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Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?


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1 minute ago, Occult1 said:

Seems Putin knows exactly what he's doing, which does not fit the definition of someone 'crazy'.

He knows he can hold on to those regions indefinitely, and the local population will not oppose him. In fact, a clear majority supports him.

I don't think that would have been the case elsewhere in Ukraine.

We don't know whether or not these results are genuine and there's also reports of people not voting, plus it doesn't take into account the people who are displaced.

Hold on to them? You realise Ukraine is liberating more and more territory each day whilst russia have been assaulting Bakhmut (spelling) for months.

So again, knowing we don't know whether to trust these results, you're showing your bias towards russia by using them as fact. 

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22 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

It`s wrong to jump to conclusions about the support for Russia in those territories, when all pro-Russian parties (which is in fact most opposition parties) were made illegal.

So you totally side-stepped the question.  Understandably of course because we all know the answer, and in knowing that answer we completely blow away and last whisps of democracy in this  lunacy.

And If the territories in question weren’t currently occupied by a force that has demonstrably been engaged in killing a civilian population that opposes their regime then your concerns may hold a tiny bit of validity.

Long and short, you cannot invade a country and then hold a referendum to control that territory politically.  A powerful enough country could conceivably conquer the world this way, if these were the rules we play by.

 

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10 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Seems Putin knows exactly what he's doing, which does not fit the definition of someone 'crazy'.

He knows he can hold on to those regions indefinitely, and the local population will not oppose him. In fact, a clear majority supports him.

I don't think that would have been the case elsewhere in Ukraine.

Putin cannot hold onto those territories indefinitely.  That is the reason he’s having to press in to service 300000 extra troops, and holding the referendums to (in his mind) legitimise the nuclear threat.

Before the invasion he could, but Ukraine now has the numbers and the equipment, it’s only a matter of time.

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Just now, Grey Area said:

Putin cannot hold onto those territories indefinitely.  That is the reason he’s having to press in to service 300000 extra troops, and holding the referendums to (in his mind) legitimise the nuclear threat.

Before the invasion he could, but Ukraine now has the numbers and the equipment, it’s only a matter of time.

Not to mention 1000s more ukranians are getting trained In uk/us and now eu.

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2 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Let us start by pointing out the obvious, divorce emotions from replies. That`s why the moderators have to keep telling everyone to calm down and be respectful to each other.

You are being an apologist for a nation arguably attempting genocide on its neighbor, who is threatening nuclear war if they dont get their way, and has broken just about every article of every Geneva convention and you want respect.

2 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Now I see a video of guards and some women. Where is the evidence people are being forced at gunpoint to vote a particular way? The video provides no evidence of that. Where has the International Courts ruled war crimes occurred? Ukraine makes claims, but they don`t have a good reputation for not lying.

An occupied people just happen to have armed guards of the occupying power, ones notorious for atrocities and outright brutality towards the civilian population none the less, and you want to pretend that wont influence the voting of civilians.

As for the ICJ seems there are quite a few calls for intervention on Russian genocide in Ukraine.

https://www.icj-cij.org/en/case/182

Of course any trials and guilty verdicts wouldnt really be till after the war is over but I'm guessing you know that and are using every tactic you can to be a Russian apologist.

2 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

France has publicly told them off for lying before. There has been a string of ridiculous claims like the Russians shelling their own nuclear power plant or running out of fuel outside Kiev. So, why should I believe Ukraine?

First off its Ukraine's nuclear power plant and not Russia's.  Secondly the impact craters show that the artillery that hit the nuclear power plant came from the Russian side but I guess you probably believe the Russian guide who was occuring a rocket that was launched at the facility somehow managed to do a 180 degree turn right before impact.

As for Russuan vehicles left behind after the failed assault of Kyiv I guess you are still ignoring the hundreds of vehicles that were abandoned with no fuel in them by the Russian military.

2 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Also, bearing in mind its Russia, isn`t it strange that Ukrainians seem to know so much about what goes on in their voting stations. Are they present? Is NATO present? So, we have wild claims from both, both of whom are enemies of Russia and don`t actually know what is going on. Please practice some critical thinking skills instead of being swept away by your emotions.

