Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Black Red Devil]

Wow, this is powerful.

 

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Ukraine has no chance, 40km of tanks, arts, infantry trucks, and BMPs.

Kiev is going to get crushed soon.

And the world is watching, very closely.  This war, like all others, will end someday.  The opinion of the world against Putin and Russia will last FAR LONGER.

[Black Red Devil]

16 minutes ago, and then said:

And the world is watching, very closely.  This war, like all others, will end someday.  The opinion of the world against Putin and Russia will last FAR LONGER.

Whatever the outcome of the war, Putin is done on the world stage IMO.  He'll never live this down.  He might last a bit longer at home until the sanctions start crushing their livelihood.  I hope they get him before he flees.

Edited March 2, 2022 by Black Red Devil

[+Nuclear Wessel]

7 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

I hope they get him before he flees.

He does not intend to suffer the consequences, just keep that in mind.

[+susieice]

 

I quoted some. Read the article.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-holds-drills-nuclear-subs-land-based-missiles-83180974

MOSCOW -- Russian nuclear submarines sailed off for drills in the Barents Sea and mobile missile launchers roamed snow forests Tuesday in Siberia after President Vladimir Putin ordered his nation's nuclear forces put on high alert over tensions with the West over the invasion of Ukraine.

Russia's Northern Fleet said in a statement that several of its nuclear submarines were involved in exercises designed to “train maneuvering in stormy conditions.” It said several warships tasked with protecting northwest Russia's Kola Peninsula, where several naval bases are located, would join the maneuvers.

In the Irkutsk region of eastern Siberia, units of the Strategic Missile Forces dispersed Yars intercontinental ballistic missile launchers in forests to practice secret deployment, the Defense Ministry said in a statement.

Compared to the U.S., Russia relies more heavily on nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles, which are located in silos or mounted on mobile launchers. A change in their readiness status could be more difficult to spot and assess.

 

[Occult1]

57 minutes ago, and then said:

And the world is watching, very closely.  This war, like all others, will end someday.  The opinion of the world against Putin and Russia will last FAR LONGER.

Putin's terms to end the war is the the demilitarization of Ukraine and Western recognition of Russian sovereignty over the Crimean peninsula.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1646064410-kremlin-putin-tells-macron-crimea-recognition-is-key-to-end-war

[ExpandMyMind]

1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

Putin's terms to end the war is the the demilitarization of Ukraine and Western recognition of Russian sovereignty over the Crimean peninsula.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1646064410-kremlin-putin-tells-macron-crimea-recognition-is-key-to-end-war

Then he can get ****ed.

[Occult1]

18 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Then he can get ****ed.

I think demilitarization is the compromise Ukraine will have to make in order to maintain sovereignty. Or perhaps a policy of military neutrality.

Costa Rica, Iceland, Monaco are exemples of sovereign states without official armed forces.

Edited March 2, 2022 by Occult1

[F3SS]

I don't think so man. I can't say exactly how this ends but it's not going to end with Russia getting what they want. 

[+Nuclear Wessel]

17 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I think demilitarization is the compromise Ukraine will have to make in order to maintain sovereignty

Putin doesn't care about Ukraine being militarized except for that it is making his invasion a massive failure. He wants Ukraine. He wants the USSR.

[+Razman]

18 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

Putin doesn't care about Ukraine being militarized except for that it is making his invasion a massive failure. He wants Ukraine. He wants the USSR.

Yea but in effect , then he still ends up with those bordering will be Nato countries mostly.

[+joc]

On 2/28/2022 at 6:46 PM, and then said:

Some will say that if he takes Ukraine uncontested by NATO then he'd have no reason not to repeat the move against one or all of the Baltic states or Poland.  To them I'd say, he has watched his military struggle mightily against a single, non-NATO military that in no way approaches the level of lethality that NATO possesses.  Even if HE is that insane, his generals aren't.  

HE is not insane.  And his generals are not either.  And the important thing to remember is that the Ukraine is not part of NATO...NATO forces are not going to swoop in to Ukraine...they cannot and they will not.  

