Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Helen of Annoy]

russian propagandist Olga Skabeyeva (not to search for the link now, it's the one that looks like a carp) said that russia should have nuked London during Queen's funeral. "Why don't we do that? They are all there now, gathered, why don't we swat them all at once?" 

(Referring obviously to the leaders of the civilized world.)

 

The rant (short one): 

This is why everyone sane who knows anything about putin and his zombies was pulling own hair in despair when various peace offers and appeasements were presented as possible. 

One of the main ingredients in putlerian ideological goulash is the West being defined as the Enemy. It's completely irrelevant what the West will do, it can only be the Enemy. (Appeasement wouldn't make russia declare you friends instead of enemies, appeasement only means the enemy is weak and russia must demand more from you. On top of being hated, you'd be despised too. It's much wiser to be respected if you're hated.)   

[Helen of Annoy]

Quick translation without link, I think you trust me by now that I'm not making up stuff which I post, it's not worth pulling the page through official machine translation: 

Putin should address the nation on television at 07:00 (Croatian time) - this is in 40 minutes. 

The address should be related to demands for referendums (in occupied Ukrainian areas). 

After putin, defense minister Shoygu should also address the public. 

 

Whatever this turns out to be about, it's going to be morbidly amusing. 

[Helen of Annoy]

Just 29 seconds. At 23, she's going to make you smile and you'll realize why Ukraine is invincible. 

 

[Helen of Annoy]

I don't think anyone sane does, but it doesn't hurt to make it very clear. 

 

[Helen of Annoy]

Just one more   

 

 

[Occult1]

25 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

The address should be related to demands for referendums (in occupied Ukrainian areas).

One more reason we shouldn't underestimate Putin. This is a really strong political counterattack against the West.

The U.S./NATO will be stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they keep leading Ukraine to attack the annexed territories, they risk a direct military confrontation with Russia.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

Unconfirmed reports that the Ukranian military has liberated Lyman.  If the rumors are correct the Ukranian military is clearing out the last pockets of Russian resistance.

[jmccr8]

2 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Funny how this has happened after Ukraine is advancing. Think a certain putler is worried he's going to lose the war.

Hi There

I think that in part Putin realizes that the solidarity of alliances with China and India did not gel as he had hoped it would. Both countries has criticized him over the invasion and not giving him the type of support he was counting on. He has his tail in a crack and is looking for a way out.

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

In challenge to West, Russia unfurls plan to annex swathes of Ukraine

''LONDON, Sept 20 (Reuters) - Russia on Tuesday gave support to plans by separatists which it backs in Ukraine to hold referendums paving the way for the annexation of swathes of additional territory, a direct challenge to the West that could sharply escalate the conflict.

After nearly seven months of war, including a critical battlefield defeat in northeastern Ukraine, Putin is pondering his next steps.

In what appeared to be choreographed requests, Russian-backed officials across 15% of Ukrainian territory - an area about the size of Hungary or Portugal - lined up to request referendums on joining Russia.''

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/medvedev-says-moscow-backed-separatists-must-hold-referendums-join-russia-2022-09-20/

 

The Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia region are set to join Russia.

Hi Occult

For it to be a fair referendum the civilians he relocated to Russia should be returned to the Ukraine to cast their vote as well. Also any Russians that moved into the region after the start of the conflict should be sent back to Russia as their vote would be a lie as they were never citizens of the Ukraine.

[+Razman]

10 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

One more reason we shouldn't underestimate Putin. This is a really strong political counterattack against the West.

The U.S./NATO will be stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they keep leading Ukraine to attack the annexed territories, they risk a direct military confrontation with Russia.

Putins a ****in mass murdering  tyrant

[Occult1]

8 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Occult

For it to be a fair referendum the civilians he relocated to Russia should be returned to the Ukraine to cast their vote as well. Also any Russians that moved into the region after the start of the conflict should be sent back to Russia as their vote would be a lie as they were never citizens of the Ukraine.

It doesn't matter as the results will not be recognized by Western countries no matter what they do. But it can serve as a strong deterrent.

Putin is bating the West into a direct military confrontation. We know the West will not take the bait, since the U.S./NATO are doing everything they can to avoid war with Russia.

They will have no choice but to back off the annexed territories.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Occult1

[jmccr8]

1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

It doesn't matter as the results will not be recognized by Western countries no matter what they do. But it can serve as a strong political deterrent.

Putin is bating the West into a direct military confrontation. We know the West will not take the bait, since the U.S./NATO are doing everything they can to avoid war with Russia.

They will have no choice but to back off the annexed territories.

Hi Occult

Putin started this war with a lie and you are right the referendum would not be acceptable for the very reasons I have not to mention how much of the Ukrainian population has been murdered where is their vote. The results would just be another lie if it was run by Russian government 

[+Razman]

1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

It doesn't matter as the results will not be recognized by Western countries no matter what they do. But it can serve as a strong deterrent.

