose control over his own home territory if he spends too much of his men in Ukraine. Etc. 

Sanctions will destroy Russian economy, western volunteers and material aid will drive Putin insane on top of helping Ukrainians and Ukrainians are doing their job amazingly well and they won't stop. Ever.

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37 minutes ago, kartikg said:

Will this not make EU economically weaker? Plus how will they handle switching currency and influx of immigrants? Does that mean that they are obligated to provide immediate defense support including troops to their new EU member.?

I don't know the answer to any of these questions. :lol:

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9 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

First Kadirov's Chechens and now Wagner group too had a very unpleasant revelation about their abilities when in conflict with highly motivated, well armed and damn smart people.  

Kadirov is not going back because he realized on time that he might lose control over his own home territory if he spends too much of his men in Ukraine. Etc. 

Sanctions will destroy Russian economy, western volunteers and material aid will drive Putin insane on top of helping Ukrainians and Ukrainians are doing their job amazingly well and they won't stop. Ever.

Drive Putin insane ? If he's becoming more insane it could even going nuclear at this rate... someone there for toppling him ?

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18 minutes ago, Jon the frog said:

Drive Putin insane ? If he's becoming more insane it could even going nuclear at this rate... someone there for toppling him ?

His minister of defense is my guess. He's got access and means to do it. And he's got realistic data about Russian losses and can assess this is already too costly for Russia and it's only going to be even worse. 

 

Putin is not a suicidal type. He won't end his life, though he'd love to nuke everyone right now, since his carefully constructed though and all-powerful guy image was reduced to crap strategist, not scary enough extortionist, murderer of children and what's far more important for the oligarchs, murderer of their cushy lifestyle... etc. 

I guess Ukraine with assistance of the West will soon send him into total meltdown. He's already not realistic anymore and he's about to become irrational. Which is when Duma (Russian parliament, useless due to stupidity, fanaticism and/or cowardice) or the military has to step in.  

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57 minutes ago, kartikg said:

Will this not make EU economically weaker? Plus how will they handle switching currency and influx of immigrants? Does that mean that they are obligated to provide immediate defense support including troops to their new EU member.?

It will affect the EU economy, Russia exports lots of gas and grain for example, this can be replaced in the longer term. But it will probably mean sidelining the Green policies to cut out coal and keep oil going.

One solution would be to connect the UK gas and oil reserves in the north sea with a Nord Stream type pipe line.

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1 hour ago, kartikg said:

Will this not make EU economically weaker? Plus how will they handle switching currency and influx of immigrants? Does that mean that they are obligated to provide immediate defense support including troops to their new EU member.?

At first, the EU gets a country bombed into ruin by Russia. The expenses will be astronomical. So will be the benefits in few years. 

Currency is switched at pace that suits both the EU and the particular country. For example, my country will switch to Euro next year.

EU has no army yet. (You bet this crap will speed that process too.) But every EU country is either NATO country, or NATO-friendly country. So if Ukraine is theoretically in EU but not in NATO, there's no obligation by treaty, but there is obligation by both ethics and common sense. 

Which is why weapons and volunteers from the EU are pouring in Ukraine right now.  

 

The reason why Ukrainians are literally dying to join the EU (this all started with Russian puppet president announcing Ukraine won't continue the process of developing closer relations with the EU) is because Ukraine is Europe. The EU is not complete without Ukraine.  

Ukrainians are sacrificing themselves in defense of Europe, both in obvious strategic sense, but also in the sense of helping EU cut ties with Russian oligarchy. EU has to develop extremely close and warm relations with future Russia, the one that will rise from rubble of Putin's psychopathy. But that's future. Right now, it's a gigantic favour that dirty oligarch money and influence is being thrown out of EUrope.  

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French government gets a bit over excited - 

French minister declares economic 'war' on Russia, and then beats a retreat.

French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire declared an "all-out economic and financial war" against Russia

Le Maire later told French news agency AFP he had misspoken and that the term "war" was not compatible with France's efforts to de-escalate tensions.

https://www.reuters.com/world/france-declares-economic-war-against-russia-2022-03-01/

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UK becomes first country in world to ban all ships with Russian connection from its waters.

