Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[+Razman]

7 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I think Putin is ending the war. The offensive operations appear to be over and done. The 300.000 reservists mobilized will serve to strenghten the defense of the territories annexed to Russia. Putin can now declare a victory, he has 'liberated' lands the size of Portugal. It will be up to the U.S/NATO if they want to pursue this war.

I would say its as much up to Ukraine as well, i don't think Ukraine likes the idea of bull**** referendums and somebody illegally taking their land and killing and torturing their people.No more than the russian people want to be forced into a war they have no desire to fight in.

Edited September 29, 2022 by razman

[Occult1]

11 minutes ago, razman said:

I would say its as much up to Ukraine as well, i don't think Ukraine likes the idea of bull**** referndums and somebody illegally taking their land and killing and torturing their people.

Ukraine will not be able to retake those regions without extensive support from the US/NATO. It will be tempting to freeze the frontlines, as it's probably better to contain Russian forces to 15% of Ukraine than risking direct war.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

3 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine will not be able to retake those regions without extensive support from the US/NATO. It will be tempting to freeze the frontlines, as it's probably better to contain Russian forces to 15% of Ukraine than risking direct war.

That is why the Ukranian military has surrounded Lyman and will probably end up liberating it tomorrow.  I'm sure a couple thousand captured and killed Russian soldiers on the day of or the day after Putin tries to annex Ukranian territory wont make him look weak at all.

[jmccr8]

32 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Where did you get that number? Do you have a source?

Hi Occult

It has already been posted a couple of times in the last few pages, do you not read all of the posts in a thread that you actively post in?

[+Nuclear Wessel]

@Occult1 Earlier in the thread it was my understanding that you said that Russia's plan was to "liberate" (which is not a liberation at all) Donbas, but they have gone deeper into Ukraine and will attempt to annex Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

Do you think they needed "liberating", too? Neither of them is in the Donbas region.

Not going to let you avoid the question, by the way.

[jmccr8]

28 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

I think Putin is ending the war. The offensive operations appear to be over and done. The 300.000 reservists mobilized will serve to strenghten the defense of the territories annexed to Russia. Putin can now declare a victory, he has 'liberated' lands the size of Portugal. It will be up to the U.S/NATO if they want to pursue this war.

Hi Occult

Not likely as the area is still in conflict and as long as there are contested land disputes it is not going to end on Purim’s day so. His best option is to pull out of all Ukraine territories and prepare himself for war crimes trials.

[Trelane]

5 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Most ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians live in the southern and eastern regions.

Putin isn't crazy, he decided to annex the parts of Ukraine in which there are strong pro-russian sentiments.

In a sense, I think that's good news for Zelensky and the West: those are the only territories in Ukraine that Russia can realistically hold on to.

You can't just decide to annex territory that belongs to another country. 

What part of that do you not understand?

[+Razman]

54 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

His best option is to pull out of all Ukraine territories and prepare himself for war crimes trials.

[Likely Guy]

3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine will not be able to retake those regions without extensive support from the US/NATO.

And they are getting that.

3 hours ago, Occult1 said:

It will be tempting to freeze the frontlines, as it's probably better to contain Russian forces to 15% of Ukraine than risking direct war.

Let's face it, Russian 'forces' are as effective as a popcorn fart in a strong wind.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Likely Guy

[Occult1]

2 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Occult

Not likely as the area is still in conflict and as long as there are contested land disputes it is not going to end on Purim’s day so. His best option is to pull out of all Ukraine territories and prepare himself for war crimes trials.

The Syrian 'civil war' is still ongoing 10 years later. But the frontlines are largely frozen. The Ukrainian conflict will also likely remain unresolved. It's up to the U.S./NATO if it wants Ukraine to launch counter-attacks on the annexed territories. I don't think we will risk direct war. But Ukraine cannot on it's own successfully do so.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Occult1

[Likely Guy]

18 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

It's up to the U.S./NATO if it wants Ukraine to launch counter-attacks on the annexed territories. Ukraine cannot on it's own successfully do so.

Why not? They are willing to put warm bodies in harms way. Russia is not.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Likely Guy

[jmccr8]

44 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

The Syrian 'civil war' is still ongoing 10 years later. But the frontlines are largely frozen. The Ukrainian conflict will also likely remain unresolved. It's up to the U.S./NATO if it wants Ukraine to launch counter-attacks on the annexed territories. I don't think we will risk direct war. But Ukraine cannot on it's own successfully do so.

Hi Occult

The front lines stalled lol the Russians are losing ground daily and will continue to do so. The Russians ares poorly equipped to start with and winter is setting in. The Ukrainians are better trained and better supplied with weapons and winter clothing. They don’t have a reason to quit but do have the reasons and means to continue fighting for their land.

