Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Helen of Annoy]

[Occult1]

26 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Have you been following whats been happening? Ukraine are liberating territories on a daily basis wtf? Are you and cookie on the same drugs?

 

We are entering a new phase of the war, where Russia not only sees Ukraine has it's adversary on the battlefield but also the ''collective West''.

The Ukrainian counter-attack has the NATO signature all over it. The referendums in Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia is Putin's response.

Under ''full protection'', the territories annexed from Ukraine will be defended at all cost. It will no longer be possible to assist Ukraine without a triggering a war with Russia.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Occult1

[ThereWeAreThen]

1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

We are entering a new phase of the war, where Russia not only see Ukraine has it's adversary on the battlefield but also the ''collective West''.

The Ukrainian counter-attack has NATO signature all over it. The referendums in Donbass, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia is Putin's response.

Under ''full protection'', the territories annexed from Ukraine will be defended at all cost. It will no longer be possible to assist Ukraine without a triggering a war with Russia.

They've already said they're at war with the west and have done jack ****, Behave yourself.

[Helen of Annoy]

 

Which reminds me how Hitler left his army in Stalingrad without winter clothes.

I can only imagine billions of rubles being spent on winter gear for orcs, without single ushanka being sent. 

 

Also, the pipeline is definitely off line, being blown up and such  

While Poland-Norway pipeline was opened today. tee-hee

Edited September 27, 2022 by Helen of Annoy

[Occult1]

29 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

NATO didn't enter when Crimea was attacked. Ukraine has openly declared that Crimea is a target for liberation.

Also, sometimes giving pause and thinking about things gives you a fresh perspective. Maybe you could try it sometime.

My actual opinion? I don't think there will be "winners" in any traditional sense. I think both countries are going to be absolutely ****ed. More than they are now.

I'm glad you are moving on from fanatically supporting Ukraine to a more rational, careful perspective.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Occult1

[Grey Area]

2 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I don't think the use of a nuke would have much value in the sense of using it to target "strategic" locations, but I do think that it would be less about the damage it inflicts and more about the message it conveys. I suspect it would be more than one, if at all.

Spot on, it is the word ‘nuclear’ that would be the significant aspect.

It would also be that word that cements the name Russia as the A-hole of nations for 21st century.

For it to be effective it would need to be more than one.  However, the launch of multiple nukes, strategic or otherwise would likely trigger a retaliatory response.  I’m not sure a response would be nuclear, or immediate, but it would be a necessary response to a nation who’s aggression has to be stopped at any cost.  And Putin’s allies would dissolve into the background as no possible justification for such an act could be given.

[Helen of Annoy]

 

[+Hammerclaw]

Russia is in a similar situation the U.S. was in during the Vietnam War. There is no national will to fight and win a war when the nation is not attacked and the people do not feel threatened. Now, with mobilization, the Russian people feel attacked and assaulted by their own government. At last, they are having their typical indifference to despotic rule shaken for the first time in many years. Putin should be wary lest, in his stumblings around, he wakens the dragon.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[ThereWeAreThen]

15 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I'm glad you are moving on from fanatically supporting Ukraine to a more rational, careful perspective.

You're appauling you know that dont you? 

[Black Red Devil]

The use of nuclear weapons is a clear breach of international law.  The illegal annexation of land is a breach of international law.  The invasion and occupation of land, the evidence of mass graves, the constant bombardment of civilian areas etc. are all breaches of international law. 

Does anyone really believe Russia can thumb their noses at all this and things will go back to normal once Putin is satisfied enough with the land conquered?  LOL, you have to be really obtuse to believe there won't be eventual terminal consequences for Putin and his Govt.  The western world will NEVER allow all this to be swept under the carpet.  It's not a matter whether Ukraine is part of NATO or not, it's what western democracies stand for and what the UN is supposed to stand for and what the world expects from one of it's 5 privileged UN permanent members. 