Article 6

Article 6 states that the treaty covers only member states' territories in Europe and North America, Turkey and islands in the North Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer, plus French Algeria. It was the opinion in August 1965 of the US State Department, the US Defense Department and the legal division of NATO that an attack on the U.S. state of Hawaii would not trigger the treaty, but an attack on the other 49 would.

It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all.

North Atlantic Treaty - Wikipedia

I don't think the Treaty covers a NATO country stepping into a fight with a Non-NATO country.  They would effectively be Declaring War on Russia without the possibility of help from the NATO Treaty.  They would be on their own.

The thought that Putin and the Russian Government had no plan after they invaded the Ukraine is ludicrous.  It doesn't matter to Putin if the world hates him...only that they Fear him.  There is more than one definition for 'respect'.  No one thinks highly of him right now...but they will 'respect' him in the future...like one 'respects' a Rattlesnake.

 

[+and-then]

52 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Putin's terms to end the war is the the demilitarization of Ukraine and Western recognition of Russian sovereignty over the Crimean peninsula.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1646064410-kremlin-putin-tells-macron-crimea-recognition-is-key-to-end-war

Ukraine is a SOVEREIGN NATION.  He has no standing to demand anything of another sovereign nation.  Giving him veto power over NATO or the EU would only whet his appetite.  I don't believe the world needs to fall into nuclear war because of what is happening in Ukraine but I DO think that Putin has played his last "friendly" hand of poker at the world's expense.  From this point forward, he needs to have every bluff called.

[+joc]

4 minutes ago, and then said:

Ukraine is a SOVEREIGN NATION.  He has no standing to demand anything of another sovereign nation.  Giving him veto power over NATO or the EU would only whet his appetite.  I don't believe the world needs to fall into nuclear war because of what is happening in Ukraine but I DO think that Putin has played his last "friendly" hand of poker at the world's expense.  From this point forward, he needs to have every bluff called.

Somehow I'm not seeing invading Ukraine as a bluff.  

[+and-then]

5 minutes ago, joc said:

There is more than one definition for 'respect'.  No one thinks highly of him right now...but they will 'respect' him in the future...like one 'respects' a Rattlesnake.

I disagree.  Before this conflict, he had that level of "respect" but going forward, every action he takes will be tainted by his war of aggression.  The bloodier his efforts in Ukraine, the less latitude he'll be given in the future.  He's using very thinly veiled threats to use nukes and a lot of people are waking up to the reality that if he wins with that strategy, he will only use it more often.  He and his generals need to really believe that doing this again will cost them more than they are willing to pay.

[+and-then]

1 minute ago, joc said:

Somehow I'm not seeing invading Ukraine as a bluff.  

I was referring to his potential use of nukes.  

[+joc]

1 minute ago, and then said:

I disagree.  Before this conflict, he had that level of "respect" but going forward, every action he takes will be tainted by his war of aggression.  The bloodier his efforts in Ukraine, the less latitude he'll be given in the future.  He's using very thinly veiled threats to use nukes and a lot of people are waking up to the reality that if he wins with that strategy, he will only use it more often.  He and his generals need to really believe that doing this again will cost them more than they are willing to pay.

I heard Joe Biden in his STOU address repeat the unfounded and, in my opinion, silly notion that Putin believed he could just waltz into the Ukraine without opposition.  He said that Putin had no idea that he would be greeted with the Ukrainian people.  I will ask the question:  Where did this nonsensical idea originate that Putin thought invading Ukraine would be a cake walk?   I think he is prepared to win...and apparently...putting his nation on High Nuclear Threat Alert to most seems a 'veiled threat' that he will use nukes to win Ukraine.  I also think that idea is ludicrous.  He doesn't need to use nukes to win the war against the Ukraine.   I think the message he is actually sending is, If anyone thinks they will be able to use nuclear weapons against Russia in this fight...forget it.  I don't think the world is going to forget that no one can win a Nuclear War.  Nor do I think that Putin believes he could actually instigate and win such a war. 

[F3SS]

12 minutes ago, joc said:

I think the message he is actually sending is, If anyone thinks they will be able to use nuclear weapons against Russia in this fight...forget it. 