Putin is bating the West into a direct military confrontation. We know the West will not take the bait, since the U.S./NATO are doing everything they can to avoid war with Russia.

They will have no choice but to back off the annexed territories.

Maybe its time for change , the world is a very broken place , in my opinion its hard to stay in the status quo like this anymore , its like an endless threat from all sides to all sides all the time.  but of course thats just my opinion.

 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

In approximately an hour to an hour and a half, if what is being talked about is accurate, Putin is to address the Russian people.  Speculation over what this is to be is all over the place from announcing general mobilization, to announce his stepping down, to announcing him removing Defense Minister Shoigu.  

Ultimately something is going to happen soon but no one knows what yet.

Anybody who thinks Putin is stepping down is smoking something strong.

[+Razman]

Just now, Nuclear Wessel said:

Anybody who thinks Putin is stepping down is smoking something strong.

I would highly doubt it , often when people get in power , they get heavily addicted to power, where they would rather be dead than lose it.

 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Just now, razman said:

I would highly doubt it , often when people get in power , they get heavily addicted to power, where they would rather be dead than lose it.

 

There is no way he would ever step down. It's just not his character at all.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

9 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

They will have no choice but to back off the annexed territories.

I mean, they do have a choice - they're not going to back off of the annexed territories. The US suspects that Crimea will be retaken within a year, and they have already attacked its air base. You really think Ukraine is going to let Russia have MORE of their territory by annexation? Pipe dream pipe dream pipe dream.

[Grey Area]

5 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

It doesn't matter as the results will not be recognized by Western countries no matter what they do. But it can serve as a strong deterrent.

Putin is bating the West into a direct military confrontation. We know the West will not take the bait, since the U.S./NATO are doing everything they can to avoid war with Russia.

They will have no choice but to back off the annexed territories.

This is weak logic.  Points to the desperation of Russia.  They are getting their asses handed to them so let’s add a political component to change the dynamic.

Long and short is that Putin wants Ukraine to put away its war winning weapons.

If he wanted a war with NATO he would have declared it already, and at this stage I don’t think anyone could argue the outcome of such a war, even a die hard Russia supporter couldn’t deny the outcome.

[Occult1]

3 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

There is no way he would ever step down. It's just not his character at all.

Especially since his approval rate in Russia is very high and most Russians are in favor of the 'Special Military Operation'.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

3 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

If he wanted a war with NATO he would have declared it already, 

Unless he wants them to make the first move so he can play victim. Maybe his "allies" would be more likely to support him then.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Nuclear Wessel

[Occult1]

5 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

This is weak logic.  Points to the desperation of Russia.  They are getting their asses handed to them so let’s add a political component to change the dynamic.

Long and short is that Putin wants Ukraine to put away its war winning weapons.

If he wanted a war with NATO he would have declared it already, and at this stage I don’t think anyone could argue the outcome of such a war, even a die hard Russia supporter couldn’t deny the outcome.

It could mean different things.

For one, it might signal that Putin is willing to end the war, as long as he gets to keep the Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia region.

For two, it's a warning that Russia will use all means necessary to defend these territories, so the West better take heed.

 

Ultimately it's an escalation, a political counter-attack and the U.S./NATO will have to reflect on it's next course of action.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Occult1

[Buzz_Light_Year]

They think Putin is going to announce mobilization.

 

Edited September 20, 2022 by Buzz_Light_Year

[AlonaLameDeer]

8 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

They think Putin is going to announce mobilization.

Side note, that's a bit dramatic, but smaller drops have been called crashes.

 

That or he's going to talk about the fact the Russia Stock Market just crashed.

Edited September 20, 2022 by AlonaLameDeer

[+Razman]

8 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Especially since his approval rate in Russia is very high and most Russians are in favor of the 'Special Military Operation'.

Yep ,  'Special Military Operation  = Invasion , Level cities, slaughter civilians , war crimes and god knows what else. 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

4 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

They think Putin is going to announce mobilization.

 

Russia Reportedly Preparing for Mobilization

Russian authorities are moving closer to announcing a general mobilization. The State Duma of the Russian Federation introduced the concepts of “mobilization,” “martial law,” and “wartime” into the Russian Criminal Code and imposed a penalty of up to 10 years in prison for voluntary surrender.

At plenary session held on Sept. 20, the Russian State Duma adopted amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation in the second and third readings. They proposed to increase liability for certain crimes against military service. New concepts have been introduced into the Criminal Code: “voluntary surrender,” “looting,” “mobilization,” “martial law” and “wartime.” The decision was taken unanimously. The parliamentary session was broadcast on the website of the Russian State Duma.

Source: Russia Reportedly Preparing for Mobilization - Kyiv Post - Ukraine's Global Voice