Russia Masses Military Equipment Near Ukraine Borders: A Prologue to WWIII?

[Duke Wellington]

6 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

I Spartan Max hereby annex Donbas. 

Please use your full title with a name like that

I Spartacus Maximus the 2nd hereby annex Donbas lol.

[Black Red Devil]

26 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Why Vladimir Putin still has widespread support in Russia

''In fact, Russian public opinion polls have suggested an increase in Putin’s popularity after the invasion. Support for the war itself is not as high as Putin’s overall approval rating — but he can still count on majority support for the invasion. ''

https://theconversation.com/why-vladimir-putin-still-has-widespread-support-in-russia-189211

 

Why Russian Support for the War in Ukraine Hasn't Wavered

https://time.com/6208238/why-russian-support-for-the-war-in-ukraine-hasnt-wavered/

 

Where do you see Putin's support ''crumbling away'' day by day ? In fact, all the evidence suggest the contrary. His popularity and support has increased in Russia.

The more the West tries to apply pressure and 'isolate' Russia, the more Russians seem to rally around Putin.

Hundreds of thousands don't instantly decide to expatriate if they support the war.  Thousands don't internally protest if they support the war.  It's only been a couple of days since he made the announcement to turn this into a proper 'War' from a claimed 'Special Operation' and involve everyone in his crazy decision. 

As I said and you will see, his grip is crumbling away day by day and you should know better than to judge poll statistics in a country run by an authoritarian dictatorship who has lied about the reasons they invaded, the threats from the west and jails anyone who dares question his decisions.

[bmk1245]

So, Ukrainians 'attack russky territories', I assume nukes have been used... No? Hmmm..

[Occult1]

14 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

So, Ukrainians 'attack russky territories', I assume nukes have been used... No? Hmmm..

Russia's doctrine provides for nuclear first use in a conventional war when the country's 'very existence' is at risk.

[Trelane]

19 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

Russia's doctrine provides for nuclear first use in a conventional war when the country's 'very existence' is at risk.

Will Vladdy be so stupid as to let the nuclear genie out of the bottle? Probably not "dramatically," but the fact that Russia is losing the fight and the language is getting worse suggests a greater willingness to overtly raise the nuclear sword in the context of Ukraine. Nuclear threats were used as a general warning to NATO not to intervene directly in February. Now, outright nuclear threats are made against Ukraine. Because Russia is not under assault from NATO and the life of the Russian state is not in jeopardy, this is not a "escalate-to-deescalate" scenario as stated in the 2018 Nuclear Posture Review. Dmitry Medvedev's statement on September 28 sounded like an attempt to link the two despite the fact that it does not suit Russia's stated policy.

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Trelane

[Duke Wellington]

25 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Will Vladdy be so stupid as to let the nuclear genie out of the bottle? Probably not "dramatically," but the fact that Russia is losing the fight and the language is getting worse suggests a greater willingness to overtly raise the nuclear sword in the context of Ukraine. Nuclear threats were used as a general warning to NATO not to intervene directly in February. Now, outright nuclear threats are made against Ukraine. Because Russia is not under assault from NATO and the life of the Russian state is not in jeopardy, this is not a "escalate-to-deescalate" scenario as stated in the 2018 Nuclear Posture Review. Dmitry Medvedev's statement on September 28 sounded like an attempt to link the two despite the fact that it does not suit Russia's stated policy.

 

The USA version, which I always find funny, is to release footage off and talk about UFOs.

It`s a case of look at our secret weapons, oh yeah, you better be afraid!

[Occult1]

30 minutes ago, Trelane said:

 Because Russia is not under assault from NATO and the life of the Russian state is not in jeopardy, this is not a "escalate-to-deescalate" scenario as stated in the 2018 Nuclear Posture Review. Dmitry Medvedev's statement on September 28 sounded like an attempt to link the two despite the fact that it does not suit Russia's stated policy.

In 2020, Putin signed a decree, called “Basic Principles of State Policy of the Russian Federation on Nuclear Deterrence''. The document is Russia's latest nuclear deterrence principles:

''In June 2020, Putin signed a decree—the Basic Principles of the Russian Federation’s State Policy in the Domain of Nuclear Deterrence—that specifies two conditions under which Russia would use nuclear weapons. The first is unsurprising: “The Russian Federation retains the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear weapons and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and/or its allies…” But that sentence ends with an unusual statement: “… and also in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is put under threat” [emphasis added].''

https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/read-the-fine-print-russias-nuclear-weapon-use-policy/

Edited October 1, 2022 by Occult1

[Trelane]

9 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The USA version, which I always find funny, is to release footage off and talk about UFOs.

It`s a case of look at our secret weapons, oh yeah, you better be afraid!

Do you have the US policy or doctrine that states that? No, of course you don't, silly me.

Anyway, secret weapons? What secret weapons?

 

[Trelane]

10 minutes ago, Occult1 said:

In 2020, Putin signed a decree, called “Basic Principles of State Policy of the Russian Federation on Nuclear Deterrence''. The document is Russia's latest nuclear deterrence principles:

''In June 2020, Putin signed a decree—the Basic Principles of the Russian Federation’s State Policy in the Domain of Nuclear Deterrence—that specifies two conditions under which Russia would use nuclear weapons. The first is unsurprising: “The Russian Federation retains the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear weapons and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and/or its allies…” But that sentence ends with an unusual statement: “… and also in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is put under threat” [emphasis added].''

https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/read-the-fine-print-russias-nuclear-weapon-use-policy/

You do understand that the escalation model I attached is a compilation of what is provided in Russian foreign policy and doctrine.