Considering the amount of partisian activity inside of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts it's not surprising they would know a lot about what's going on inside occupied territory.  

As for critical thinking you outright ignore any evidence that paints Russia in a bad light or shows the Russian military being defeated by the Ukranian military.

Also as of today who controls Mykolaiv and Odessa since you refuse to answer and what happened to your predicted Russian offensive.

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45 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

It`s wrong to jump to conclusions about the support for Russia in those territories, when all pro-Russian parties (which is in fact most opposition parties) were made illegal.

I guess you will just ignore the facts that these pro-Russian, actually traitorous parties as they sought to aid the Russian invaders, at most made up less than 20% of Ukraine and were mostly focused in Donetsk and Lunetsk oblasts.  Guess you will also ignore how Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts majority voted for the Servant of the People party and for Zelensky during the last elections in I believe 2019, years before the pro-Russian parties were banned.

But I guess inconvenient facts that sont help you be a Russian apologist just get ignored or waved away as being fake.

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2 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Let us start by pointing out the obvious, divorce emotions from replies.

Interactions in a thread about one country illegally occupying another, that country having committed warcrimes and is on the verge of annexing more territory is more than certainly going to have emotions involved. Your own responses to some of us certainly haven't been devoid of emotion, especially when there is a reply that strikes a particular nerve and you hollowly threaten to place them on ignore.

2 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

That`s why the moderators have to keep telling everyone to calm down and be respectful to each other.

Respect is earned. I don't have to respect you or your opinions - in fact, I simply don't. More often than not your prognostical musings are based on a significant misunderstanding of the many issues at hand. You try to appear more knowledgeable on subjects that you have no clue about, and you miss the mark significantly more than you hit it - when people point this out your only response is with a laughing emoji. Not worthy of respect imo.

Also who controls Odessa and Mykolaiv as of today and what happened to that massive Russian offensive that was suppose to capture both during the middle/end of summer.

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1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

It`s wrong to jump to conclusions about the support for Russia in those territories, when all pro-Russian parties (which is in fact most opposition parties) were made illegal.

If support for Russia is so great why are the Ukrainian people fighting so hard against Russia ?

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1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

It`s wrong to jump to conclusions about the support for Russia in those territories, when all anti-Putin parties (which is in fact most opposition parties) were made illegal.

Corrected for the rest of Russia ;)  

The fact is, hundreds of thousands of Russians are fleeing Russian to escape conscription.  Those in the occupied territories are being forced at gunpoint to join up to fight their comrades, their friends and families..  Conscripts from Russia who have not escaped have no training, no equipment and absolutely no desire to fight.  

Putin now has a huge army of people who do not support him and absolutely do not want to fight for  him.  I really don't know what his aim is, other than  to slaughter all working age Russian men.  

He could see a massve armed revolution when the army - innocents being killed for no cause but the desires of a meglomanic looney, whi has completely ****ed up  - turn against him

Putin is the Russian antichrist.  The greatest traitor that nation has ever seen.  And he will go down in history as such.   The murderer of Russians, the destroyer of Russia, the greatest Russian fool in history.   He cannot win, even if he kills 6 billion people in a muclear war.    His fate is inevitable.

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29 minutes ago, Essan said:

Corrected for the rest of Russia ;)  

The fact is, hundreds of thousands of Russians are fleeing Russian to escape conscription.  Those in the occupied territories are being forced at gunpoint to join up to fight their comrades, their friends and families..  Conscripts from Russia who have not escaped have no training, no equipment and absolutely no desire to fight.  

Putin now has a huge army of people who do not support him and absolutely do not want to fight for  him.  I really don't know what his aim is, other than  to slaughter all working age Russian men.  

He could see a massve armed revolution when the army - innocents being killed for no cause but the desires of a meglomanic looney, whi has completely ****ed up  - turn against him

Putin is the Russian antichrist.  The greatest traitor that nation has ever seen.  And he will go down in history as such.   The murderer of Russians, the destroyer of Russia, the greatest Russian fool in history.   He cannot win, even if he kills 6 billion people in a muclear war.    His fate is inevitable.