Putin and Russia will NEVER be allowed to keep those territories and it might take months, it might take years, but Russians will suffer incrementally under Putin's regime and it won't get any better until he's deposed and once he's deposed he will be charged for war crimes.

Then there's always that possibility that none of this will eventuate because the world might go up in smoke because of a nuclear war Russia initiated.  That's on Putin, the Russian regime and the Russian populace, not on the west and NATO.  In which case, the world will be devastated but there will be nothing of Russia left including the families of members of the Russian elite who allowed this to happen by not taking down the despot (who's family will also suffer) before he triggered the temporary end to civilisation.  You see, EVERYONE suffers, including the ones responsible and the ones who align with the ones responsible.

 

Edited September 27, 2022 by Black Red Devil

[ThereWeAreThen]

 

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I agree - NATO will probably not risk a nuclear war against Russia if a tactical nuke or two is used in Ukraine. 

We are heading down a path where options will become few and very difficult to choose.  IF Putin uses a 5KT or so device in an airburst, fallout would be minimal but it could devastate troop formations or he could use it to destroy some critical infrastructure.  A retired U.S. general has said the likely response would be conventional but it would still mean Russia losing most of its Black Sea fleet and possibly their Crimean port facilities.  THEN WHAT?  

Putin would not back down in that situation.  Since he'd only use nukes because he CAN'T match the NATO support for Ukraine, his option would be to surrender or take it to the next level.  One way or another, he has painted himself into a corner with these threats and he's going to risk his own death if he fails to keep his threats.  We are approaching a decision point.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

6 minutes ago, and-then said:

We are heading down a path where options will become few and very difficult to choose.  IF Putin uses a 5KT or so device in an airburst, fallout would be minimal but it could devastate troop formations or he could use it to destroy some critical infrastructure.  A retired U.S. general has said the likely response would be conventional but it would still mean Russia losing most of its Black Sea fleet and possibly their Crimean port facilities.  THEN WHAT?  

Putin would not back down in that situation.  Since he'd only use nukes because he CAN'T match the NATO support for Ukraine, his option would be to surrender or take it to the next level.  One way or another, he has painted himself into a corner with these threats and he's going to risk his own death if he fails to keep his threats.  We are approaching a decision point.

I would bet my life savings that he would not surrender. He will have to be taken down by force. Just my $0.02

[ThereWeAreThen]

So what have we learned from this war? Putler lies through his teeth and cant be trusted, Russian military is very beatable conventionally and they're willing to commit appuling crimes against humanity.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

Occupied areas of Ukraine vote to join Russia in referendums branded a sham by the West

The Kremlin-installed governments of the four Moscow-occupied areas of Ukraine have begun declaring victories in the referendums after officials in Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, and Luhansk claimed that an overwhelming majority of residents said yes to joining Russia on Tuesday evening.

The referendums, which Russian President Vladimir Putin announced along with the partial mobilisation last Wednesday, have been blasted by the West as a sham, rigged to bolster Moscow's claims over the southern Ukrainian regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, and Donetsk and Luhansk in the east.

In Kherson, the Moscow-installed regional administration claimed that 87.05% of voters voted for joining Russia after counting all of the votes. In Zaporizhzhia, the figure was 93.11%, with 100% of votes tallied.

 The number of those who said yes to Russia in Luhansk reached 98% with all votes counted, according to the so-called Luhansk People's Republic authorities.

Sauce: Occupied areas of Ukraine vote to join Russia in referendums branded a sham by the West | Euronews

Seems kinda sus, there, Daddy Vladdy.

[ThereWeAreThen]

https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/27/baltic-pipe-norway-poland-gas-pipeline-opens-in-key-move-to-cut-dependency-on-russia

This is a good start to kicking russian oil and gas out of europe.

