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Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?


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21 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Wars are no longer fought conventionally so that's irrelevant.

What?..

All your base belong to me!

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5 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

They are fighting a hybrid war.

There is also nothing 'conventional' about the Ukrainian counter-attack. The Ukrainian armed forces are a NATO-trained proxy, using NATO weapons and intelligence.

Ukraine says it is fighting first 'hybrid war'

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60622977

 

Ukrainian officials drew on U.S. intelligence to plan counteroffensive – NYT

https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/11/ukrainian-officials-drew-on-u-s-intelligence-to-plan-counteroffensive-nyt/

Your propaganda is insane, the articles dont support your nonsense.

This is not a proxy war. Stop this BS, its NATO helping Ukraine fight off an Russian invasion. Given the fact that russia has lied continiously through this war I'm surprised you haven't given up.

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11 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

There is also nothing 'conventional' about the Ukrainian counter-attack. The Ukrainian armed forces are a NATO-trained proxy, using NATO weapons and intelligence.

 

Does that mean every time some Jihadist with a Kalashnikov slaughters civilians we can retaliate against Russia?

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34 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

Does that mean every time some Jihadist with a Kalashnikov slaughters civilians we can retaliate against Russia?

OR Russia is a Iranian proxy since they've got Iranian drones and missiles?

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Just saw a video that allegedly showed a Russian recruitment officer being shot by a civilian at a recruitment center in Ust-Limisk. I wish I could say that I felt bad but I really don't lol

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47 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

OR Russia is a Iranian proxy since they've got Iranian drones and missiles?

 

1 hour ago, Grey Area said:

Does that mean every time some Jihadist with a Kalashnikov slaughters civilians we can retaliate against Russia?

Hang on, by @Occult1's logic, isn't Russia now engaged in a proxy war with itself?

On account of all the Russian weapons their military has... donated... to Ukraine.

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As more information about the Russian referendum results come out the more ridiculous it becomes.

In Zaporizhzhia oblast they showed the amount of people who voted along with the percentage, it was approximately 40,000.  The population of Zaporizhzhia which Russia never captured is over 700,000 with the entire oblast having a population around 1.6 million people.

Not that votes matter as pictures of poll workers counting the votes shows them counting blank ballots.

The Russian government didnt even attempt to make the referendum look legitimate in any way what so ever.

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It's time for Russia to be kicked out of it's Permanent Member status at the UN, which gives it's privilege of vetoing General Assembly Resolutions and subsequently enforce worldwide sanctions on them.

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1 hour ago, Black Red Devil said:

It's time for Russia to be kicked out of it's Permanent Member status at the UN, which gives it's privilege of vetoing General Assembly Resolutions and subsequently enforce worldwide sanctions on them.

China would veto it no doubt

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6 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Russia will defend these territories at all cost and by all means necessary. I don't think Putin is bluffing.

A single tactical nuclear bomb - if it comes to that - would force the entire Kyiv government to surrender. Unless NATO responds, there is no way Ukraine can even hope to win.

Hi Occult

Not sure if you noticed or not but you aren’t scaring anyone with your pleading about how great Russia is. You should maybe try telling the Russians that their military how knee deep is sh!t they are in and that they are still in the shallow end of pool.

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2 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

OR Russia is a Iranian proxy since they've got Iranian drones and missiles?

Ukraine no longer has the means to fight this war. They are completely, utterly dependent on the U.S./NATO.

Without the military capabilities as provided by the U.S./NATO to defend against Russia, they would have capitulated in the first few weeks of the war.

 

''A proxy war occurs when a major power instigates or plays a major role in supporting and directing a party to a conflict but does only a small portion of the actual fighting itself.''

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/05/21/why-engage-in-proxy-war-a-states-perspective/

 

''In a proxy war, a country would be involved in the conflict by providing military support, but not actively participating, in combat.''

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/proxy-war-what-meaning-explained-russia-nato-supplying-ukraine-weapons-1595004

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16 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

LINK

It actually wasn't that much of a secret and there are plenty of links about it.  Rumsfeld's visit coincided with the turning point of the war between Iraq and Iran.

According to your link a US Company did send Biological Samples for medical research, not Chemicals but it certainly looks very bad I wasn’t aware of this.

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8 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine no longer has the means to fight this war. They are completely, utterly dependent on the U.S./NATO.

Without the military capabilities as provided by the U.S./NATO to defend against Russia, they would have capitulated in the first few weeks of the war.

 

''A proxy war occurs when a major power instigates or plays a major role in supporting and directing a party to a conflict but does only a small portion of the actual fighting itself.''