Swing and a miss...

[Trelane]

Oh my, how embarrassing. let me guess, "one more step and we're launching!" Oh Vladdy boy, it's funny to see your military and regime crumble the way the USSR did. "It's like poetry, it rhymes". 

"Putin Suffers Most Humiliating Ukraine Defeat Yet"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-suffers-most-humiliating-ukraine-defeat-yet/ar-AA12r9Ox?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6a42201f10dc4da5bb6d8160df496a8a

"Moscow planned to celebrated the annexation of huge swathes of Eastern Ukraine Friday but Putin’s party was wrecked by a lightning counter-attack that may have trapped thousands of his men in a key city supposedly now part of Russia."

"Ukraine said earlier in the week they had made deep gains in the stronghold and were close to taking back the territory—despite the Russian president’s claims that the region now belonged to an enlarged Russia.'

"The humiliation for Moscow will continue to raise speculation that Putin could decide to lash out, in new, more brutal ways."

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

17 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The USA version, which I always find funny, is to release footage off and talk about UFOs.

It`s a case of look at our secret weapons, oh yeah, you better be afraid!

Speaking of secret weapons, you never answered me how you knew about the secret UK nuclear missile silos. I assume you simply forgot and will of course do it now ?

Otherwise some people might think that you made it up, but you wouldn't do something as dishonest as that would you ? 

[Duke Wellington]

Just now, Trelane said:

Oh my, how embarrassing. let me guess, "one more step and we're launching!" Oh Vladdy boy, it's funny to see your military and regime crumble the way the USSR did. "It's like poetry, it rhymes". 

"Putin Suffers Most Humiliating Ukraine Defeat Yet"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-suffers-most-humiliating-ukraine-defeat-yet/ar-AA12r9Ox?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6a42201f10dc4da5bb6d8160df496a8a

"Moscow planned to celebrated the annexation of huge swathes of Eastern Ukraine Friday but Putin’s party was wrecked by a lightning counter-attack that may have trapped thousands of his men in a key city supposedly now part of Russia."

"Ukraine said earlier in the week they had made deep gains in the stronghold and were close to taking back the territory—despite the Russian president’s claims that the region now belonged to an enlarged Russia.'

"The humiliation for Moscow will continue to raise speculation that Putin could decide to lash out, in new, more brutal ways."

Don`t laugh at them, its serious, it might result in tactical nukes being used.

The Russian tactics were good the 1st fortnight, then it went downhill fast. I don`t know what low IQ imbeciles have planned the war strategies but they have the nuclear button.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Occult1 said:

Russia's doctrine provides for nuclear first use in a conventional war when the country's 'very existence' is at risk.

You know an awful lot about Russian Doctrine bet it’s from memory. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

19 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Don`t laugh at them, its serious, it might result in tactical nukes being used.

The Russian tactics were good the 1st fortnight, then it went downhill fast. I don`t know what low IQ imbeciles have planned the war strategies but they have the nuclear button.

No need to be so concerned did you ever hear that old saying you get what you give. They are not the only ones with a Nuclear Button, that’s called a deterrent, the only low IQ imbecile who can order the use of Nukes is Vladimir Putin.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

25 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

Speaking of secret weapons, you never answered me how you knew about the secret UK nuclear missile silos. I assume you simply forgot and will of course do it now ?

Otherwise some people might think that you made it up, but you wouldn't do something as dishonest as that would you ? 

Either he made it up or released classified information all we can hope for is that he made it up. 

[Helen of Annoy]

(I'll drop by later.)

 

[Setton]

6 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

So since you made that proclaimation, if NATO were to help clear the terrorists would Russia intervene? 

Naturally. As you've seen in Syria, our forces are very capable of clearing poorly equipped and organised terrorists.

Unfortunately we seem to have mislaid a lot of our personnel at the moment...

[Trelane]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Don`t laugh at them, its serious, it might result in tactical nukes being used.

The Russian tactics were good the 1st fortnight, then it went downhill fast. I don`t know what low IQ imbeciles have planned the war strategies but they have the nuclear button.

I will laugh as I have since the first Russian tank was driven away by a Ukrainian farmer. Their tactical blunders have been noteworthy due to the historic nature of their failures. 

Vladdy isn't nearly as committed to total war as most would think. He threatens but does now know he is vastly outmatched and if he values his current status he won't commit to a nuclear strike. He understands fully that decision would have fatal consequences for him and his regime.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Trelane

[bmk1245]

While clown "tzar" from circus was throwing threats left and right, Ukrainians send another 530 russkys to hell, destroyed 16 tanks, 17 armored vehicles, 1 helicopter, 6 drones, etc

[godnodog]

4 hours ago, Occult1 said:

 

Fox news is a cancer in US media

[Helen of Annoy]

This explains a lot. Seriously. Decades of negative selection I keep waffling about. It's real in russia. Their soviet regime and then their never really reformed KGB kleptocrats, they systematically destroy or drive away anyone sane and intelligent. 

It actually does explain why is russian comical incompetence real and possible. 

 

[Helen of Annoy]

Orctoberfest  I won't post the meme, it's not sensitive enough, but... Orctoberfest  

[Helen of Annoy]

 

[Helen of Annoy]

 

Unofficially, Ukrainians are already in Lyman. 

 

[Helen of Annoy]

Straight from an orc's mouth, putin's russians are at holy war against the West 

ISIS, russian style. Drunken ISIS, if you will. 

Anyone still waffling about negotiating with that, is either equally evil as them, either too stupid to talk in public.