[+Hammerclaw]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

The Syrian 'civil war' is still ongoing 10 years later. But the frontlines are largely frozen. The Ukrainian conflict will also likely remain unresolved. It's up to the U.S./NATO if it wants Ukraine to launch counter-attacks on the annexed territories. I don't think we will risk direct war. But Ukraine cannot on it's own successfully do so.

Well, that's total bull****. They don't need permission to do anything within their internationally recognized borders, only the will and the means, of which they have plenty. The Ukrainians are fighting on home ground, whereas the Russians have no long-term capability to hold the territory they've seized, indefinitely, against a tenacious enemy. Nor is going nuclear a viable option.

Why Putin will soon have to choose between losing in Ukraine or using nuclear weapons (washingtonexaminer.com)

Edited September 30, 2022 by Hammerclaw

[Occult1]

1 hour ago, Likely Guy said:

Why not?

Ukraine have exhausted all their weaponry. They are completely dependant on the US./NATO for arms, ammunitions and intelligence. They don't have the capabilities to fight a war against Russia unless their Western sponsors provide it all for them. It's NATO that is pulling the strings.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Occult1

[+Razman]

2 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine have exhausted all their weaponry. They are completely dependant on the US./NATO for arms, ammunitions and intelligence. They don't have the capabilities to fight a war against Russia unless their allies provide it all for them.

Well they should have a right to purchase the equipment , just like any other country can. We'll just let them run up a tab.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

4 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine have exhausted all their weaponry. They are completely dependant on the US./NATO for arms, ammunitions and intelligence. They don't have the capabilities to fight a war against Russia unless their Western sponsors provide it all for them.

Well, I'm glad they're sponsoring them.

[Occult1]

2 minutes ago, razman said:

Well they should have a right to purchase the equipment , just like any other country can. We'll just let them run up a tab.

They don't have the money to purchase the equipment.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Occult1

[DarkHunter]

15 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

They don't have the money to purchase the equipment.

None of the allied nations in WW2 had the money to fight the war either, to be fair neither did the axis powers, but it's amazing what a war economy and loans can accomplish.

[+Razman]

20 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

They don't have the money to purchase the equipment.

Like i say , we just let em run a tab , they can pay it back later. Think of it as a loan.

Edited September 30, 2022 by razman

[Occult1]

Ukraine's public debt in 2022 may reach 86.2% of GDP - IMF

https://frontnews.eu/en/news/details/27911

The Ukraine is completely broke.

The country is being purchased by the U.S., IMF, World Bank and EU.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Occult1

[Duke Wellington]

5 hours ago, Occult1 said:

Where do you get the 20% number? Do you have any source?

CNN ran a story where they claimed it.

Which leads us to ask, how exactly did they run a poll in the new Russian territories?

[+Razman]

23 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Ukraine's public debt in 2022 may reach 86.2% of GDP - IMF

https://frontnews.eu/en/news/details/27911

The Ukraine is completely broke.

The country is being purchased by the U.S., IMF, World Bank and EU.

And? Lots of people with no money get loans , in fact , thats kind of the purpose of a loan.  If they had the areas back with the resources that Russian squatters took , they can eventually use that to pay it back.

Edited September 30, 2022 by razman

[Occult1]

Ukrainian military intelligence claims the risk of Russia using nuclear weapons is now 'very high,' report says

''The Ukrainian military isn't taking Vladimir Putin's nuclear threats lightly.

The Russian president last week in a brazen escalation of his war in Ukraine made a thinly-veiled threat of nuclear warfare, warning that "this is not a bluff."

Several intelligence experts have since said that the threat of nuclear war remains minimal, but Ukraine is sounding the alarm nonetheless. In an interview with The Guardian this week, Vadym Skibitsky, Ukraine's deputy intelligence chief, put the threat of Russia using a nuclear weapon against Ukraine at "very high."

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-military-intelligence-claims-risk-224802327.html

 

Some people here want us to believe that Putin is 'bluffing'.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Occult1

[Occult1]

19 minutes ago, razman said:

And? Lots of people with no money get loans , in fact , thats kind of the purpose of a loan.  If they had the areas back with the resources that Russian squatters took , they can eventually use that to pay it back.

Ukraine cannot repay it's outstanding loans and bonds. They are paying with their sovereignty, by subjecting themselves to the influence of foreign interests.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Occult1

[Occult1]

Kremlin says military campaign in Ukraine to continue at least until capture of all of Donetsk region

''MOSCOW, Sept 28 (Reuters) - The Kremlin said on Wednesday its "special military operation" in Ukraine must continue at least until the capture of all of east Ukraine's Donetsk region. 

In a call with reporters, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov noted that the self-styled Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) - a breakaway Russian-backed entity that has been fighting Ukrainian forces since 2014 - controls only part of the wider  territory which it claims."

Therefore it is necessary, as a minimum, to liberate the entire territory of the DPR,", he said.''

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-military-campaign-ukraine-continue-least-until-capture-all-donetsk-2022-09-28/

Edited September 30, 2022 by Occult1