[Duke Wellington]

49 minutes ago, and-then said:

We are heading down a path where options will become few and very difficult to choose.  IF Putin uses a 5KT or so device in an airburst, fallout would be minimal but it could devastate troop formations or he could use it to destroy some critical infrastructure.  A retired U.S. general has said the likely response would be conventional but it would still mean Russia losing most of its Black Sea fleet and possibly their Crimean port facilities.  THEN WHAT?  

Putin would not back down in that situation.  Since he'd only use nukes because he CAN'T match the NATO support for Ukraine, his option would be to surrender or take it to the next level.  One way or another, he has painted himself into a corner with these threats and he's going to risk his own death if he fails to keep his threats.  We are approaching a decision point.

The US is not going to start WW3 by sinking the Russian Fleet.

I think the use of nukes would be something like 200 x 1KTs unless there are a large number of troops or equipment in one area. 200 x 1KTs would allow a large length of the Ukraine front line to be decimated. 

Nothing much is going to happen until Spring next year now anyway. Soon the ground will be too soggy. And the 99.5% of the 1 million conscripts not being immediately deployed to the front need training.

The US could give Ukraine its own nuclear deterrent violating the non-nuclear proliferation treaty, but following that Russia will give them to Iran, Syria, and Serbia.

To maintain its dominance the US led western world should simply have raised import tariffs on China. Or rather, not dismantled Trumps.

[ThereWeAreThen]

2 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The US is not going to start WW3 by sinking the Russian Fleet.

I think the use of nukes would be something like 200 x 1KTs unless there are a large number of troops or equipment in one area. 200 x 1KTs would allow a large length of the Ukraine front line to be decimated. 

Nothing much is going to happen until Spring next year now anyway. Soon the ground will be too soggy. And the 99.5% of the 1 million conscripts not being immediately deployed to the front need training.

The US could give Ukraine its own nuclear deterrent violating the non-nuclear proliferation treaty, but following that Russia will give them to Iran, Syria, and Serbia.

To maintain its dominance the US led western world should simply have raised import tariffs on China. Or rather, not dismantled Trumps.

You really think they'd use 200 nukes? Seriosuly? Good grief.

NATO would have to get involved Putler wont risk it.

[Duke Wellington]

Did the ex-communicated one reply?

[Occult1]

Explosions heard, power out in Ukrainian city of Kharkiv

''KHARKIV — Three explosions were heard, then electricity cut out on Tuesday in Ukraine’s second city of Kharkiv, a Reuters witness reported.

“There are no lights in some parts of the city. Information about casualties is being specified,” Kharkiv’s mayor, Ihor Terekhov, said in his Telegram channel. He also reported a fourth attack.

Terekhov said an infrastructure facility was hit and said authorities were working to restore power as quickly as possible.''

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/explosions-heard-power-out-in-ukrainian-city-of-kharkiv

[ThereWeAreThen]

4 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Did the ex-communicated one reply?

Awwwwh I'm still on ignore am I babes? 

[ThereWeAreThen]

So either Russian frontlines are a mess or Ukraine is advancing faster than we thought.

[Occult1]

28 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

 Russian military is very beatable conventionally

Wars are no longer fought conventionally so that's irrelevant.

[ThereWeAreThen]

1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

Wars are no longer fought conventionally so that's irrelevant.

If you think its irrelevant then its not. Since you've been wrong so many times on here. 

They're being beaten conventionally as we speak, im sorry that upsets you comrade.

[Occult1]

15 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

They're being beaten conventionally as we speak, im sorry that upsets you comrade.

They are fighting a hybrid war.

There is also nothing 'conventional' about the Ukrainian counter-attack. The Ukrainian armed forces are a NATO-trained proxy, using NATO weapons and intelligence.

Ukraine says it is fighting first 'hybrid war'

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60622977

 

Ukrainian officials drew on U.S. intelligence to plan counteroffensive – NYT

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/11/ukrainian-officials-drew-on-u-s-intelligence-to-plan-counteroffensive-nyt/

Edited September 27, 2022 by Occult1