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/05/21/why-engage-in-proxy-war-a-states-perspective/

 

''In a proxy war, a country would be involved in the conflict by providing military support, but not actively participating, in combat.''

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/proxy-war-what-meaning-explained-russia-nato-supplying-ukraine-weapons-1595004

But Russia started this in 2014 by arming proxies in Eastern Ukraine and illegally annexing Crimea. So if it is a proxy war its Russias proxy war.

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1 hour ago, Black Red Devil said:

It's time for Russia to be kicked out of it's Permanent Member status at the UN, which gives it's privilege of vetoing General Assembly Resolutions and subsequently enforce worldwide sanctions on them.

i agree.

But that's not possible. They have a veto.

League of Nations, United Nations, we need a new world order.

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You know, a solution to the constant threats of Russia using a nuclear weapon is to allow Ukraine access to a nuclear weapon of their own that they can use only in the event of them getting nuked themselves first.

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8 hours ago, Occult1 said:

The rules have changed.

An attack on Donbass, Kherson, or Zaporizhzhia will be an attack on Russian territory.

Ukraine cannot ''destroy'' the Russian military or ''push them out'' of Ukraine without heavy U.S./NATO assistance.

But Putin has made it clear, if we keep doing that, and threaten the integrity of Russian territory they will use all means necessary to defend it, including nuke.

Considering that Ukraine has attacked Russian military targets inside of Russia and that Russia hasnt done anything does suggest that the rules havent really changed.  Then again if Ukraine is going to be invading Russian land they might as well enter actual Russian territory now, I'm sure Ukraine capturing Belgorod will look great on Russian media.

The Russian government can claim whatever land they want is Russian territory but the reality is the vast majority of the world does not recognize the land as Russian land and the Russian military doesnt currently have the ability to hold it.  Given how there is a mass exodus of draft age males fleeing Russia it seems the population doesnt really believe its Russian land either.  Should be pointed out when Russia invaded a lot of Ukranian males returned to Ukraine to fight.

Ukranian needing or not needing American or NATO assistance doesnt change the reality of the Russian military being destroyed and pushed out of Ukraine.  It is interesting you say that as its extremely close to the racist, which is odd as both are slavic nations, propaganda from Russia about how Ukranians are inherently inferior to Russians and cant defeat Russia.  Given that you constantly push Russian propaganda and misinformation its really not that surprising you push that Russian propaganda also.

Putin can threaten whatever he wants but the west cant back down now.  Doing so will show that land grabs can be done if one screams loud enough about using nuclear weapons and given Russian propaganda they arent going to stop at Ukraine with their expansion so might as well fight Russia now.  If the west doesn't fight Russia now we will just end up fighting them in a few years to a decade when Russia tries for another and grab, if the world is going to end in nuclear fire might as well have it happen now instead of later.

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11 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

You know, a solution to the constant threats of Russia using a nuclear weapon is to allow Ukraine access to a nuclear weapon of their own that they can use only in the event of them getting nuked themselves first.

I see your point yet can't agree.

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2 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

It's time for Russia to be kicked out of it's Permanent Member status at the UN, which gives it's privilege of vetoing General Assembly Resolutions and subsequently enforce worldwide sanctions on them.

Hi Black

Their membership should have been suspended the minute they invaded the Ukraine as it was built on bogus agendas.

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10 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

I see your point yet can't agree.

Better option would be for America and the UK to put Ukraine under their nuclear umbrella.  Since America and UK were both part of the Budapest memorandum it could be argued it's just an extension of securing Ukranian territorial integrity which both showed commitment to.

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2 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

It's time for Russia to be kicked out of it's Permanent Member status at the UN, which gives it's privilege of vetoing General Assembly Resolutions and subsequently enforce worldwide sanctions on them.

What would prevent China from using it's right to veto? Or should we kick out any country that does not agree with U.S.-led imperialism?

Chinese envoy says isolation and sanctions will lead to 'dead end' in meeting over Russia's referendums

https://www.reuters.com/world/chinese-envoy-says-isolation-sanctions-will-lead-dead-end-meeting-over-russias-2022-09-27/

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30 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Better option would be for America and the UK to put Ukraine under their nuclear umbrella.  Since America and UK were both part of the Budapest memorandum it could be argued it's just an extension of securing Ukranian territorial integrity which both showed commitment to.

Neutralization would solve that problem. Both the US/NATO and Russia would not need to fear a neutral Ukraine.

A non-aligned state does not need to be under any 'nuclear umbrella'.

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