This afternoon, Tuesday March 1, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said on Twitter: "We've just become the first nation to pass a law involving a total ban of all ships with any Russian connection whatsoever from entering British ports."

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/uk-becomes-first-country-in-world-to-ban-all-ships-with-russian-connection-from-its-waters/237205

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19 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

It will affect the EU economy, Russia exports lots of gas and grain for example, this can be replaced in the longer term. But it will probably mean sidelining the Green policies to cut out coal and keep oil going.

One solution would be to connect the UK gas and oil reserves in the north sea with a Nord Stream type pipe line.

No. The EU does not need UK gas. Nothing personal, simply no need. Norway is reliable supplier. Unless Norway explicitly wants one day to lower their quota for the EU.  

Algeria is already delivering more and they'll build infrastructure for even more, for example. Same with Qatar and other suppliers. Total amount of Russian natural gas can be substituted from other suppliers, within existing quotas that weren't used to the maximum yet. 

But it's never wise to have things calculated too tightly, without reasonable margin. 

IMHO, nuclear power plants would be the solution. 

Not to digress. 

But what is on topic is that Putin can go **** himself and take his gas with him too. 

 

Ukraine is the bread basket. So Putin can also take his grains with him too. 

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1 minute ago, Helen of Annoy said:

No. The EU does not need UK gas. Nothing personal, simply no need. Norway is reliable supplier. Unless Norway explicitly wants one day to lower their quota for the EU.  

Algeria is already delivering more and they'll build infrastructure for more, for example. Same with Qatar and other suppliers. Total amount of Russian natural gas can be substituted from other suppliers, within existing quotas that weren't used to the maximum yet. 

IMHO, nuclear power plants would be the solution. 

Not to digress. 

But what is on topic is that Putin can go **** himself and take his gas with him too. 

 

Ukraine is the bread basket. So Putin can also take his grains with him too. 

It would be nice to have no need for Russian supplies but economic commentators are not so sure it would be painless. 

For example if Russia decided to shut off its oil to world markets it could cause a $200 a barrel oil price. 

Its about $100 a barrel at the moment.

 

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Shell Oil Exiting Russia, Withdraws From Multiple Joint Ventures.

Shell also plans on ending its involvement in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline project. It’s one of five companies that committed to providing financing and guarantees for up to 10 percent of the project’s 9.5 billion euro ($10.6 billion) total cost.

Shell plc is a British publicly traded multinational oil and gas company headquartered at Shell Centre in London.

Kwasi Kwarteng, the UK’s secretary of state for business, energy, and industrial strategy, welcomed the company’s decision. “Shell have made the right call to divest from Russia – including Sakhalin II. There is now a strong moral imperative on British companies to isolate Russia. This invasion must be a strategic failure for Putin,”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/shell-oil-exiting-russia-withdraws-from-multiple-joint-ventures_4309247.html

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1 hour ago, Myles said:

You shoot and kill a rabid dog.

But if he start farting nuclear when dying ? Will need a good plug to pull that off.

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Ukranian military recently captured a Russian TOS-1 Buratino.  The TOS-1 Buratino for those that dont know is classified as a heavy flame thrower, it's a MLRS that fires missiles with thermobaric warheads.  If Russia is bringing out TOS-1 they are getting desperate and resorting to terror to try and break the Ukranians.

Also heard rumors that due to heavy tank losses Russia has been forced to start bringing up T-72s out of long term storage.  These storage T-72s are generally older models that arent updated and will be of questionable reliability.  Only a rumor so far.

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21 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

It would be nice to have no need for Russian supplies but economic commentators are not so sure it would be painless. 

For example if Russia decided to shut off its oil to world markets it could cause a $200 a barrel oil price. 

Its about $100 a barrel at the moment.

 

There was no real reason for oil to be that expensive, when it hit 100, it's pure greed at work. There won't be any reason to hit 200, but it will, because hey, greed is good according to demons in human form. 

Maybe - now I'm hoping for too much - profiteering will be sanctioned too, at last. 