George W Bush did far worse and he's still alive. In fact, he's actually now a hero in the eyes of Democrats who once hated him.

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39 minutes ago, Essan said:

Putin now has a huge army of people who do not support him and absolutely do not want to fight for  him.  I really don't know what his aim is, other than  to slaughter all working age Russian men.  

Sounds like a good opportunity for them to go get him. Military coup.

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On 9/27/2022 at 4:52 PM, Helen of Annoy said:

 

They need it ecause they're s******g themselves ,just place it over a drain in the street haha .

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13 hours ago, acidhead said:

– A woman shows her ballot to journalists prior to voting in a referendum in Luhansk, Luhansk https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/world/ukrainians-scared-by-russias-preordained-referendums/

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When I vote in England I don't have to carry a passport or identification papers with me .

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3 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

putler can't have his land grab. 

Ukraine will destroy his orcs and no respectable country or organization will accept putler's "referendums" or legalize the genocide. 

Amen. 

He already has it.

Now the question is if Ukraine keep pushing will they get nuked?

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3 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

We don't know whether or not these results are genuine and there's also reports of people not voting, plus it doesn't take into account the people who are displaced.

Hold on to them? You realise Ukraine is liberating more and more territory each day whilst russia have been assaulting Bakhmut (spelling) for months.

So again, knowing we don't know whether to trust these results, you're showing your bias towards russia by using them as fact. 

Hi There

given that only 15% of the population voted in selective regions amounts to there was no referendum.

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10 hours ago, godnodog said:

They'll come up with some bs that the west was about to attack them and they found out about it so stricked (?) first.

 

The top "brass" in Russia are scared to say anything against Poo-tin because they have families to think of ,and people have an awful habit of falling out of windows ,or down stairs and killing themselves . Those that back Poo-tin are "yes" men who would be stripped of their good jobs and either disappear or end up in jail . Poo-tin has very effective Zombie Police force who do what he says .

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3 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi There

given that only 15% of the population voted in selective regions amounts to there was no referendum.

And considering Putin's past election actions in Russia , you could probably trust the Referendums about as far as you could throw them anyway.

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11 hours ago, godnodog said:

Absolutely no issue at all friend, but on this very specific case it's highly unlikely (IMO) that you will see direct report for western news outlets. This is bs from Russia

All I did was hit a like Cookie's post where he asked more than Twitter; and, all of sudden everyone is Oscar The Grouch.

He's received approximately 8,000 likes before.

 

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20 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi There

given that only 15% of the population voted in selective regions amounts to there was no referendum.

Where did you get that number? Do you have a source?

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3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Seems Putin knows exactly what he's doing, which does not fit the definition of someone 'crazy'.

He knows he can hold on to those regions indefinitely, and the local population will not oppose him. In fact, a clear majority supports him.

I don't think that would have been the case elsewhere in Ukraine.

Are you saying that the voters (20% of the population ) , who actually turned out to vote ,are a clear majority of the people in that area , If he only has 20% of the people backing him he won't hold on for long because the local population WILL oppose him and cause all kinds of problems using guerilla type tactics to get rid of him in their areas . 

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1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:
And they can end the war. Just **** off, back to your mordor.  

I think Putin is ending the war. The offensive operations appear to be over and done. The 300.000 reservists mobilized will serve to strenghten the defense of the territories annexed to Russia. Putin can now declare a victory, he has 'liberated' lands the size of Portugal. It will be up to the U.S/NATO if they want to pursue this war.

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7 minutes ago, spud the mackem said:

Are you saying that the voters (20% of the population ) , who actually turned out to vote ,are a clear majority of the people in that area , If he only has 20% of the people backing him he won't hold on for long because the local population WILL oppose him and cause all kinds of problems using guerilla type tactics to get rid of him in their areas . 

Where do you get the 20% number? Do you have any source?

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3 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

'liberated'

Not sure why you need to enclose that word in quotes, or even use it at all. It was no liberation, no matter how much you want to delude yourself.

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