Maybe he tries to spin it that way to his people but clearly he is threatening everybody else. It's not really open to interpretation. 

 

16 minutes ago, joc said:

silly notion that Putin believed he could just waltz into the Ukraine without opposition. 

I actually think thats pretty solid speculation. I don't think he ever intended to be embarrassed. George Washington and the continental army could give this military a run for its money. It's that bad and I don't think the young soldiers and conscripts have any desire to fulfill his soviet dreams. In any case, if he wins it'll be a phyrric victory of epic proportions. He's lost everything. 

[DarkHunter]

Large air assault on Karkiv during the night, seems to be the largest in the invasion so far.  Putin seems to be getting desperate, every other air assault has failed so far.  Not much information out of Kharkiv yet but during the air assault the Russian ground forces also attacked and the Ukranian military managed to capture 6 T-80 tanks.

[DarkHunter]

In an interesting development and a rather odd move the Russian military has attacked the Slovenian consulate in Kharkiv.  Slovenia is vowing there will be consequences.  

Slovenia is a NATO member and consulates are considered territory of the country the consulate belong to.  Not sure if Slovenia will try to call an Article 5 on this or not.  Attacking the consulate is just an odd move from Russia.

[Occult1]

Russia to host 'First International Antifascist Conference' to fight Nazism

''Russia on Tuesday announced plans to host what they are calling the First International Antifascist Congress in August. The intended goal is to "unite efforts of the international community in the fight against the ideology of Nazism, neo-Nazism in any form of its manifestation in the modern world."

The announcement was made by Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov made similar statements on Tuesday at the United Nations Human Rights Council meeting. As he began to speak, many other member nations' representatives left the room.''

https://thepostmillennial.com/russia-to-host-first-international-antifascist-conference-to-fight-nazism

Interesting.

Edited March 2, 2022 by Occult1

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, joc said:

He doesn't need to use nukes to win the war against the Ukraine

No, he doesn't but there's little doubt that his people BADLY underestimated the forces arrayed against them on this mission.  The fact is, he shouldn't have needed to use a threat like he did.  It will only strengthen the resolve of the west against his moves going forward.

[jmccr8]

42 minutes ago, and then said:

No, he doesn't but there's little doubt that his people BADLY underestimated the forces arrayed against them on this mission.  The fact is, he shouldn't have needed to use a threat like he did.  It will only strengthen the resolve of the west against his moves going forward.

Hi And Then

From what I have been seeing is that the Russian soldiers or a great many of them see their troups rolling out in the morning and being able to walk home without just being gunned down tells them that the Ukrainian people do not want to kill them either. I very much enjoy seeing the humor that their share while walking home or stranded without gas or knowing where they are.

I don't think Putin understands the people of his country and underestimated the Ukraine and that is his undoing.

[Occult1]

Russia's Airborne Troops Land In Kharkiv City: Ukraine's Army

''Russian airborne troops landed in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv on Wednesday, the Ukrainian army said, adding that there were immediate clashes.

"Russian airborne troops landed in Kharkiv... and attacked a local hospital," the army said in a statement on messaging app Telegram. "There is an ongoing fight between the invaders and the Ukrainians."

Kharkiv, a largely Russian-speaking city near the Russian border, has a population of around 1.4 million.''

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-war-russias-airborne-troops-land-in-kharkiv-city-ukraines-army-2798098

Looks like Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-largest city is about to be taken.

Edited March 2, 2022 by Occult1

[+susieice]

1 hour ago, DarkHunter said:

In an interesting development and a rather odd move the Russian military has attacked the Slovenian consulate in Kharkiv.  Slovenia is vowing there will be consequences.  

Slovenia is a NATO member and consulates are considered territory of the country the consulate belong to.  Not sure if Slovenia will try to call an Article 5 on this or not.  Attacking the consulate is just an odd move from Russia.

That is odd. In his speech tonight, Biden said he won't put troops into Ukraine, but Putin will not get one inch of a NATO country. He mentioned Poland and the Baltic countries. This makes me think if Putin wants to keep trying to up the old USSR, his next move will be against Moldova. unless he's challenging NATO.