Most likely won't, so oil will hit 200 or 300. *shrugs* 

Let those who think Ukrainians defending their lives (and consequentially ours) is too expensive worry about that.  

What I can guarantee to anyone worried if their comfort might suffer is that not stopping Putin will take not just your profit, but your lives away. 

But since you want cynical argumentation, sure, let's be cynical. Few crappy years for reshuffling the world in war-like atmosphere and after that the rebuilding, the economic golden age. The world economy was due to a world war because the way it's structured it has to grow constantly, so you have to **** it up in order to have it rebuilt. 

Ew. 

Anyway, I've got nothing financially to lose :lol: Maybe it was a mistake to have so many people with so little to lose :) We can't be blackmailed into obedience by loss of standard of living. 

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10 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

 Presently Ukraine is weathering the attack very well.    Ukranian forces had destroyed 146 tanks and 706 APCs at last count, and plenty of other equipment besides.  Every BTR-80 APC has a crew of 3 and can hold 7 troops, which means casualties in the thousands right there.

I think the main reason why Kiev or any major cities have not fallen yet is because Ukrainian forces receive intelligence from the U.S. about Russian military moves. That provides them with the opportunity to prepare and defend much more efficiently. But even U.S. officials admit this cannot work indefinitly, as Russia is increasing the pressure by massing a lot more troops and military equipements around those cities. Ukrainian resistance will eventually collapse.

US officials fear the worst is yet to come for Kyiv

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/politics/us-kyiv-fears/index.html

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2 hours ago, kartikg said:

Will this not make EU economically weaker?

In the short term yes, but in the longer term it could make it stronger. Ukraine have a lot of unrealised economic potential.

2 hours ago, kartikg said:

Plus how will they handle switching currency

There is no requirement to switch currency when joining the EU. We still have our own currency.

2 hours ago, kartikg said:

and influx of immigrants?

The EU coped well when the other Eastern European countries joined, so this would probably be the same.

2 hours ago, kartikg said:

Does that mean that they are obligated to provide immediate defense support including troops to their new EU member.?

No they are not. The EU is not a millitary alliance. You might be thinking of NATO ?

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Seems the leader of Belarus is a massive liability.  During a meeting with his security council he had a map of Ukraine with Russian troop information.  More interesting though is the map suggest Russian troops will move into Transnistria.

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Nothing like your own ally giving away information publically.

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2 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I think the main reason why  Kiev or any major cities have not fallen yet is because Ukrainian forces receive intelligence from the U.S. about Russian military moves. That provides them with the opportunity to prepare and defend much more efficiently. But even U.S. officials admit this cannot work indefinitly, as Russia is increasing the pressure by massing a lot more troops and military equipements around those cities. Ukrainian resistance will eventually collapse.

US officials fear the worst is yet to come for Kyiv

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/politics/us-kyiv-fears/index.html

The worst probably is yet to come. 

Which means Putin will go down in history as even worse ******* than he managed to embarrass himself so far. 

The main reason why Kyiv won't fall is that Putin has no idea what he's doing.

Russian logistics is a joke. Their motives are genocidal and their men disoriented. The whole "plan" consisted of expecting everyone will flee from mighty Russians. 

Putin will throw everything he's got at Ukraine and lose. It will cost him everything.  

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Just now, DarkHunter said:

Seems the leader of Belarus is a massive liability.  During a meeting with his security council he had a map of Ukraine with Russian troop information.  More interesting though is the map suggest Russian troops will move into Transnistria.

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Nothing like your own ally giving away information publically.

With a little luck this might result in Lukashenko's fall. He is not exactly very popular at the moment, so failure in Ukraine might be the last straw.

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2 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Seems the leader of Belarus is a massive liability.  During a meeting with his security council he had a map of Ukraine with Russian troop information.  More interesting though is the map suggest Russian troops will move into Transnistria.

FMxqNHyX0AUqw2Z.thumb.jpeg.0435ea97b1f510de3101d8cd38ef5b32.jpeg

Nothing like your own ally giving away information publically.

Did it ever occur to you that this could be deliberately misleading? I mean, in a war deception can also be used as a weapon.

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